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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 23, 2017 9:59:51 GMT
What balance? An ISIS inspired terror attack in London. Deaths of civilians misplaced by ISIS. Air strikes against ISIS who hide in schools and hospitals.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Mar 23, 2017 10:04:58 GMT
Is that your first post on this thread? You are part of the problem. Why you feel the need to try and justify the actions of terrorists who decide to murder a mother on her way to pick her kids up from school, makes me question your mental health. Hopefully if we ever get a PM with a backbone who fucks these tossers off they'll send people like you with them. :)
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 23, 2017 10:38:08 GMT
I saw this and it made me ill, it is also worth noting that the people who challenged them were muslims who do not agree with the ideology The only people who challenged them were muslims. As a Nation we have have been brow beaten and threatened with a 'racism' tag, exclusion or redundancy if we even question anti-christian/British/Western practices. Political correctness driven by a noisy and aggressive minority. Extreme Islamic ideologies calling for violence and hate allowed a voice under the West's democracy and free speech values. The paradox is set. Western freedoms used by Arabic militants to try and end Western freedoms. It will never, ever stop until we alter our perception of what is happening and draw tougher lines in the sand. Hence the rise of the "far right" throughout Europe. People are finally realizing that we've been duped.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 23, 2017 10:55:30 GMT
The only people who challenged them were muslims. As a Nation we have have been brow beaten and threatened with a 'racism' tag, exclusion or redundancy if we even question anti-christian/British/Western practices. Political correctness driven by a noisy and aggressive minority. Extreme Islamic ideologies calling for violence and hate allowed a voice under the West's democracy and free speech values. The paradox is set. Western freedoms used by Arabic militants to try and end Western freedoms. It will never, ever stop until we alter our perception of what is happening and draw tougher lines in the sand. Hence the rise of the "far right" throughout Europe. People are finally realizing that we've been duped. Correct. But I'm not sure that it's even more far right people emerging, or people 'moving' towards the far right, it's more 'normal' centrist who are beginning to realise that their culture, values, history and future is being changed. In a negative way as far as they're concerned. The Liberal/Left/Democratic approach to multiculturalism is failing. Decades of having our hands tied by our own political correctness has lead us to an evermore fractured society. It's convenient for the Left to dismiss genuine concerns as alt-right, far right etc. A neat little negative and emotive pigeon hole to silence questions with. Much more difficult to explain why the 'normal' man and woman in the street is looking around and saying 'hang on, I'm not comfortable with this'. The Far right or extreme right isn't growing in France and Holland it's more moderates who are beginning to realise.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 23, 2017 11:30:30 GMT
Where are the liberals and anti fascist league now, will they be taking to the streets to protest and March like they do against trump or for open boarders. You bet they won't because it doesn't fit there narrative Yeah, strange how the Hope Not Hate and UAF mob are nowhere to see when there are anti-Western marches taking place. But then again, as well as it not suiting the agenda, that crowd is a bit more intimidating than a few fat EDL blokes in Lonsdale trainers.
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Post by serpico on Mar 23, 2017 11:44:27 GMT
nothing will change until we change our foreign policy, we need a commitment to non intervention and to implement a strict travel ban on certain regions for at least 5 years or until the threat subsides. The regional powers in the middle east can deal with ISIS, a group that only exists because we knocked out saddam in iraq then foolishly tried to do the same to Assad.
people need to remember, bin laden viewed western foreign policy as his most indispensable ally, without it young muslims would be uninterested in the cause, he carried out 9/11 because he desperately wanted the US to invade afghanistan and was delighted when we hit Iraq and saddam (a long time enemy of his) .. people seemed to forget that as we were attacking the like of Saddam, Gadaffi and Assad that these were the jihadis enemies in that region.
the reason western governments can't admit our foreign policy, on a number of levels, is akin to throwing petrol onto a fire is because they don't want to change it, despite our own intelligence agencies warning the likes of Blair he risked stoking islamic terror by going into Iraq.
so how to defeat terror groups ? we could start by not doing exactly what they want us to do ? the action for them is in the reaction, not the act itself.
in a nutshell, western governments have blundered and fucked up so badly post 9/11 that they've made the threat far far worse, there's really only one solution now, pack up, get out of the intervention business, come home and bring the draw bridge up on immigrants from a certain region, it;s either that or total capitulation and further attacks like yesterday and ultimately defeat.
There's been a real lack of understanding about this enemy, the understanding has been so lacking that we've ended up doing exactly what they wanted, had we done nothing after 9/11 we'd be in a better and safer position right now!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 12:18:02 GMT
Where are the liberals and anti fascist league now, will they be taking to the streets to protest and March like they do against trump or for open boarders. You bet they won't because it doesn't fit there narrative British born attacker Lets ban British born people living here
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 23, 2017 12:28:11 GMT
nothing will change until we change our foreign policy, we need a commitment to non intervention and to implement a strict travel ban on certain regions for at least 5 years or until the threat subsides. The regional powers in the middle east can deal with ISIS, a group that only exists because we knocked out saddam in iraq then foolishly tried to do the same to Assad. people need to remember, bin laden viewed western foreign policy as his most indispensable ally, without it young muslims would be uninterested in the cause, he carried out 9/11 because he desperately wanted the US to invade afghanistan and was delighted when we hit Iraq and saddam (a long time enemy of his) .. people seemed to forget that as we were attacking the like of Saddam, Gadaffi and Assad that these were the jihadis enemies in that region. the reason western governments can't admit our foreign policy, on a number of levels, is akin to throwing petrol onto a fire is because they don't want to change it, despite our own intelligence agencies warning the likes of Blair he risked stoking islamic terror by going into Iraq. so how to defeat terror groups ? we could start by not doing exactly what they want us to do ? the action for them is in the reaction, not the act itself. in a nutshell, western governments have blundered and fucked up so badly post 9/11 that they've made the threat far far worse, there's really only one solution now, pack up, get out of the intervention business, come home and bring the draw bridge up on immigrants from a certain region, it;s either that or total capitulation and further attacks like yesterday and ultimately defeat. There's been a real lack of understanding about this enemy, the understanding has been so lacking that we've ended up doing exactly what they wanted, had we done nothing after 9/11 we'd be in a better and safer position right now! The whole of the Middle East, Africa, Turkey or the main threat Pakistan ?
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 23, 2017 12:29:08 GMT
Where are the liberals and anti fascist league now, will they be taking to the streets to protest and March like they do against trump or for open boarders. You bet they won't because it doesn't fit there narrative British born attacker Lets ban British born people living here Or just deport them to their families country of origin simple.
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Post by flea79 on Mar 23, 2017 12:33:23 GMT
Where are the liberals and anti fascist league now, will they be taking to the streets to protest and March like they do against trump or for open boarders. You bet they won't because it doesn't fit there narrative British born attacker Lets ban British born people living here your quite correct, its nearly impossible to stop the hate being spread to these impressionable people who then take up arms, it can be found online and no doubt in certain places of worship, stopping immigration etc will have no effect
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 23, 2017 12:35:34 GMT
British born attacker Lets ban British born people living here your quite correct, its nearly impossible to stop the hate being spread to these impressionable people who then take up arms, it can be found online and no doubt in certain places of worship, stopping immigration etc will have no effect So we do nothing?
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Post by flea79 on Mar 23, 2017 12:37:44 GMT
your quite correct, its nearly impossible to stop the hate being spread to these impressionable people who then take up arms, it can be found online and no doubt in certain places of worship, stopping immigration etc will have no effect So we do nothing? all we can do is what we do already, monitor threats, try and police the internet and hope we can just disrupt them, it can never be stopped which saddens me I hear stories about radicalisation in prisons too, now that is easy, segregation and known trouble makers into solitary
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 12:40:22 GMT
British born attacker Lets ban British born people living here Or just deport them to their families country of origin simple. And when that country says sorry we're not taking them?
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 23, 2017 12:43:18 GMT
all we can do is what we do already, monitor threats, try and police the internet and hope we can just disrupt them, it can never be stopped which saddens me I hear stories about radicalisation in prisons too, now that is easy, segregation and known trouble makers into solitary Or eradicate known threats to our society.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Mar 23, 2017 12:50:15 GMT
Or just deport them to their families country of origin simple. And when that country says sorry we're not taking them? We simply put a ban on all people from the country in question. Once it starts affecting the rich & powerfulls ability to pop over to London with their fleet of supercars for the summer, they'll soon start taking their shit back.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 23, 2017 13:08:49 GMT
all we can do is what we do already, monitor threats, try and police the internet and hope we can just disrupt them, it can never be stopped which saddens me I hear stories about radicalisation in prisons too, now that is easy, segregation and known trouble makers into solitary Monitoring, trying to police the internet and hoping to disrupt is not all we can do though.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 23, 2017 13:10:32 GMT
Or just deport them to their families country of origin simple. And when that country says sorry we're not taking them? Stop their foreign aid.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 13:27:40 GMT
What you do is educate these people and make them realise that what they have been taught is wrong. Violence has no place in a modern world and if that doesn't work stand them up by a wall and shoot them^.
Seriously when a person has accepted a view of what is right or wrong most will carry that view until the day they die.
Western countries and their people have not got the stomach for a WAR with millions of losses on both sides to stamp out those that teach violence as part of a Religion.
Such a WAR would be futile as soon after those groups who could not get their own way would simply turn to violence again.
It is ingrained in the human DNA to resort to violence when all else has failed.
The reason we don't use violence every day is because of the consequences of doing so these terrorists are taught to fear no consequences.
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Post by bringmesunshine on Mar 23, 2017 13:29:32 GMT
British born attacker Lets ban British born people living here your quite correct, its nearly impossible to stop the hate being spread to these impressionable people who then take up arms, it can be found online and no doubt in certain places of worship, stopping immigration etc will have no effect I think you need a reality check, IMPRESSIONABLE people have one too many beers on a puff on a joint for the first time they don't commit mass murder in the name of ISIS, how ever you are right about one thing and that's that the root of the problem is at certain places of worship.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 23, 2017 13:30:24 GMT
Hence the rise of the "far right" throughout Europe. People are finally realizing that we've been duped. Correct. But I'm not sure that it's even more far right people emerging, or people 'moving' towards the far right, it's more 'normal' centrist who are beginning to realise that their culture, values, history and future is being changed. In a negative way as far as they're concerned. The Liberal/Left/Democratic approach to multiculturalism is failing. Decades of having our hands tied by our own political correctness has lead us to an evermore fractured society. It's convenient for the Left to dismiss genuine concerns as alt-right, far right etc. A neat little negative and emotive pigeon hole to silence questions with. Much more difficult to explain why the 'normal' man and woman in the street is looking around and saying 'hang on, I'm not comfortable with this'. The Far right or extreme right isn't growing in France and Holland it's more moderates who are beginning to realise. Spot on.
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Post by manmarking on Mar 23, 2017 13:34:14 GMT
nothing will change until we change our foreign policy, we need a commitment to non intervention and to implement a strict travel ban on certain regions for at least 5 years or until the threat subsides. The regional powers in the middle east can deal with ISIS, a group that only exists because we knocked out saddam in iraq then foolishly tried to do the same to Assad. people need to remember, bin laden viewed western foreign policy as his most indispensable ally, without it young muslims would be uninterested in the cause, he carried out 9/11 because he desperately wanted the US to invade afghanistan and was delighted when we hit Iraq and saddam (a long time enemy of his) .. people seemed to forget that as we were attacking the like of Saddam, Gadaffi and Assad that these were the jihadis enemies in that region. the reason western governments can't admit our foreign policy, on a number of levels, is akin to throwing petrol onto a fire is because they don't want to change it, despite our own intelligence agencies warning the likes of Blair he risked stoking islamic terror by going into Iraq. so how to defeat terror groups ? we could start by not doing exactly what they want us to do ? the action for them is in the reaction, not the act itself. in a nutshell, western governments have blundered and fucked up so badly post 9/11 that they've made the threat far far worse, there's really only one solution now, pack up, get out of the intervention business, come home and bring the draw bridge up on immigrants from a certain region, it;s either that or total capitulation and further attacks like yesterday and ultimately defeat. There's been a real lack of understanding about this enemy, the understanding has been so lacking that we've ended up doing exactly what they wanted, had we done nothing after 9/11 we'd be in a better and safer position right now! Oh do stop spewing your balanced views, mate. For fuck's sake have some respect. Can't you see the bedwetters are busy dreaming up unworkable solutions to stuff they don't understand?
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Post by flea79 on Mar 23, 2017 13:35:45 GMT
your quite correct, its nearly impossible to stop the hate being spread to these impressionable people who then take up arms, it can be found online and no doubt in certain places of worship, stopping immigration etc will have no effect I think you need a reality check, IMPRESSIONABLE people have one too many beers on a puff on a joint for the first time they don't commit mass murder in the name of ISIS, how ever you are right about one thing and that's that the root of the problem is at certain places of worship. My reasoning behind impressionable people is younger children with access to the internet who can be radicalised there has been many cases over the last few years, this isn't just Islamic radicalisation it can include things such as the suicide forums or even one vale fan But I take your point there is obviously a problem for them to think that it is normal or righteous behaviour!
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 23, 2017 13:48:22 GMT
British born attacker Lets ban British born people living here your quite correct, its nearly impossible to stop the hate being spread to these impressionable people who then take up arms, it can be found online and no doubt in certain places of worship, stopping immigration etc will have no effect What certain places are you talking about ?, Church, Chapel or do you mean Mosques !
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Mar 23, 2017 13:51:10 GMT
Yes, it truely is magnificent that people from ten different countries got mowed down by a Muslim.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 23, 2017 13:52:29 GMT
I think you need a reality check, IMPRESSIONABLE people have one too many beers on a puff on a joint for the first time they don't commit mass murder in the name of ISIS, how ever you are right about one thing and that's that the root of the problem is at certain places of worship. My reasoning behind impressionable people is younger children with access to the internet who can be radicalised there has been many cases over the last few years, this isn't just Islamic radicalisation it can include things such as the suicide forums or even one vale fan But I take your point there is obviously a problem for them to think that it is normal or righteous behaviour! So we could have radicalised Vale fans butchering innocent people because they don't support their views BULLSHIT.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 23, 2017 13:55:01 GMT
Yes, it truely is magnificent that people from ten different countries got mowed down by a Muslim. Not to worry he was a British born Muslim apparently that makes all the difference. gives a whole new meaning to made in Britain.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 23, 2017 13:58:15 GMT
Yes, it truely is magnificent that people from ten different countries got mowed down by a Muslim. Not to worry he was a British born Muslim apparently that makes all the difference. gives a whole new meaning to made in Britain. Where he was born mattered a lot to most people on this thread, until we found out he was British-born then it mattered little.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Mar 23, 2017 14:03:45 GMT
Not to worry he was a British born Muslim apparently that makes all the difference. gives a whole new meaning to made in Britain. Where he was born mattered a lot to most people on this thread, until we found out he was British-born then it mattered little. Would have made little difference if he was born in Iran or Pakistan as well, I'm sure...
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Mar 23, 2017 14:05:34 GMT
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 23, 2017 14:08:04 GMT
Not to worry he was a British born Muslim apparently that makes all the difference. gives a whole new meaning to made in Britain. Where he was born mattered a lot to most people on this thread, until we found out he was British-born then it mattered little. British born, British never, what matters most is that he is dead after killing and maiming other British and foreign nationals on his soil.
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