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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Mar 20, 2017 4:43:16 GMT
So we clearly need a midfielder of quality who can distribute accurately and quickly to get someone in behind Saido
But who?
Key transfer of the summer after Bruno.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 20, 2017 5:53:49 GMT
Gylfi Sigurdsson is exactly what we need. Never understood why Arsenal or Man.Utd haven't been in for him. Consistently good season after season.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 6:21:44 GMT
Those Egyptian guys that are on the summer transfer thread look decent, direct and love to hold / run with the ball. I'd try for those, wouldn't break the bank and would also help to settle Ramadan in.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Mar 20, 2017 6:32:28 GMT
Gylfi Sigurdsson is exactly what we need. Never understood why Arsenal or Man.Utd haven't been in for him. Consistently good season after season. Swear people forget he was at spurs for 2 years |
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Post by RichJonesy on Mar 20, 2017 6:42:06 GMT
Gylfi Sigurdsson is exactly what we need. Never understood why Arsenal or Man.Utd haven't been in for him. Consistently good season after season. Swear people forget he was at spurs for 2 years I know and he hardly set the place on fire there. Still I'd go for him though but reckon it'd take a huge amount for Swansea to sell him. |
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Post by RichJonesy on Mar 20, 2017 6:42:26 GMT
Fabian Delph
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 20, 2017 8:04:34 GMT
I still think a holding/defensive midfielder (with good distribution) to replace Whelan/Cameron should be our priority. Sigurdsson is a specialist attacking midfielder and Delph is primarily a central midfielder whose secondary position is as a defensive midfielder.
Sigurddson would be excellent in the centre (no 10) position behind the striker. But we would still need a Whelan/Cameron replacement to partner Allen in a midfield 2 behind the no 10.
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Post by alster on Mar 20, 2017 8:20:33 GMT
I still think a holding/defensive midfielder (with good distribution) to replace Whelan/Cameron should be our priority. Sigurdsson is a specialist attacking midfielder and Delph is primarily a central midfielder whose secondary position is as a defensive midfielder. Sigurddson would be excellent in the centre (no 10) position behind the striker. But we would still need a Whelan/Cameron replacement to partner Allen in a midfield 2 behind the no 10. I don't think we need a No10 either a combination of Shaq, Arnie and Ramadan can supply Berahino with the balls he needs. Cameron"s energy and athleticism has been a revelation compared to Whelan or Adam but he's still pretty bloody awful with the ball. We need a player who brings that athleticism and physical presence but better at finding the players that can hurt our opponents. Doesn't need to be flash or penetrative just safe progressive distribution. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 20, 2017 8:41:38 GMT
Gylfi Sigurdsson is exactly what we need. Never understood why Arsenal or Man.Utd haven't been in for him. Consistently good season after season. Swear people forget he was at spurs for 2 years I haven't forgotten, Cast, but I heard recently there were extenuating circumstances for him not breaking through at Tottenham. I doubt we could get him anyway, but a player of his type is what we really need. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 20, 2017 8:45:06 GMT
I still think a holding/defensive midfielder (with good distribution) to replace Whelan/Cameron should be our priority. Sigurdsson is a specialist attacking midfielder and Delph is primarily a central midfielder whose secondary position is as a defensive midfielder. Sigurddson would be excellent in the centre (no 10) position behind the striker. But we would still need a Whelan/Cameron replacement to partner Allen in a midfield 2 behind the no 10. I don't think we need a No10 either a combination of Shaq, Arnie and Ramadan can supply Berahino with the balls he needs. Cameron"s energy and athleticism has been a revelation compared to Whelan or Adam but he's still pretty bloody awful with the ball. We need a player who brings that athleticism and physical presence but better at finding the players that can hurt our opponents. Doesn't need to be flash or penetrative just safe progressive distribution. Whatever happened to that Lemina we were looking at? He looked the business. |
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Post by thegift on Mar 20, 2017 8:46:20 GMT
I can't understand why we could not play Affa and Bojan for creativity. Both of them would work very well together and create the most in our entire midfield. One is on loan, one can't start a game.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 20, 2017 8:52:47 GMT
Afellay and Ireland would both be creative players in midfield given license and fitness to be so. Equally, a trio of Arnie, Shaq and Sobhi behind any centre forwards, you would think, couldn't fail to create chances for a front man capable of making intelligent runs.
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Post by thegift on Mar 20, 2017 8:54:55 GMT
Afellay and Ireland would both be creative players in midfield given license and fitness to be so. Equally, a trio of Arnie, Shaq and Sobhi behind any centre forwards, you would think, couldn't fail to create chances for a front man capable of making intelligent runs. yet hughes still insists with whelan, adam, or anyone else who turns as quickly as the titanic |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 20, 2017 9:02:46 GMT
Afellay and Ireland would both be creative players in midfield given license and fitness to be so. Equally, a trio of Arnie, Shaq and Sobhi behind any centre forwards, you would think, couldn't fail to create chances for a front man capable of making intelligent runs. yet hughes still insists with whelan, adam, or anyone else who turns as quickly as the titanic He doesn't really though does he? He currently insists on Cameron and Allen who have great athleticism but all the creativity and vision of Jeremy Corbin. |
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Mar 20, 2017 9:10:42 GMT
Shaq needs to play at no10 (when bloody fit). We then need someone as athletic/strong as cameron......but who can pass. Ramadan/Shaq/Arnie with Berahino (yet to be convinced...may need preseason to get 100% up to speed), then Allen with upgrade midfielder, then new rb and lb and cb then we're good to go.
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Post by alster on Mar 20, 2017 9:15:32 GMT
I don't think we need a No10 either a combination of Shaq, Arnie and Ramadan can supply Berahino with the balls he needs. Cameron"s energy and athleticism has been a revelation compared to Whelan or Adam but he's still pretty bloody awful with the ball. We need a player who brings that athleticism and physical presence but better at finding the players that can hurt our opponents. Doesn't need to be flash or penetrative just safe progressive distribution. Whatever happened to that Lemina we were looking at? He looked the business. He was imo another gamble with a big fee and contract attached. I'm thinking you could try 4 or 5 Fofana's for 1 Lamina and knowing next to nothing about either player I'd much prefer to spread the risk. Suppose the Imbula deal has put me off big money punts from abroad. If I was going to spend a bigish fee I'd prefer the type of deal Everton did for Lookman a player you have watched a lot in the right sort of intensity of football and really done your homework on. |
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Post by alster on Mar 20, 2017 9:23:21 GMT
Afellay and Ireland would both be creative players in midfield given license and fitness to be so. Equally, a trio of Arnie, Shaq and Sobhi behind any centre forwards, you would think, couldn't fail to create chances for a front man capable of making intelligent runs. On the evidence I've seen since his return from injury I wouldn't want to see Affelay in that role. He's not releasing the ball quickly even when he has good options. He's made himself look very tidy in keeping possession but quite a few moments stand out in my mind where he's failed to play players in who have taken up dangerous positions. From the point of view of team play and end product I think he's flattering to deceive. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 20, 2017 9:44:29 GMT
If we're playing a midfield 2, Allen and Cameron are pretty much the only option on the books at the moment. --------Cameron/Whelan upgrade ????????-----------Allen ---------------- ????????????------------------Berahino But, looking to next season, what player types are we looking for to: a.) play slightly behind Allen? A better Whelan with some positional discipline who can play the holding role in a 4-2-3-1? Or a Cameron-y upgrade with some athleticism and mobility who can play in a 2? b.) play in front of Allen as the bridge to Berahino and play to his strengths? Can that player be Shaqiri as a floaty, No.10 type? Can it be Sobhi? Or will it be more of a hard-working, physical Walters-y type forward in and around Berahino? downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/100825/aaron-mooy?page=53An interesting player who could be available is Mooy at Huddersfield (on loan from Man City and he isn't going to make it there) But Hughes has got to decide what he's after before we really know what we're looking for. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 20, 2017 9:46:11 GMT
Whatever happened to that Lemina we were looking at? He looked the business. He was imo another gamble with a big fee and contract attached. I'm thinking you could try 4 or 5 Fofana's for 1 Lamina and knowing next to nothing about either player I'd much prefer to spread the risk. Suppose the Imbula deal has put me off big money punts from abroad. If I was going to spend a bigish fee I'd prefer the type of deal Everton did for Lookman a player you have watched a lot in the right sort of intensity of football and really done your homework on. I liked the look of Fofana, too. |
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Post by alster on Mar 20, 2017 9:53:01 GMT
If we're playing a midfield 2, Allen and Cameron are pretty much the only option on the books at the moment. --------Cameron/Whelan upgrade ????????-----------Allen ---------------- ????????????------------------Berahino But, looking to next season, what player types are we looking for to: a.) play slightly behind Allen? A better Whelan with some positional discipline who can play the holding role in a 4-2-3-1? Or a Cameron-y upgrade with some athleticism and mobility who can play in a 2? b.) play in front of Allen as the bridge to Berahino and play to his strengths? Can that player be Shaqiri as a floaty, No.10 type? Can it be Sobhi? Or will it be more of a hard-working, physical Walters-y type forward in and around Berahino? downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/100825/aaron-mooy?page=53An interesting player who could be available is Mooy at Huddersfield (on loan from Man City and he isn't going to make it there) But Hughes has got to decide what he's after before we really know what we're looking for. Longer term maybe it could be Sobhi he has the tools for the job don't think his awareness is ready for it yet he's better off with players coming in the main from one side of him |
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Post by thegift on Mar 20, 2017 10:19:10 GMT
yet hughes still insists with whelan, adam, or anyone else who turns as quickly as the titanic He doesn't really though does he? He currently insists on Cameron and Allen who have great athleticism but all the creativity and vision of Jeremy Corbin. only for the last 2 games |
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Post by RichJonesy on Mar 20, 2017 10:19:33 GMT
I still think a holding/defensive midfielder (with good distribution) to replace Whelan/Cameron should be our priority. Sigurdsson is a specialist attacking midfielder and Delph is primarily a central midfielder whose secondary position is as a defensive midfielder. Sigurddson would be excellent in the centre (no 10) position behind the striker. But we would still need a Whelan/Cameron replacement to partner Allen in a midfield 2 behind the no 10. I'll get slated but we should look at Lucas from Liverpool to do the dm job. He knows the role inside out, is good at playing there and (I think) his contract runs out this summer. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 20, 2017 11:40:47 GMT
He doesn't really though does he? He currently insists on Cameron and Allen who have great athleticism but all the creativity and vision of Jeremy Corbin. only for the last 2 games Exactly...proof that Hughes doesn't insist on any player or combination of players given that both Whelan and Adam are fit, available for selection, yet find themselves on the bench. |
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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 20, 2017 11:48:09 GMT
Abdelhak Nouri at Ajax
He's your man
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Post by Onneravineet on Mar 20, 2017 11:51:37 GMT
This is the player we need. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 15:45:40 GMT
Abdelhak Nouri at Ajax He's your man I watched Ajax the other week. The standard was utterly dreadful! That winger, Younes(?) played well though. |
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Post by cooper67 on Mar 20, 2017 16:13:28 GMT
This is the player we need. Exactly. Buy him them lock him in a room with DVD's of how Kante and Gueye play. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 16:27:25 GMT
Need a deep midfielder in the Cameron mould who, first and foremost, has some pace and discipline, but can pass. With Allen next to him, and 4 from Shaq/Arnie/Ramadan/Bojan/Berahino/Afellay/Diouf/Walters/N'Goy, it looks good.
Allen and the new defensive midfielder to do the dirty work, and leave the front four to create the goals.
It is the single biggest issue we have in the team, trying to find a pacey midfielder who will sit.
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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 20, 2017 19:09:02 GMT
Abdelhak Nouri at Ajax He's your man I watched Ajax the other week. The standard was utterly dreadful! That winger, Younes(?) played well though. Younes is a one trick pony fella.... he will beat his man , turn back then do it all again. His delivery is good but that's when he's more direct. More often than not he does all the hard work then goes and undo's it all with unnecessary showboating. Nouri picks a pass out of nothing- seriously! He's played quite a few Europa League games and been the stand out player every time, The coach Peter Bos hardly plays him and the die hard Ajax fans are starting to get seriously pissed off. Same goes with Donny van de Beek- cracking player who gets very little game time. I'll look back on this thread when he goes for mega bucks and think " another slips through our fingers" |
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Post by Miles Offside on Mar 20, 2017 19:42:51 GMT
Agree that we do need more creativity in central midfield.
But first things first, Hughes needs to decide his formation for next season and buy players to fit it.
If he's sticking with the 4-4-2, he'll need a different type of midfielder than if he goes back to his favoured 4-2-3-1.
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