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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 26, 2017 7:59:21 GMT
Do people actually believe that? No because if Imbula goes too which is likely, how can he be trusted to spend money? That's way worse than Crouch and Palacios. Crouch was a very good buy. It got Tone sacked so there is that. I like Crouchy but it signalled the beginning of the end for Tone.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 26, 2017 8:15:58 GMT
Crouch was a very good buy. It got Tone sacked so there is that. I like Crouchy but it signalled the beginning of the end for Tone. It was the unsustainable losses and fall in Season Tickets that did for TP, Hughes has helped to move Stoke into breakeven \ profit. I'd keep Shaqiri, £12m is nothing nowadays you pay almost that for the likes of Rhodes, Hogan, Hendrick from the championship.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 26, 2017 8:19:34 GMT
It got Tone sacked so there is that. I like Crouchy but it signalled the beginning of the end for Tone. It was the unsustainable losses and fall in Season Tickets that did for TP, Hughes has helped to move Stoke into breakeven \ profit. I'd keep Shaqiri, £12m is nothing nowadays you pay almost that for the likes of Rhodes, Hogan, Hendrick from the championship. Indeed and that started with getting Crouch and the move to slow football. Which sounds familiar. You can't use breaking even as an argument and then saying 12m is nothing. It's a lot of money to waste for a club like Stoke.
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Post by timbo1988 on Mar 26, 2017 8:24:50 GMT
We Would get at least 12m back for Shaqiri so I don't think Coates would see that as a problem if we sold him however Imbula we would lose £10m + which would be seen as a big issue. Imbula needs to be played to get some value on him if Hughes wants to sell or to play him into some form. We can't make europe and can't go down so why not give him the rest of the season as a starter.
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Post by RichJonesy on Mar 26, 2017 8:34:43 GMT
He just tried a Catflinger Please excuse my ignorance but what the hell is a catflinger?
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 26, 2017 8:55:11 GMT
It was the unsustainable losses and fall in Season Tickets that did for TP, Hughes has helped to move Stoke into breakeven \ profit. I'd keep Shaqiri, £12m is nothing nowadays you pay almost that for the likes of Rhodes, Hogan, Hendrick from the championship. Indeed and that started with getting Crouch and the move to slow football. Which sounds familiar. You can't use breaking even as an argument and then saying 12m is nothing. It's a lot of money to waste for a club like Stoke. Who says we've wasted it, Shaqiri just seems to be the current surrogate for many of the Hughes out brigade. Players got injured some break legs or ankles some pick up injuries like Shaqiri. I see no reason if we choose to sell Shaqiri that we wouldn't recoup the majority of the fee, personally I hope we don't. Just as a comparison Villa will potentially pay £15m for Jonathan Kodjia which is only £2m less than we've paid for Shaqiri and Ramadan, we're not going to get signings like Marko for a couple of million now.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 26, 2017 8:57:40 GMT
Indeed and that started with getting Crouch and the move to slow football. Which sounds familiar. You can't use breaking even as an argument and then saying 12m is nothing. It's a lot of money to waste for a club like Stoke. Who says we've wasted it, Shaqiri just seems to be the current surrogate for many of the Hughes out brigade. Players got injured some break legs or ankles some pick up injuries like Shaqiri. I see no reason if we choose to sell Shaqiri that we wouldn't recoup the majority of the fee, personally I hope we don't. Just as a comparison Villa will potentially pay £15m for Jonathan Kodjia which is only £2m less than we've paid for Shaqiri and Ramadan, we're not going to get signings like Marko for a couple of million now. Why aren't we? And no he's not, he's another expensive signing that might be jettisoned after a short time. If TP had done this he'd be slaughtered. So should Hughed. It's really poor management.
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Post by elystokie on Mar 26, 2017 8:59:49 GMT
Regardless of whether he, or any of the others, stay or go, we'd be a laughing stock if we sacked a manager that's achieved 3 top ten finishes on the bounce, I could be wrong but isn't it the only time in our 'illustrious' history we've managed it?
Where are all those 'Charlton' doom mongers now?
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Post by toppercorner on Mar 26, 2017 9:01:23 GMT
we should def keep him, we're far more balanced with him in the team. This injury, could it possibly be one of those special 'Saido' injuries?
and just for the record, i haven't heard anything from anyone, it's totally unsubstantiated
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 26, 2017 9:02:43 GMT
Regardless of whether he, or any of the others, stay or go, we'd be a laughing stock if we sacked a manager that's achieved 3 top ten finishes on the bounce, I could be wrong but isn't it the only time in our 'illustrious' history we've managed it? Where are all those 'Charlton' doom mongers now? Who cares? He's not done a good job these last 2 seasons. The football has been turgid and on the whole the transfers have been really poor. Sadly he won't be sacked so this summer is massive for him. He needs to be pretty flawless with it and to develop us into a team that can actually play decent football again.
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Post by lordb on Mar 26, 2017 9:04:26 GMT
Regardless of whether he, or any of the others, stay or go, we'd be a laughing stock if we sacked a manager that's achieved 3 top ten finishes on the bounce, I could be wrong but isn't it the only time in our 'illustrious' history we've managed it? Where are all those 'Charlton' doom mongers now? You are not wrong.
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Post by lordb on Mar 26, 2017 9:07:33 GMT
Regardless of whether he, or any of the others, stay or go, we'd be a laughing stock if we sacked a manager that's achieved 3 top ten finishes on the bounce, I could be wrong but isn't it the only time in our 'illustrious' history we've managed it? Where are all those 'Charlton' doom mongers now? Who cares? He's not done a good job these last 2 seasons. The football has been turgid and on the whole the transfers have been really poor. Sadly he won't be sacked so this summer is massive for him. He needs to pretty flawless with it and to develop us into a team that can't actually play decent football again. The football was not turgid last season, Xmas 2015 saw the best football by Stoke for 40 years. Turgid this season,yes. On the whole transfers have been a success lately.Bony has been a shocker, all the others last summer have been very good.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 26, 2017 9:15:09 GMT
Who cares? He's not done a good job these last 2 seasons. The football has been turgid and on the whole the transfers have been really poor. Sadly he won't be sacked so this summer is massive for him. He needs to pretty flawless with it and to develop us into a team that can't actually play decent football again. The football was not turgid last season, Xmas 2015 saw the best football by Stoke for 40 years. Turgid this season,yes. On the whole transfers have been a success lately.Bony has been a shocker, all the others last summer have been very good. It was 3 games with a system that was found out in that time and then binned. Hardly a shining example is it? Allen wasn't needed and we still need a midfield overhaul. But the other 3 have been good. If Indi doesn't sign then it was a pretty pointless signing imo and leaves us back at square one. The summer before that is a complete write off and then there's Imbula. It's not good reading.
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Post by nonameface on Mar 26, 2017 9:19:22 GMT
Who cares? He's not done a good job these last 2 seasons. The football has been turgid and on the whole the transfers have been really poor. Sadly he won't be sacked so this summer is massive for him. He needs to pretty flawless with it and to develop us into a team that can't actually play decent football again. The football was not turgid last season, Xmas 2015 saw the best football by Stoke for 40 years. Turgid this season,yes. On the whole transfers have been a success lately.Bony has been a shocker, all the others last summer have been very good. Agreed;It's only Imbula that may turn out to lose us a bit of money, the other players that may not have worked quite so well could be sold for approximately the same as we bought them for if not more.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 26, 2017 9:20:32 GMT
The football was not turgid last season, Xmas 2015 saw the best football by Stoke for 40 years. Turgid this season,yes. On the whole transfers have been a success lately.Bony has been a shocker, all the others last summer have been very good. Agreed;It's only Imbula that may turn out to lose us a bit of money, the other players that may not have worked quite so well could be sold for approximately the same as we bought them for if not more. That's ok then. Who do we sign that's better than Shaq?
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Post by nonameface on Mar 26, 2017 9:23:26 GMT
The football was not turgid last season, Xmas 2015 saw the best football by Stoke for 40 years. Turgid this season,yes. On the whole transfers have been a success lately.Bony has been a shocker, all the others last summer have been very good. It was 3 games with a system that was found out in that time and then binned. Hardly a shining example is it? Allen wasn't needed and we still need a midfield overhaul. But the other 3 have been good. If Indi doesn't sign then it was a pretty pointless signing imo and leaves us back at square one. The summer before that is a complete write off and then there's Imbula. It's not good reading. Allen was a good signing and could stay here for 5yrs+. If Imbula had been a decent defensive signing we could have had a better finish to last season and a MUCH better season this. Hughes is close to getting a very good team.
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Post by pulismaskreplica on Mar 26, 2017 9:27:28 GMT
Victor Moses was exactly the same during his time with us wasn't he. Great player but always seemed to be carrying or protecting an injury.
Funny how the same Victor Moses is fit to play every week for Chelsea. It wouldn't surprise me if Shaqiri turned out the same
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 26, 2017 9:27:31 GMT
It was 3 games with a system that was found out in that time and then binned. Hardly a shining example is it? Allen wasn't needed and we still need a midfield overhaul. But the other 3 have been good. If Indi doesn't sign then it was a pretty pointless signing imo and leaves us back at square one. The summer before that is a complete write off and then there's Imbula. It's not good reading. Allen was a good signing and could stay here for 5yrs+. If Imbula had been a decent defensive signing we could have had a better finish to last season and a MUCH better season this. Hughes is close to getting a very good team. Allen isn't what we needed. We needed that decent defensive midfielder. We still do. Imbula wasn't that player, he's a massive fuck up, potentially the biggest in our history so far. How can you turn the other cheek on that so easily? He wasn't the defensive midfielder we need and he was the Fonz replacement we needed. The manager failed on two counts! We need 2 new full backs and 3 new central midfielders for me to get a team that is balanced and can defend and attack.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 26, 2017 9:27:35 GMT
Who says we've wasted it, Shaqiri just seems to be the current surrogate for many of the Hughes out brigade. Players got injured some break legs or ankles some pick up injuries like Shaqiri. I see no reason if we choose to sell Shaqiri that we wouldn't recoup the majority of the fee, personally I hope we don't. Just as a comparison Villa will potentially pay £15m for Jonathan Kodjia which is only £2m less than we've paid for Shaqiri and Ramadan, we're not going to get signings like Marko for a couple of million now. Why aren't we? And no he's not, he's another expensive signing that might be jettisoned after a short time. If TP had done this he'd be slaughtered. So should Hughed. It's really poor management. Another expensive signing jettisoned after a short time -who are the others then? And you want to slaughter Hughes for really poor management on something that hasn't even happened, seems fair and balanced to me.
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Post by nonameface on Mar 26, 2017 9:29:10 GMT
Agreed;It's only Imbula that may turn out to lose us a bit of money, the other players that may not have worked quite so well could be sold for approximately the same as we bought them for if not more. That's ok then. Who do we sign that's better than Shaq? Id keep Shaqiri, if he was faking his injuries the club would have said something about it. For me he's been largely excellent when he's played and has tracked back (albeit he cant tackle) showing he cares.
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Post by juiceandbits on Mar 26, 2017 9:29:45 GMT
I just don't see how the manager can last the summer if Shaq and Imbula are sold. How can he be trusted to spend a decent amount of money again? That's 31m spunked up the wall. The recruitment team would need fecking off too. I don't think for one second though that we should sell Shaq. We need to find a fitness plan for him to keep him fit. Not necessarily saying he should go but we could be selling our two genuine number 10's in the summer. That would leave us with Sobhi and Arnie as our only creative players really. Yikes.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 26, 2017 9:29:58 GMT
Why aren't we? And no he's not, he's another expensive signing that might be jettisoned after a short time. If TP had done this he'd be slaughtered. So should Hughed. It's really poor management. Another expensive signing jettisoned after a short time -who are the others then? And you want to slaughter Hughes for really poor management on something that hasn't even happened, seems fair and balanced to me. Well it'll be Joselu, Shaq and Imbula if the summer goes to plan I think. Because it very likely to happen and he's not playing these players he's signed and has gone back to the old guard that are just horrible to watch. He deserves nothing less.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 26, 2017 9:32:30 GMT
On paper we have a great squad but for one reason or another it just hasn't clicked. The defence picks itself but on potential I think most people possibly even MH would be looking at this
Allen Imbula
Sobhi Shaq Arni
Berahino
But for one reason or another (injuries, fitness, discipline, loss of form) it hadn't happened and more than likely won't work because we don't have enough steel and skill in the 2 DMs role which needs addressing. When weve been relying on Glen and Geoff there is a problem for what is the key position that makes the others work.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 26, 2017 9:32:54 GMT
We Would get at least 12m back for Shaqiri so I don't think Coates would see that as a problem if we sold him however Imbula we would lose £10m + which would be seen as a big issue. Imbula needs to be played to get some value on him if Hughes wants to sell or to play him into some form. We can't make europe and can't go down so why not give him the rest of the season as a starter. Imbula has been Hughes's biggest mistake if he does not figure for the rest of the season serious questions need answering.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 26, 2017 9:34:52 GMT
That's ok then. Who do we sign that's better than Shaq? Id keep Shaqiri, if he was faking his injuries the club would have said something about it. For me he's been largely excellent when he's played and has tracked back (albeit he cant tackle) showing he cares. Me too. I don't buy for one second that he fakes injuries. We have a shocking record with injuries and that has to change. We have to develop a regime for him that keeps him fit as he's one of our best players. That's a problem the management should look to overcome with innovation not by selling him.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 26, 2017 9:39:56 GMT
Another expensive signing jettisoned after a short time -who are the others then? And you want to slaughter Hughes for really poor management on something that hasn't even happened, seems fair and balanced to me. Well it'll be Joselu, Shaq and Imbula if the summer goes to plan I think. Because it very likely to happen and he's not playing these players he's signed and has gone back to the old guard that are just horrible to watch. He deserves nothing less. Do you actually disagree with the jettisoning in any of the cases though, Bayern? Let's face it, Joselu and Imbula are patently not up to the demands required of them. Shaq's a different case I'm intrigued as to who's doing the leaking to the Sentinel. There's no way they'd have been gone with this Shaq line unless it was pretty much decided he was off IMO. I'm always inclined to back the manager in cases like this. He knows the whole picture re attitude and injuries. And it's been obvious since January that we're going to move heaven and earth to shift Imbula. I think it's better managers acknowledge mistakes and try to move on, however much personal capital they've got invested in big-money signings (and he's got a hell of a lot invested in these 2, especially Imbula), rather than try and hammer away and try and save face. I don't think we'll lose a penny on Shaq, but have no idea if we can even get 50% of our cash back on Imbula.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 26, 2017 9:47:27 GMT
Well it'll be Joselu, Shaq and Imbula if the summer goes to plan I think. Because it very likely to happen and he's not playing these players he's signed and has gone back to the old guard that are just horrible to watch. He deserves nothing less. Do you actually disagree with the jettisoning in any of the cases though, Bayern? Let's face it, Joselu and Imbula are patently not up to the demands required of them. Shaq's a different case I'm intrigued as to who's doing the leaking to the Sentinel. There's no way they'd have been gone with this Shaq line unless it was pretty much decided he was off IMO. I'm always inclined to back the manager in cases like this. He knows the whole picture re attitude and injuries. And it's been obvious since January that we're going to move heaven and earth to shift Imbula. I think it's better managers acknowledge mistakes and try to move on, however much personal capital they've got invested in big-money signings (and he's got a hell of a lot invested in these 2, especially Imbula), rather than try and hammer away and try and save face. I don't think we'll lose a penny on Shaq, but have no idea if we can even get 50% of our cash back on Imbula. I'd have kept Joselu for this season. But again once Crouch signed his new deal, Joselu should never have been signed. It's another case of Hughes showing he doesn't really have a plan and is pretty harem scarem with his recruitment. I just can't see past how you can get rid of your record signing after 18 months and not be sacked. It's a massive fuck up that shouldn't be acceptable. If he was my signing I wouldn't be getting rid of him for that very reason. But if his job is that safe then that worries me. But in that case of course you would. He's a massive flop and the manager clearly has no time for him. Shaq's one of our best players, he shouldn't be going anywhere.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 26, 2017 9:57:07 GMT
Do you actually disagree with the jettisoning in any of the cases though, Bayern? Let's face it, Joselu and Imbula are patently not up to the demands required of them. Shaq's a different case I'm intrigued as to who's doing the leaking to the Sentinel. There's no way they'd have been gone with this Shaq line unless it was pretty much decided he was off IMO. I'm always inclined to back the manager in cases like this. He knows the whole picture re attitude and injuries. And it's been obvious since January that we're going to move heaven and earth to shift Imbula. I think it's better managers acknowledge mistakes and try to move on, however much personal capital they've got invested in big-money signings (and he's got a hell of a lot invested in these 2, especially Imbula), rather than try and hammer away and try and save face. I don't think we'll lose a penny on Shaq, but have no idea if we can even get 50% of our cash back on Imbula. I'd have kept Joselu for this season. But again once Crouch signed his new deal, Joselu should never have been signed. It's another case of Hughes showing he doesn't really have a plan and is pretty harem scarem with his recruitment. I just can't see past how you can get rid of your record signing after 18 months and not be sacked. It's a massive fuck up that shouldn't be acceptable. If he was my signing I wouldn't be getting rid of him for that very reason. But if his job is that safe then that worries me. But in that case of course you would. He's a massive flop and the manager clearly has no time for him. Shaq's one of our best players, he shouldn't be going anywhere. Certainly some real howlers being made by the recruitment team. Cartwright, Cruickshank, Hughes - who knows the layers of responsibility? God only knows what they saw in Joselu that they thought would translate to England. Imbula's a very odd one. Both Milan clubs would have taken him which says everything about his ability. But he doesn't seem to have moved forward an inch as a player in 14 months. Again, hard to know where the blame lies and there seems to be big character issues and he still looks like he's having a kickabout on the playground. Looks like a case of fingers burnt will mean Prem-ready, domestic players zooming up the charts. With Shaq, he's missed 43% of games and if we can't rule that out continuing and think that's who he is and is going to be, we must think cutting our losses is the way to go.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 10:01:23 GMT
I'd have kept Joselu for this season. But again once Crouch signed his new deal, Joselu should never have been signed. It's another case of Hughes showing he doesn't really have a plan and is pretty harem scarem with his recruitment. I just can't see past how you can get rid of your record signing after 18 months and not be sacked. It's a massive fuck up that shouldn't be acceptable. If he was my signing I wouldn't be getting rid of him for that very reason. But if his job is that safe then that worries me. But in that case of course you would. He's a massive flop and the manager clearly has no time for him. Shaq's one of our best players, he shouldn't be going anywhere. Certainly some real howlers being made by the recruitment team. Cartwright, Cruickshank, Hughes - who knows the layers of responsibility? God only knows what they saw in Joselu that they thought would translate to England. Imbula's a very odd one. Both Milan clubs would have taken him which says everything about his ability. But he doesn't seem to have moved forward an inch as a player in 14 months. Again, hard to know where the blame lies and there seems to be big character issues and he still looks like he's having a kickabout on the playground. Looks like a case of fingers burnt will mean Prem-ready, domestic players zooming up the charts. With Shaq, he's missed 43% of games and if we can't rule that out continuing and think that's who he is and is going to be, we must think cutting our losses is the way to go. I'll tell you what they saw in Joselu. Prozone stats that showed he was the best aerial striker in the Bundesliga for the season before we signed him. Two and two was put together to replace Crouch and they came up with six. That's how lazy and shite scouting is these days, yet they tell you and I it is more scientific.
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Post by nutterpotter on Mar 26, 2017 10:05:39 GMT
I'm certain that Joselu was a Cruickshank buy.
You could tell by his reaction on Twitter when he signed and then when we loaned him out, he seemed gutted.
Same with when we let Wolly go too.
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