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Post by redstriper on Feb 24, 2017 11:29:59 GMT
Very poor decision imo.
I had nothing against them before but I hope they go down now. It'll complete the story at least.
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Post by redstriper on Feb 24, 2017 11:31:55 GMT
Bollocks is it at all shocking for them to sack him. Last year the Title was won by Nigel Pearsons team, who played exceptionally well and had one of if not the best defensive midfielder in the world in their team. Ranieri had very little influence in my eyes, never was there a game he made inspire subs etc. All of his signings this season have flopped, even a 30m striker. Leicester have then chance that we have wanted for years, to use european football to cement themselves as a top 6 club by attracting better players etc. All what has been building in Leicester since League 1 promotion is about to be undone by relegation, largely due to the inept management of Claudio Ranieri. Had enough of people calling Leicester embarassing, no room for sentiment in football whatsoever if you want to make it. He'll go down a legend in their history, best to get out now than suffer relegation. rant over Possibly the biggest load of bullshit i've read so far on here +1
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Post by foster on Feb 24, 2017 12:20:59 GMT
Fucking hell, that Lineker 'shedding a tear' story is making me cringe.
Ranieri got fired and compensated. He didn't get fucking arse raped and murdered.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Feb 24, 2017 12:51:12 GMT
I'm struggling to see what the fuss is about.
The reigning champions of England are on the verge of relegation and have offered a timid defence of their title.
No wins in the Premier League in 2017 - not even a goal!
There has been nothing to suggest that Ranieri was about to turn things around.
The only surprise is that there is any surprise at all!
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Post by cheadlepotter on Feb 24, 2017 13:21:17 GMT
RIP
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Post by kenny on Feb 24, 2017 13:24:57 GMT
The bottom line is that Ranieri has spent near on £100 million on players and we have gone from 1st to 17th .
The recruitment has been shocking, the areas badly needing strengthening was CB,RB, DM and ACM.
What we did sign was 2 strikers when we already had 3, a left winger in Kapustka when there was something like 5 players who can play that role.
It was recruitment in the wrong areas, it was always going to cause a rift especially when on occasions we only played 1 up top.
The tinkering wasn't helping, we are team who's whole game is based on a 4-4-1-1, we have played the diamond, 4-4-2 as well as 4-3-3, players being played out of position wasn't helping, no wonder the players was in disarray .
We played a simple system last season that Wasn't found out regardless of what people think, Ranieri should have signed players who complimented the system rather than making thinks worse.
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Post by meladben on Feb 24, 2017 13:55:09 GMT
If it's true there was a player revolt what likelihood these players will be courted by other managers/teams knowing what a bunch of Judas B'stards they are
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Post by GrahamHyde on Feb 24, 2017 14:03:13 GMT
No, I would say not even being in the relegation zone was a slight teetering. Not saying they're not in trouble but I do think it's premature. Success lf that magnitude should grant him immunity against relegation. it's not premature at all! If it was November or December it would be, but if they get into a relegation scrap now then it's bloody late in the day for them to suddenly hope for a good run. Nothing should give anyone immunity from being sacked if you look like you could well go down (and they do..not a single Prem goal in 2017 so far and one of the worst defences). The club is always, has always been and will always be bigger than any one individual. Football, and the future of the club has sod all to do with any kind of sentiment and rightly so. I disagree. I am trying to empathize and think what it would be like if it happened to Stoke, as we are at a similar level to Leicester. If Stoke won the Premier League it would be so unprecedented that any future failures would be redundant*. The loyalty towards a manager that has done that should be paramount. The bloke would have a statue. If they go down, so what? Well, we know what, that's why he's been sacked ($$$$) Again, this isn't a knock at Hughes, but I would just ask whether you would prefer to take winning the league and then relegation or 9th and then 9th again? * Within reason (e.g. taking the club in to so much debt that it plummets them in to liquidation, or getting his nob out in front of the Boothen)
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Post by senojbor on Feb 24, 2017 14:33:22 GMT
It now appears that the owners had a meeting with the players on Thursday. Vardy and co said basically that Ranieri didn't have the support of the players.
If that was the case the owners should have run ten ton of steel through them and put them all on the transfer list in the summer. They should be told to buckle down and do the job they are paid well for and backed their manager.
What a shit way of running a football club.
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Post by senojbor on Feb 24, 2017 14:37:06 GMT
it's not premature at all! If it was November or December it would be, but if they get into a relegation scrap now then it's bloody late in the day for them to suddenly hope for a good run. Nothing should give anyone immunity from being sacked if you look like you could well go down (and they do..not a single Prem goal in 2017 so far and one of the worst defences). The club is always, has always been and will always be bigger than any one individual. Football, and the future of the club has sod all to do with any kind of sentiment and rightly so. I disagree. I am trying to empathize and think what it would be like if it happened to Stoke, as we are at a similar level to Leicester. If Stoke won the Premier League it would be so unprecedented that any future failures would be redundant*. The loyalty towards a manager that has done that should be paramount. The bloke would have a statue. If they go down, so what? Well, we know what, that's why he's been sacked ($$$$) Again, this isn't a knock at Hughes, but I would just ask whether you would prefer to take winning the league and then relegation or 9th and then 9th again? * Within reason (e.g. taking the club in to so much debt that it plummets them in to liquidation, or getting his nob out in front of the Boothen) If Mark Hughes won us the premier league and we sacked him for having a poor next season I'd never go to another game - ever.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 24, 2017 14:40:51 GMT
No, I would say not even being in the relegation zone was a slight teetering. Not saying they're not in trouble but I do think it's premature. Success lf that magnitude should grant him immunity against relegation. it's not premature at all! If it was November or December it would be, but if they get into a relegation scrap now then it's bloody late in the day for them to suddenly hope for a good run. Nothing should give anyone immunity from being sacked if you look like you could well go down (and they do..not a single Prem goal in 2017 so far and one of the worst defences). The club is always, has always been and will always be bigger than any one individual. Football, and the future of the club has sod all to do with any kind of sentiment and rightly so.
So let's get this straight ...
If at the start of next season you were offered Mark Hughes leading us to the title but the following season he would take us down and he had to remain in charge at least until we had been relegated, you wouldn't take it?
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 24, 2017 14:42:04 GMT
it's not premature at all! If it was November or December it would be, but if they get into a relegation scrap now then it's bloody late in the day for them to suddenly hope for a good run. Nothing should give anyone immunity from being sacked if you look like you could well go down (and they do..not a single Prem goal in 2017 so far and one of the worst defences). The club is always, has always been and will always be bigger than any one individual. Football, and the future of the club has sod all to do with any kind of sentiment and rightly so. I disagree. I am trying to empathize and think what it would be like if it happened to Stoke, as we are at a similar level to Leicester. If Stoke won the Premier League it would be so unprecedented that any future failures would be redundant*. The loyalty towards a manager that has done that should be paramount. The bloke would have a statue. If they go down, so what? Well, we know what, that's why he's been sacked ($$$$) Again, this isn't a knock at Hughes, but I would just ask whether you would prefer to take winning the league and then relegation or 9th and then 9th again? * Within reason (e.g. taking the club in to so much debt that it plummets them in to liquidation, or getting his nob out in front of the Boothen) Of course he's been sacked because of the financial implications. They'll miss out on around 100 mill if they go down (as would we in that position) but whether we like it or not, that's the way football works nowadays. May not be what it was when we were growing up but you can't look at the "Glory days" of football and make decisions based on that anymore. The game has moved on and the players AND managers are fully aware of that. He succeeded immensely well last season and deservedly got the plaudits. He has utterly failed this season so therefore has to suffer the consequences that brings. He can't have it both ways..you can't just reward people with a job because of what they used to achieve, especially at the expense of the club.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 24, 2017 14:46:39 GMT
it's not premature at all! If it was November or December it would be, but if they get into a relegation scrap now then it's bloody late in the day for them to suddenly hope for a good run. Nothing should give anyone immunity from being sacked if you look like you could well go down (and they do..not a single Prem goal in 2017 so far and one of the worst defences). The club is always, has always been and will always be bigger than any one individual. Football, and the future of the club has sod all to do with any kind of sentiment and rightly so.
So let's get this straight ...
If at the start of next season you were offered Mark Hughes leading us to the title but the following season he would take us down and he had to remain in charge at least until we had been relegated, you wouldn't take it?
i wasn't aware those were the only 2 options Paul....in my mind there's also an obvious 3rd option, which is that he could win the title and then the next season not win the title again obviously, but at least not be soooo terrible that you find yourself 1 point off the bottom 3 at the end of february having scored 0 goals in the Prem in this calendar year and having one of the worst defences. This isn't a bloke who has taken them to the title then deteriorated to a mid-table side, it's a bloke who's won the title then turned that team into one of the worst clubs in the divison. You're going to continue to reward him for that with a £3miil a year wage are you? i said the other day (as you know) that hypothetically i'd take winning the title if it meant going down the next year. i wouldn't want the same manager that turned a title winning team into an embarrassment though when we did go down. To destroy a team that badly, how would that put any faith into anyone that he could bring you back you up? Football is a results business and the managers get paid bloody well to do it (and the only real reason they DO do it). Gratitude schmatitude. He specifically asked when he got his new contract end of last season (where his wages were doubled to show gratitude) that it was for seven years!!!!!! 7 years for an ageing manager who'd be 72 by the time it ran out...you telling me he wasn't fully aware there was a chance this could happen? He made damn sure he got his "Gratitude" right there, let's not pretend the club are an arse for only thinking about money but Claudio just did it for the love of the game, he's no different in being money motivated. He's playing ti the same way as everyone else does.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 24, 2017 14:49:32 GMT
So let's get this straight ...
If at the start of next season you were offered Mark Hughes leading us to the title but the following season he would take us down and he had to remain in charge at least until we had been relegated, you wouldn't take it?
i wasn't aware those were the only 2 options Paul....in my mind there's also an obvious 3rd option, which is that he could win the title and then the next season not win the title again obviously, but at least not be soooo terrible that you find yourself 1 point off the bottom 3 at the end of february having scored 0 goals in the Prem in this calendar year and having one of the worst defences. This isn't a bloke who has taken them to the title then deteriorated to a mid-table side, it's a bloke who's won the title then turned that team into one of the worst clubs in the divison. You're going to continue to reward him for that with a £3miil a year wage are you?
Yeah but if it was the only option, you wouldn't take it?
I was taking the piss mate because the other day you were advocating relegation the following season in exchange for winning the title in the previous one.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 24, 2017 14:50:09 GMT
i wasn't aware those were the only 2 options Paul....in my mind there's also an obvious 3rd option, which is that he could win the title and then the next season not win the title again obviously, but at least not be soooo terrible that you find yourself 1 point off the bottom 3 at the end of february having scored 0 goals in the Prem in this calendar year and having one of the worst defences. This isn't a bloke who has taken them to the title then deteriorated to a mid-table side, it's a bloke who's won the title then turned that team into one of the worst clubs in the divison. You're going to continue to reward him for that with a £3miil a year wage are you?
Yeah but if it was the only option, you wouldn't take it?
I was taking the piss mate because the other day you were advocating relegation the following season in exchange for winning the title in the previous one.
Haha presumed that's why you asked mate so just edited my post accordingly
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Post by leoncort on Feb 24, 2017 15:33:36 GMT
Bollocks is it at all shocking for them to sack him. Last year the Title was won by Nigel Pearsons team, who played exceptionally well and had one of if not the best defensive midfielder in the world in their team. Ranieri had very little influence in my eyes, never was there a game he made inspire subs etc. All of his signings this season have flopped, even a 30m striker. Leicester have then chance that we have wanted for years, to use european football to cement themselves as a top 6 club by attracting better players etc. All what has been building in Leicester since League 1 promotion is about to be undone by relegation, largely due to the inept management of Claudio Ranieri. Had enough of people calling Leicester embarassing, no room for sentiment in football whatsoever if you want to make it. He'll go down a legend in their history, best to get out now than suffer relegation. rant over Possibly the biggest load of bullshit i've read so far on here You're entitled to your opinion as am I. I live with two Leicester city fans, the entirely agree with the sacking and are sick to death with the patronising view of other fans. They know wasn't best for their club and Ranieri has been saying the same thing post march for 2 months 'we tried hard, we had no luck' that won't keep them up. Everything they have built is in jeopardy and it's time for him to go. Of course I'm a stoke fan, home and away and oh you mean the ulloa that has refused to ever play for them again? Get real, if you stop and be sentimental in football you get relegated, personnel changes and people need to get over that, on there forum 80% agree it was the right decision. There's a fact for you.. says it all
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Post by GrahamHyde on Feb 24, 2017 16:30:17 GMT
I disagree. I am trying to empathize and think what it would be like if it happened to Stoke, as we are at a similar level to Leicester. If Stoke won the Premier League it would be so unprecedented that any future failures would be redundant*. The loyalty towards a manager that has done that should be paramount. The bloke would have a statue. If they go down, so what? Well, we know what, that's why he's been sacked ($$$$) Again, this isn't a knock at Hughes, but I would just ask whether you would prefer to take winning the league and then relegation or 9th and then 9th again? * Within reason (e.g. taking the club in to so much debt that it plummets them in to liquidation, or getting his nob out in front of the Boothen) Of course he's been sacked because of the financial implications. They'll miss out on around 100 mill if they go down (as would we in that position) but whether we like it or not, that's the way football works nowadays. May not be what it was when we were growing up but you can't look at the "Glory days" of football and make decisions based on that anymore. The game has moved on and the players AND managers are fully aware of that. He succeeded immensely well last season and deservedly got the plaudits. He has utterly failed this season so therefore has to suffer the consequences that brings. He can't have it both ways..you can't just reward people with a job because of what they used to achieve, especially at the expense of the club. Yep - of course. Hence why the 'game's gone'. Logically I can see why he has been sacked, as business owners they can't afford to have their club relegated to the next tier due to vast amounts of revenue streams they would lose, even if they're not currently in the relegation zone. Granted, they may well have been in a few weeks given the poor form, but on the flip side he could have won 3 of his next 4 games. There's also no guarantee that the new manager that comes in will do the same. Also doesn't mean to say that we have to agree with it as football fans. Again, if this had happened to Stoke I would have been utterly embarrassed and ashamed.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 24, 2017 16:38:02 GMT
Of course he's been sacked because of the financial implications. They'll miss out on around 100 mill if they go down (as would we in that position) but whether we like it or not, that's the way football works nowadays. May not be what it was when we were growing up but you can't look at the "Glory days" of football and make decisions based on that anymore. The game has moved on and the players AND managers are fully aware of that. He succeeded immensely well last season and deservedly got the plaudits. He has utterly failed this season so therefore has to suffer the consequences that brings. He can't have it both ways..you can't just reward people with a job because of what they used to achieve, especially at the expense of the club. Yep - of course. Hence why the 'game's gone'. Logically I can see why he has been sacked, as business owners they can't afford to have their club relegated to the next tier due to vast amounts of revenue streams they would lose, even if they're not currently in the relegation zone. Granted, they may well have been in a few weeks given the poor form, but on the flip side he could have won 3 of his next 4 games. There's also no guarantee that the new manager that comes in will do the same. Also doesn't mean to say that we have to agree with it as football fans. Again, if this had happened to Stoke I would have been utterly embarrassed and ashamed. That's well put actually. Whilst i'm looking at it purely on the logical reasons of the way things work nowadays, i can definitely see that it certainly is just part and parcel of the financial circus that football is nowadays. If this happened back in the 80s or even 90s before TV money became ludicrous, i'd most definitely be as embarrassed by the decision as yourself. Having said that......it's because of the ludicrous amounts thrown around nowadays that Ranieri got the very lucrative and ridiculously long-term (in terms of his age) deal he got, so he's playing the game just as much as the club are. 3mill a year for 7 years for someone who's already 65? and because of that he'll be getting a huge payoff now from the club, can't say he hasn't been shown gratitude!
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Post by raythesailor on Feb 24, 2017 16:59:56 GMT
There is something I do not understand here. Player Power ?
Chelsea last year and this year Leicester. We are all talking about Ranieri and what he has and has not done.
What about these over paid multi millionaires who have presumably, BY CHOICE, just stopped trying and can't be bothered. to perform for there club and its supporters. It ceartainly happened at Chelsea and would seem to be the same at Leicester.
As a season ticket holder I would be somewhat pissed off if this happened at Stoke.
I have no respect for them at all.
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Post by CillaBlacksPissFlaps on Feb 24, 2017 17:00:17 GMT
I think Craig Shakespeare deserves a lot of credit for leicesters achievements last season and now that he and Claudio have fell out it wasn't going to end well. From what I have been told Claudio had to go or they would of fell through the trap door, sentiment or no sentiment he had lost the dressing room big time and from stories I have been told I can see why. He changed a lot this year unnecessarily on and off the pitch. Yes he did well last year but like I say, Shakespeare was a big reason for this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 21:15:31 GMT
absolutely disgusting......many will be saying they deserve to go down now
they should be building statues never mind sacking him
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Post by PotteringThrough on Feb 24, 2017 21:20:24 GMT
I'm struggling to see what the fuss is about. The reigning champions of England are on the verge of relegation and have offered a timid defence of their title. No wins in the Premier League in 2017 - not even a goal! There has been nothing to suggest that Ranieri was about to turn things around. The only surprise is that there is any surprise at all! I guess if it was Chelsea, Arsenal or Man U then it would be a no brainer. However it's Leicester. They're still in the Champions League but they're probably back at their level in the league. Tough one I guess but the owners really can't afford to go down so it's a straightforward decision in that regard. All their rivals down there have changed, with the exception of Sunderland who are obliged to change in the summer only.
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Post by Scrotnig on Feb 24, 2017 22:03:34 GMT
Claudio's statement on the matter is beautiful and heartbreaking at the same time.
As I probably mentioned once or twice, I live in Leicester these days....the Leicester fans really took Claudio to their hearts and he the same in reverse. He was and is an extremely popular figure round here, and rightly so. He has hero status. He is worshipped. At some point there will certainly be a statue of him in the city somewhere, I am sure.
I realise the owners wanted to protect their 'investment' but sacking him is just wrong, so wrong. I feel sure he would have kept them up, one way or the other.
I shall never forget the buzz and feelgood factor he created in this city....even people who didn't like football were swept up in it. It really was quite astonishing and transcended football entirely. I lived in Manchester for years where football titles and trophies of one sort or another come and go, but I have never seen anything in football quite like what happened in Leicester last year, and I doubt I ever will again. Claudio was at the very heart of all that, he is fantastic.
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Post by Scrotnig on Feb 24, 2017 22:08:27 GMT
I'm struggling to see what the fuss is about. The reigning champions of England are on the verge of relegation and have offered a timid defence of their title. No wins in the Premier League in 2017 - not even a goal! There has been nothing to suggest that Ranieri was about to turn things around. The only surprise is that there is any surprise at all! I guess if it was Chelsea, Arsenal or Man U then it would be a no brainer. However it's Leicester. They're still in the Champions League but they're probably back at their level in the league. Tough one I guess but the owners really can't afford to go down so it's a straightforward decision in that regard. All their rivals down there have changed, with the exception of Sunderland who are obliged to change in the summer only. It's the wrong decision. You build long term success with stability. That's what we're doing with Hughes, albeit it's a rocky road at times, but three consecutive 9th place finishes - with a fourth on the cards - is quite some achievement. Who knows, perhaps one year we will win the title ourselves. A year ago I'd have never dreamed of saying that, but Claudio proved it can be done. He gave 'smaller', unfashionable clubs hope that has been missing for too many years. We won't like to admit it but in many ways Leicester City are similar to us, and several other clubs. There's absolutely nothing to say we can't do what they did. Hell, not that many years ago I dismissed any hope of us getting to the premier league, and less still surviving here...and how'd that turn out? You just never know when it will all 'click'.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 24, 2017 22:17:24 GMT
"Treacherous Leicester players met 4 times with the owners to get Claudio Ranieri axed"
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Post by kustokie on Feb 25, 2017 4:39:05 GMT
it's not premature at all! If it was November or December it would be, but if they get into a relegation scrap now then it's bloody late in the day for them to suddenly hope for a good run. Nothing should give anyone immunity from being sacked if you look like you could well go down (and they do..not a single Prem goal in 2017 so far and one of the worst defences). The club is always, has always been and will always be bigger than any one individual. Football, and the future of the club has sod all to do with any kind of sentiment and rightly so.
So let's get this straight ...
If at the start of next season you were offered Mark Hughes leading us to the title but the following season he would take us down and he had to remain in charge at least until we had been relegated, you wouldn't take it?
Definitely not!
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Post by adri2008 on Feb 25, 2017 6:42:29 GMT
Hopefully their 'stars' will now disappear into obscurity if it's true. It was more about the team anyway
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Post by block30row19 on Feb 25, 2017 8:05:28 GMT
2 sides yo this. From a business point of view. Good decision. From a sentimental point of view very sad. All there is to it I'm afraid. Peter Coates was on the radio saying he understood the decision. So that's good enough for me. Seeing as I slagged him off for bringing TP back second time. And slagged him off for bringing MH in. WTF do I know 😂
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Post by butlerstbob on Feb 25, 2017 9:14:42 GMT
It just goes to show what we supporters are up against! This bloke guided them to probably one of the most sort after medals in club football where even the likes of Gerrard couldn't achieve and how do they repay him...by stabbing him in the back 6 months after, bloody 6 months! Those Leicester players are scum and I hope they struggle to find any kind of form to drag themselves out of the shit! They deserve relegation each and every one of them!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 9:37:53 GMT
I hope they get relegated now it's an absolutely crazy decision to sack him.
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