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Post by madmickthe3rd on Feb 23, 2017 16:41:16 GMT
Apologies if this has been done before....
It seems like only 5 minutes since Sparky took over yet already he is the 4th longest serving current Premiership Manager after Wenger, Howe & Dyche. Interested to know what the average tenure of a Premiership Manager is these days. About a season I guess??
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 23, 2017 16:52:06 GMT
So if Wenger goes at the end of the season then Hughes will be the longest serving Premier League manager IN the Premier League (Dyche and Howe managed in the Championship) and if Notts County get relegated it will be at the oldest League club in the world with a single trophy to show for it
Not sure if that makes us a model of modest stability or one of unambitious mediocrity.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 23, 2017 17:19:38 GMT
So if Wenger goes at the end of the season then Hughes will be the longest serving Premier League manager IN the Premier League (Dyche and Howe managed in the Championship) and if Notts County get relegated it will be at the oldest League club in the world with a single trophy to show for itNot sure if that makes us a model of modest stability or one of unambitious mediocrity. Methinks you have forgotten the Autoglass Trophy - we've won it two times!  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 17:22:59 GMT
So if Wenger goes at the end of the season then Hughes will be the longest serving Premier League manager IN the Premier League (Dyche and Howe managed in the Championship) and if Notts County get relegated it will be at the oldest League club in the world with a single trophy to show for it Not sure if that makes us a model of modest stability or one of unambitious mediocrity. Must be the most underachieving club in history! |
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 23, 2017 18:26:29 GMT
People who criticise what Stoke have achieved should be required to state what they have achieved in their lifetime.
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Post by Naughtyfarty on Feb 23, 2017 19:42:37 GMT
Mark Hughes has been a premiership manager throughout his association with us, unlike 2 of them
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Post by superheroantonius on Feb 23, 2017 20:50:09 GMT
Wenger once went an entire season unbeaten in the prem and as qualified for the champions league every year without fail
Howe took over his club starting the season in the bottom league with a 15 or 20 point points deduction?? and led them to the prem.
Hughes is either brilliant or we are very loyal???
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 23, 2017 20:51:23 GMT
Surely Wenger should be 4th?
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 23, 2017 20:54:02 GMT
So if Wenger goes at the end of the season then Hughes will be the longest serving Premier League manager IN the Premier League (Dyche and Howe managed in the Championship) and if Notts County get relegated it will be at the oldest League club in the world with a single trophy to show for itNot sure if that makes us a model of modest stability or one of unambitious mediocrity. Methinks you have forgotten the Autoglass Trophy - we've won it two times! Didn't we also win the watney Mann Anglo Scottish thingy once? |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Feb 23, 2017 20:56:44 GMT
Heard some crazy stats on the wireless earlier that went something like this..
4 out of the last five Prem winning managers were sacked before the end of the next season.
Neither of last years domestic trophy winning managers started this season with those Clubs.
Doesn't look like success is rewarded in football management.
Wenger is cleverer than one might think.
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Post by innocentbystander on Feb 23, 2017 21:20:34 GMT
Apologies if this has been done before.... It seems like only 5 minutes since Sparky took over yet already he is the 4th longest serving current Premiership Manager after Wenger, Howe & Dyche. Last season he was second longest serving manager in the Prem - now he's down to 4th. HUGHES OUT  |
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Post by kustokie on Feb 23, 2017 21:30:26 GMT
People who criticise what Stoke have achieved should be required to state what they have achieved in their lifetime. Explain! |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Feb 23, 2017 21:38:00 GMT
Where's Sir Peter in the Chairman charts.
Abramovic longest serving in the Prem?
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 23, 2017 23:34:36 GMT
People who criticise what Stoke have achieved should be required to state what they have achieved in their lifetime. Explain! My point ku is that - criticizing a person, player, policy, decision, etc. is one thing, although personally I think it should always be done constructively with either a reason for the criticism or a suggestion of how things could be better (e.g. if you think Hughes should be sacked, I think it is apposite to suggest who should be the manager). Conversely deriding or mocking the club for its 150+ years history is another matter altogether. Firstly many clubs, indeed most clubs, have failed to achieve what Stoke have done during their history. I speak as an ex President of a small works club that plays in a minor league, of which there are thousands. Secondly during its history Stoke has had thousands of employees who have striven to do their best, whatever their role in the club. During that history the club has played at the highest league level for "most" of the time and come close to winning a major competition on a handful of occasions, actually winning just the once, which I was delighted to attend. My knee jerk reaction then to seeing some of the pejorative remarks above, is to question what qualifies them to mock the efforts of all the past servants of the club I love and respect. |
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Post by kustokie on Feb 23, 2017 23:45:02 GMT
My point ku is that - criticizing a person, player, policy, decision, etc. is one thing, although personally I think it should always be done constructively with either a reason for the criticism or a suggestion of how things could be better (e.g. if you think Hughes should be sacked, I think it is apposite to suggest who should be the manager). Conversely deriding or mocking the club for its 150+ years history is another matter altogether. Firstly many clubs, indeed most clubs, have failed to achieve what Stoke have done during their history. I speak as an ex President of a small works club that plays in a minor league, of which there are thousands. Secondly during its history Stoke has had thousands of employees who have striven to do their best, whatever their role in the club. During that history the club has played at the highest league level for "most" of the time and come close to winning a major competition on a handful of occasions, actually winning just the once, which I was delighted to attend. My knee jerk reaction then to seeing some of the pejorative remarks above, is to question what qualifies them to mock the efforts of all the past servants of the club I love and respect. I don't believe anyone is mocking what Hughes has achieved. However, I prefer to focus on what needs to be improved not what was done in the past. Leicester have just let their manager go because they aren't performing anywhere near the level of last season. That trophy looks nice in the cabinet; however, they can't sell it and put the cash in the bank because they don't own it. The league lent it to them until the end of the season. They can put a replica of the trophy in the cabinet and admire it all they want. However, it won't sell season tickets and a lot less people will be watching them on TV. |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Feb 23, 2017 23:56:17 GMT
My point ku is that - criticizing a person, player, policy, decision, etc. is one thing, although personally I think it should always be done constructively with either a reason for the criticism or a suggestion of how things could be better (e.g. if you think Hughes should be sacked, I think it is apposite to suggest who should be the manager). Conversely deriding or mocking the club for its 150+ years history is another matter altogether. Firstly many clubs, indeed most clubs, have failed to achieve what Stoke have done during their history. I speak as an ex President of a small works club that plays in a minor league, of which there are thousands. Secondly during its history Stoke has had thousands of employees who have striven to do their best, whatever their role in the club. During that history the club has played at the highest league level for "most" of the time and come close to winning a major competition on a handful of occasions, actually winning just the once, which I was delighted to attend. My knee jerk reaction then to seeing some of the pejorative remarks above, is to question what qualifies them to mock the efforts of all the past servants of the club I love and respect. I don't believe anyone is mocking what Hughes has achieved. However, I prefer to focus on what needs to be improved not what was done in the past. Leicester have just let their manager go because they aren't performing anywhere near the level of last season. That trophy looks nice in the cabinet; however, they can't sell it and put the cash in the bank because they don't own it. The league lent it to them until the end of the season. They can put a replica of the trophy in the cabinet and admire it all they want. However, it won't sell season tickets and a lot less people will be watching them on TV. Ffs ku are determined to wring any last bit of romance out of the beautiful game. Reducing it to how many shirts and subscriptions you can shift. I know it's not your fault it's heading that way but it's disappointing that you continually condone it. Enjoy the journey and stop fretting about who's tuning in in Timbuktu mate. |
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 24, 2017 0:04:40 GMT
My point ku is that - criticizing a person, player, policy, decision, etc. is one thing, although personally I think it should always be done constructively with either a reason for the criticism or a suggestion of how things could be better (e.g. if you think Hughes should be sacked, I think it is apposite to suggest who should be the manager). Conversely deriding or mocking the club for its 150+ years history is another matter altogether. Firstly many clubs, indeed most clubs, have failed to achieve what Stoke have done during their history. I speak as an ex President of a small works club that plays in a minor league, of which there are thousands. Secondly during its history Stoke has had thousands of employees who have striven to do their best, whatever their role in the club. During that history the club has played at the highest league level for "most" of the time and come close to winning a major competition on a handful of occasions, actually winning just the once, which I was delighted to attend. My knee jerk reaction then to seeing some of the pejorative remarks above, is to question what qualifies them to mock the efforts of all the past servants of the club I love and respect. I don't believe anyone is mocking what Hughes has achieved. However, I prefer to focus on what needs to be improved not what was done in the past. Leicester have just let their manager go because they aren't performing anywhere near the level of last season. That trophy looks nice in the cabinet; however, they can't sell it and put the cash in the bank because they don't own it. The league lent it to them until the end of the season. They can put a replica of the trophy in the cabinet and admire it all they want. However, it won't sell season tickets and a lot less people will be watching them on TV. I think we are at cross-purposes. I think criticizing current aspects of the club is fair game. What I think is unacceptable is making derisory comments about Stokes history. |
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Post by Gods on Feb 24, 2017 0:36:27 GMT
People who criticise what Stoke have achieved should be required to state what they have achieved in their lifetime. [Arguing over the quiz result and request for a rematch] Chris Finch: Right, I will throw anything you choose over this building. If I do it, we win the quiz. Right? David Brent: Yeah, so you choose anything. If he can throw it over, we've won the champagne. And that's it. And that's the real quiz. Choose one thing. Ricky: You really are a couple of sad little men, aren't you? Gareth: Oh yeah, they're sad little men. He's thrown a kettle over a pub. What have you ever done? |
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Post by kustokie on Feb 24, 2017 1:27:56 GMT
I don't believe anyone is mocking what Hughes has achieved. However, I prefer to focus on what needs to be improved not what was done in the past. Leicester have just let their manager go because they aren't performing anywhere near the level of last season. That trophy looks nice in the cabinet; however, they can't sell it and put the cash in the bank because they don't own it. The league lent it to them until the end of the season. They can put a replica of the trophy in the cabinet and admire it all they want. However, it won't sell season tickets and a lot less people will be watching them on TV. Ffs ku are determined to wring any last bit of romance out of the beautiful game. Reducing it to how many shirts and subscriptions you can shift. I know it's not your fault it's heading that way but it's disappointing that you continually condone it. Enjoy the journey and stop fretting about who's tuning in in Timbuktu mate. Good point. I'm trying! Edit: I am not condoning it. I am just trying to explain it. I effing hate it because I have seen what it has done "over here". |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Feb 24, 2017 1:38:20 GMT
Ffs ku are determined to wring any last bit of romance out of the beautiful game. Reducing it to how many shirts and subscriptions you can shift. I know it's not your fault it's heading that way but it's disappointing that you continually condone it. Enjoy the journey and stop fretting about who's tuning in in Timbuktu mate. Good point. I'm trying! Edit: I am not condoning it. I am just trying to explain it. I effing hate it because I have seen what it has done "over here". Sweet. I'm chuffed our Chairman's vote of confidence actually meant something. And though we may be swimming against the tide it seems we've chosen a longer term model of stability and continuity and hopefully an environment where talent can be developed and youth can break through. Rather than short termism, concentrating on generating funds to buy success. Feels to me we're getting closer to getting the balance right than many of our competitors. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Feb 24, 2017 5:24:41 GMT
Hughes out 😀
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Feb 24, 2017 8:10:08 GMT
Methinks you have forgotten the Autoglass Trophy - we've won it two times! Didn't we also win the watney Mann Anglo Scottish thingy once? The Watney Cup 1971/72 I think. |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 24, 2017 12:18:24 GMT
My point ku is that - criticizing a person, player, policy, decision, etc. is one thing, although personally I think it should always be done constructively with either a reason for the criticism or a suggestion of how things could be better (e.g. if you think Hughes should be sacked, I think it is apposite to suggest who should be the manager). Conversely deriding or mocking the club for its 150+ years history is another matter altogether. Firstly many clubs, indeed most clubs, have failed to achieve what Stoke have done during their history. I speak as an ex President of a small works club that plays in a minor league, of which there are thousands. Secondly during its history Stoke has had thousands of employees who have striven to do their best, whatever their role in the club. During that history the club has played at the highest league level for "most" of the time and come close to winning a major competition on a handful of occasions, actually winning just the once, which I was delighted to attend. My knee jerk reaction then to seeing some of the pejorative remarks above, is to question what qualifies them to mock the efforts of all the past servants of the club I love and respect. I suspect you have a rather anxious relationship with social media. |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Feb 24, 2017 12:55:51 GMT
Apologies if this has been done before.... It seems like only 5 minutes since Sparky took over yet already he is the 4th longest serving current Premiership Manager after Wenger, Howe & Dyche. Interested to know what the average tenure of a Premiership Manager is these days. About a season I guess?? Isn't the average tenure of a manager in Britain something like 18 months? I vaguely recall reading an article about it all at one stage. Hughes has done well at Stoke and converted us into a top-half Premier League side. I have seen a style of football and quality of player over the last four years that I never thought I would witness back 20 years ago when we were slogging it in the lower leagues. Hopefully we can keep building - I'm pretty happy with the job Hughes has done here so far! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 13:00:56 GMT
Methinks you have forgotten the Autoglass Trophy - we've won it two times! Didn't we also win the watney Mann Anglo Scottish thingy once? Almost right. But no involvement with the Jocks. It was known as Watney Mann Invitation Cup or simply The Watney Cup. 2 teams from each of the 4 divisions that had scored the most goals, excluding any promoted teams, or in the case of Div 1 any European qualified teams, were invited and we won it in 1973 beating Hull 2-0 in a single game at The Vic. It was really a bit of a pre season Mickey Mouse affair and only ran for 4 years. This would have been as a result of 72/73 season, as obviously 71/72 season was the League Cup win, therefore we wouldn't have been allowed to play, but 72/73 we won nowt and finished a lowly 15th, but scored 61 goals along the way, beating Arsenal, who were 2nd and no Cups but they only scored 57 goals, and for the record the other team from Div 1 were West Ham Utd who scored 67 and finished 6th.. |
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Post by madmickthe3rd on Feb 24, 2017 13:12:43 GMT
18 months sounds about right.
When you look at clubs like Sunderland, Newcastle ( I know they are championship temporarily) Palace, Swansea. They seem to change about every 6 months and yet don't ever improve as a result. Even the likes of Chelsea, Man U, Man City & Liverpool have all had a big turn over in the last few seasons. I think only the 20 plus years that Wenger has been at Arsenal, helps move the average to 18 months ish. But if you took him out of the equation and averaged the remainder, I wouldn't be surprised if it was somewhere around a year in reality.
Whilst I was very underwhelmed when Hughes was appointed ( I was when Pulis came the second time aswell! ) he has won me over completely and I think we are very lucky to have him.
Yes we need to keep building but i'm not sure we are going to be challenging the mega rich top six anytime soon if i'm being totally honest. I would love us to do a Leicester of course, but that probably happens once in a lifetime and probably never to a team like lil ol Stoke.
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Post by auntiegeorge on Mar 4, 2017 5:41:07 GMT
Hughes is the 2nd longest currently serving manager with the same club after Wenger.
If Wenger goes at the end of this season Hughes will be the longest serving current manager with the same club - in his 5th consecutive season from 2017-18.
Is that correct?
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 4, 2017 6:10:16 GMT
Hughes is the 2nd longest currently serving manager with the same club after Wenger. If Wenger goes at the end of this season Hughes will be the longest serving current manager with the same club - in his 5th consecutive season from 2017-18. Is that correct? In terms of serving while in the Premier League, yes. He's been the 2nd-longest serving Premier League manager for quite a while now. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 6:21:43 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 6:37:49 GMT
Average with Wenger is 2 yrs 168 Days.
Average without Wenger is 1 yr 188 Days.
So yes...18 Months...
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