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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 21, 2017 16:11:05 GMT
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Post by djduncanjames on Feb 21, 2017 16:22:31 GMT
Sigh  I mean I'm happy for him but still. Ugh..  |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Feb 21, 2017 16:27:25 GMT
wow he was a top player but he really has gone and done way better than most of us would have expected. Ill continue tracking his career, why he hasnt got a France call-up is a bit crazy.
His buy-out fee was increased from 30M to even more. Imagine they sell him for 50M???
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Post by penkvillepotter on Feb 21, 2017 16:30:30 GMT
He's dead to me. He chose Champions League, Sun, sea, sand and sangria. If he's happy with that then he can jolly we'll get on with it. I'll just eat my Oatcakes in the rain.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Feb 21, 2017 16:32:03 GMT
He's dead to me. He chose Champions League, Sun, sea, sand and sangria. If he's happy with that then he can jolly we'll get on with it. I'll just eat my Oatcakes in the rain. And for less money the tosser |
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Post by Northy on Feb 21, 2017 16:34:20 GMT
He's dead to me. He chose Champions League, Sun, sea, sand and sangria. If he's happy with that then he can jolly we'll get on with it. I'll just eat my Oatcakes in the rain. he's further away from the sea in Seville than he was in Stoke, whats wrong with Talacre .. the Judas  |
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 21, 2017 16:34:29 GMT
wow he was a top player but he really has gone and done way better than most of us would have expected. Ill continue tracking his career, why he hasnt got a France call-up is a bit crazy. His buy-out fee was increased from 30M to even more. Imagine they sell him for 50M??? I really did think he was in the top 10 central midfielders in the league when we sold him though (which is why I find all this talk of reinvention a bit OTT). He was playing in a bloody good team at the end of 2014-15 here, and he was head and shoulders the best player and absolutely bossing things. Just find it absolutely amazing that a big English club didn't put down £10m for him at that stage. Not sure there was a team in the country he couldn't have slotted into even then. |
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Post by djduncanjames on Feb 21, 2017 16:36:36 GMT
wow he was a top player but he really has gone and done way better than most of us would have expected. Ill continue tracking his career, why he hasnt got a France call-up is a bit crazy. His buy-out fee was increased from 30M to even more. Imagine they sell him for 50M??? This will go over great with benjaminbiscuit. |
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Post by Gods on Feb 21, 2017 16:40:26 GMT
wow he was a top player but he really has gone and done way better than most of us would have expected. Ill continue tracking his career, why he hasnt got a France call-up is a bit crazy. His buy-out fee was increased from 30M to even more. Imagine they sell him for 50M??? I really did think he was in the top 10 central midfielders in the league when we sold him though (which is why I find all this talk of reinvention a bit OTT). He was playing in a bloody good team at the end of 2014-15 here, and he was head and shoulders the best player and absolutely bossing things. Just find it absolutely amazing that a big English club didn't put down £10m for him at that stage. Not sure there was a team in the country he couldn't have slotted into even then. I remember a game at Goodison Park, it was Boxing Day 2014 and we won 1-0 with a penalty which Bojan won and scored. Everton were trying to get back in to the game and driving snow was starting to fall, it was an evocative winter scene at that famous old ground. Anyway the point is I wrote on here afterwards that N'Zonzi had 'strode the stage like some kind of colossus'. It was that day I realised just how good he we really was. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Feb 21, 2017 16:47:34 GMT
Mardy sulky twat like anelka , pretty average for two seasons then had good last season , he's gone we move on , welcome sadio show us the player you can be
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 21, 2017 16:51:21 GMT
Mardy sulky twat like anelka , pretty average for two seasons then had good last season , he's gone we move on , welcome sadio show us the player you can be Imbula ? |
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Post by jezzascfc on Feb 21, 2017 17:15:09 GMT
Everyone is just noticing now what we all saw in his last season at Stoke - that he is a world class box to box midfielder.
That we have struggled to replace him is well documented, that he was an incredibly hard act to follow, meaning we should cut the manager some slack in this regard, rather less so.
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Post by mattador78 on Feb 21, 2017 17:28:48 GMT
Shows he was happy at the club no one else in England was serious, he was looking for another challenge and he moved on. He talks well about our players and club so fair dos lad and good luck. The fees always going to be an issue for some but don't forget we got arnie for 2.5mill bet they feel like bigger twats than us for getting 7 for nzonzi. It's like bego he moved on to improve but wasn't able to push that extra nzonzi did, I know I'd rather watch him pushing on in la liga than pushing against us in the prem
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Post by bobdebilde on Feb 21, 2017 17:31:18 GMT
dont suppose weve got a sell on clause
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Post by nutterpotter on Feb 21, 2017 17:36:15 GMT
dont suppose weve got a sell on clause Unfortunately we don't. Scholes confirmed it a few weeks ago. Poor work really. |
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Post by WhyDelilah on Feb 21, 2017 17:40:11 GMT
wow he was a top player but he really has gone and done way better than most of us would have expected. Ill continue tracking his career, why he hasnt got a France call-up is a bit crazy. His buy-out fee was increased from 30M to even more. Imagine they sell him for 50M??? I really did think he was in the top 10 central midfielders in the league when we sold him though (which is why I find all this talk of reinvention a bit OTT). He was playing in a bloody good team at the end of 2014-15 here, and he was head and shoulders the best player and absolutely bossing things. Just find it absolutely amazing that a big English club didn't put down £10m for him at that stage. Not sure there was a team in the country he couldn't have slotted into even then. He was good, but he wasn't THAT good. If they're claiming he's the best player in Spain now then he's undoubtedly come on leaps and bounds. Even if he's just one of the best, that represents a bid step up since he left. To make a claim that a player is the best (or one of the best) in one of the major leagues, that puts you in the world class bracket. Some of the talent in England and Spain is frightening. To be amongst the very best of those would mean he's a better player now than when he left us. It wasn't until the very end of his tenure that he managed to put himself alongside the likes of Ryan and Bego as the best player at out club. And although some still argue we haven't replaced him, we've hardly dropped off in his absence (which you'd expect with the loss of a "special" player). He was always easy on the eye for me, and undoubtedly had bags of talent, I just don't buy into this idea that he was a truly special talent, the likes for which we haven't seen at our club for a very long time. |
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 21, 2017 17:47:31 GMT
dont suppose weve got a sell on clause  |
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 21, 2017 17:49:32 GMT
I really did think he was in the top 10 central midfielders in the league when we sold him though (which is why I find all this talk of reinvention a bit OTT). He was playing in a bloody good team at the end of 2014-15 here, and he was head and shoulders the best player and absolutely bossing things. Just find it absolutely amazing that a big English club didn't put down £10m for him at that stage. Not sure there was a team in the country he couldn't have slotted into even then. He was good, but he wasn't THAT good. If they're claiming he's the best player in Spain now then he's undoubtedly come on leaps and bounds. Even if he's just one of the best, that represents a bid step up since he left. To make a claim that a player is the best (or one of the best) in one of the major leagues, that puts you in the world class bracket. Some of the talent in England and Spain is frightening. To be amongst the very best of those would mean he's a better player now than when he left us. It wasn't until the very end of his tenure that he managed to put himself alongside the likes of Ryan and Bego as the best player at out club. And although some still argue we haven't replaced him, we've hardly dropped off in his absence (which you'd expect with the loss of a "special" player). He was always easy on the eye for me, and undoubtedly had bags of talent, I just don't buy into this idea that he was a truly special talent, the likes for which we haven't seen at our club for a very long time. We haven't seen the like of him since we sold him despite spending shed loads of cash on replacements. |
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Post by WhyDelilah on Feb 21, 2017 17:53:10 GMT
He was good, but he wasn't THAT good. If they're claiming he's the best player in Spain now then he's undoubtedly come on leaps and bounds. Even if he's just one of the best, that represents a bid step up since he left. To make a claim that a player is the best (or one of the best) in one of the major leagues, that puts you in the world class bracket. Some of the talent in England and Spain is frightening. To be amongst the very best of those would mean he's a better player now than when he left us. It wasn't until the very end of his tenure that he managed to put himself alongside the likes of Ryan and Bego as the best player at out club. And although some still argue we haven't replaced him, we've hardly dropped off in his absence (which you'd expect with the loss of a "special" player). He was always easy on the eye for me, and undoubtedly had bags of talent, I just don't buy into this idea that he was a truly special talent, the likes for which we haven't seen at our club for a very long time. We haven't seen the like of him since we sold him despite spending shed loads of cash on replacements. He was great technically, and carried the ball well and didn't waste many passes, but didn't score or get many assists. Similar to Affelay in many ways. |
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 21, 2017 17:53:11 GMT
Anyone who couldn't see Zonz'z class really wasn't looking very hard.
The best midfielder (probably player) since Hudson.
He would have improved any team in England when he left us. That no-one showed any interest says a lot about te laziness of the big clubs recruitment.
£12M Fernando
£34M Fernandinho
£30m Xhaka
£90M Pogba...etc
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Post by djduncanjames on Feb 21, 2017 17:59:41 GMT
It kinda bums me out that he is not here, and that we have potentially lost millions in sell-on fees from our Player of the Season. (Think he won it twice (youth?)
But I guess we should all remember he put 3 transfer requests in. He didn't "really" want to be here. We might have to get used to signing players whose ambitions are always bigger than our club from now on. Not everyone is like Ryan and Glenn
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Post by nonameface on Feb 21, 2017 18:38:49 GMT
We haven't seen the like of him since we sold him despite spending shed loads of cash on replacements. He was great technically, and carried the ball well and didn't waste many passes, but didn't score or get many assists. Similar to Affelay in many ways. Very similar to Affelay in style. That said Affelay has a little more grace on the ball and whilst physical cannot get near to Nzonzis physicality. Would love us to sign a hard working athletic player to work with Affelay for next season. |
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Post by nonameface on Feb 21, 2017 18:40:13 GMT
It kinda bums me out that he is not here, and that we have potentially lost millions in sell-on fees from our Player of the Season. (Think he won it twice (youth?) But I guess we should all remember he put 3 transfer requests in. He didn't "really" want to be here. We might have to get used to signing players whose ambitions are always bigger than our club from now on. Not everyone is like Ryan and Glenn Werent the first two transfer requests put in because we didnt deliver on verbal financial promises made to him? If so then those false promises were made to be costly on these ocassions. |
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Post by djduncanjames on Feb 21, 2017 18:50:19 GMT
It kinda bums me out that he is not here, and that we have potentially lost millions in sell-on fees from our Player of the Season. (Think he won it twice (youth?) But I guess we should all remember he put 3 transfer requests in. He didn't "really" want to be here. We might have to get used to signing players whose ambitions are always bigger than our club from now on. Not everyone is like Ryan and Glenn Werent the first two transfer requests put in because we didnt deliver on verbal financial promises made to him? If so then those false promises were made to be costly on these ocassions. Yea I think that was reported, but I guess his Dad was just using that to "generate a move"? I can't see us being a club that lies to players about financial reward. Who knows? However: If he wanted to stay on, wouldn't this be kind of "behind closed doors" dispute between his "money guy" and the board? Not "fuck this I'm outta here talk to my lawyers?" Remember PC getting involved at one stage |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Feb 21, 2017 18:52:16 GMT
It kinda bums me out that he is not here, and that we have potentially lost millions in sell-on fees from our Player of the Season. (Think he won it twice (youth?) But I guess we should all remember he put 3 transfer requests in. He didn't "really" want to be here. We might have to get used to signing players whose ambitions are always bigger than our club from now on. Not everyone is like Ryan and Glenn Werent the first two transfer requests put in because we didnt deliver on verbal financial promises made to him? If so then those false promises were made to be costly on these ocassions. You're probably right, but I don't think it's worth over analysing N'Zonzi's departure. Seemed like his old man was continually agitating too, and suppose the speculation over moves continues even now. He won player of the year but failed to attend the presentation evening. He appeared in court for domestic violence and was on bail at the time. Seemed very much the case that him and the missus and child needed to get out of dodge {to a happier place}. I think that was reflected in the numbers involved in the deal. He was pretty much the finished article {imo} in his last six months once Hughes broke his aversion to going forward, having a shot and that.. Another season with us would have been great, but we were lucky to have him for 5{?} seasons, I fear the reality would have been a very unhappy Steven. |
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Post by Gods on Feb 21, 2017 18:56:45 GMT
dont suppose weve got a sell on clause No, our transfer team were not to be deflected from their twin strategic goals of 'wasted time' and 'negative profit' (Only joking folks!) |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 21, 2017 18:57:23 GMT
Anyone who couldn't see Zonz'z class really wasn't looking very hard. The best midfielder (probably player) since Hudson. He would have improved any team in England when he left us. That no-one showed any interest says a lot about te laziness of the big clubs recruitment. £12M Fernando £34M Fernandinho £30m Xhaka £90M Pogba...etc He would have easily improved Arsenal, and I was amazed they never came in for him. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 19:32:54 GMT
It kinda bums me out that he is not here, and that we have potentially lost millions in sell-on fees from our Player of the Season. (Think he won it twice (youth?) But I guess we should all remember he put 3 transfer requests in. He didn't "really" want to be here. We might have to get used to signing players whose ambitions are always bigger than our club from now on. Not everyone is like Ryan and Glenn Shaqiri? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 21, 2017 19:46:57 GMT
I really did think he was in the top 10 central midfielders in the league when we sold him though (which is why I find all this talk of reinvention a bit OTT). He was playing in a bloody good team at the end of 2014-15 here, and he was head and shoulders the best player and absolutely bossing things. Just find it absolutely amazing that a big English club didn't put down £10m for him at that stage. Not sure there was a team in the country he couldn't have slotted into even then. He was good, but he wasn't THAT good. If they're claiming he's the best player in Spain now then he's undoubtedly come on leaps and bounds. Even if he's just one of the best, that represents a bid step up since he left. To make a claim that a player is the best (or one of the best) in one of the major leagues, that puts you in the world class bracket. Some of the talent in England and Spain is frightening. To be amongst the very best of those would mean he's a better player now than when he left us. It wasn't until the very end of his tenure that he managed to put himself alongside the likes of Ryan and Bego as the best player at out club. And although some still argue we haven't replaced him, we've hardly dropped off in his absence (which you'd expect with the loss of a "special" player). He was always easy on the eye for me, and undoubtedly had bags of talent, I just don't buy into this idea that he was a truly special talent, the likes for which we haven't seen at our club for a very long time. He was though. |
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Post by WhyDelilah on Feb 21, 2017 19:48:08 GMT
He was good, but he wasn't THAT good. If they're claiming he's the best player in Spain now then he's undoubtedly come on leaps and bounds. Even if he's just one of the best, that represents a bid step up since he left. To make a claim that a player is the best (or one of the best) in one of the major leagues, that puts you in the world class bracket. Some of the talent in England and Spain is frightening. To be amongst the very best of those would mean he's a better player now than when he left us. It wasn't until the very end of his tenure that he managed to put himself alongside the likes of Ryan and Bego as the best player at out club. And although some still argue we haven't replaced him, we've hardly dropped off in his absence (which you'd expect with the loss of a "special" player). He was always easy on the eye for me, and undoubtedly had bags of talent, I just don't buy into this idea that he was a truly special talent, the likes for which we haven't seen at our club for a very long time. He was though. Nahhhh. He clearly wasn't. |
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