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Post by StokieBoy31 on Feb 9, 2017 14:37:34 GMT
Sorry if posted but this does raise questions on our training plans? The team do get fatigued in the last 15-20 minutes of games.  |
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Post by kustokie on Feb 9, 2017 14:42:27 GMT
Somehow, this doesn't surprise me. Most of them look knackered after about 60 minutes. You know you have a problem when the fittest looking player in the squad is Charlie Adam and we pay 12 million for striker that has more chins than the Beijing telephone directory.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 9, 2017 14:46:31 GMT
Somehow, this doesn't surprise me. Most of them look knackered after about 60 minutes. You know you have a problem when the fittest looking player in the squad is Charlie Adam and we pay 12 million for striker that has more chins than the Beijing telephone directory. Just out of interest who do you think looks knackered after 60 minutes? |
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Post by block30row19 on Feb 9, 2017 14:58:59 GMT
Maybe he's just a lazy bastard and needs take note of the way other players train like Johnny.
Just saying like 😎
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 15:04:42 GMT
I'm not surprised anymore. Our lacklustre pre-seasons and our start to the season, let alone injuries throughout strongly hint at this
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Post by liamo on Feb 9, 2017 15:08:47 GMT
Honestly, i've thought this way for a while now, no evidence to back it up but from just watching a lot of premier league games we look very unfit compared to some
Liverpool game is a prime example, we were able to play them at their own game for about 30 minutes, then we were fucked
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 9, 2017 15:10:02 GMT
maybe that was why he was on the bench at Stoke
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 9, 2017 15:21:09 GMT
Honestly, i've thought this way for a while now, no evidence to back it up but from just watching a lot of premier league games we look very unfit compared to some Liverpool game is a prime example, we were able to play them at their own game for about 30 minutes, then we were fucked I honestly can't say I've watched us and thought we looked fucked as a team in any game. The odd player possibly but not collectively. What I have seen time and again, and Liverpool was a prime example is us play an aggressive attacking game, deservedely take the lead then completely stop playing, sit back and let the opposition back into the game. It happened against Liverpool, The Shit, Chelsea and most devastatingly Leicester. It's no lack of fitness in my opinion it's either mentality or tactical. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 15:23:33 GMT
Honestly, i've thought this way for a while now, no evidence to back it up but from just watching a lot of premier league games we look very unfit compared to some Liverpool game is a prime example, we were able to play them at their own game for about 30 minutes, then we were fucked The same Liverpool that appear to have completely ran out of steam these last few weeks you mean? |
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 9, 2017 15:23:34 GMT
For pretty much all of Hughes' time here, we've usually had a scintillating first 40 minutes followed by a massive drop in intensity.
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Post by Gods on Feb 9, 2017 15:27:24 GMT
This one was flogged mercilessly to death earlier today on the "Meet the manager" thread if anyone still has an appetite for more.
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Post by coupe on Feb 9, 2017 15:45:54 GMT
Somehow, this doesn't surprise me. Most of them look knackered after about 60 minutes. You know you have a problem when the fittest looking player in the squad is Charlie Adam and we pay 12 million for striker that has more chins than the Beijing telephone directory. Just out of interest who do you think looks knackered after 60 minutes? How wold he know he never goes just comes on this site to run the club down |
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Post by Davef on Feb 9, 2017 15:59:26 GMT
Mainz's intensity based training has seem them lose 9 of their last 16 games.
Still, if it allows you to rubbish your own club.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 16:12:08 GMT
Mainz's intensity based training has seem them lose 9 of their last 16 games. Still, if it allows you to rubbish your own club. That's a fair point Dave and there are plenty of folk who love to stick the boot into their own club and it's staff. But do you honestly believe our players are as fit as they could possibly be, and that our pre-season fitness regime is as thorough as it could be because the evidence before our eyes definitely suggests not, doesn't it? |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 9, 2017 16:12:43 GMT
Don't pretty well all managers and clubs claim that their own training methods are better or more intesive than those of other clubs? I seem to have heard a lot of claims when players move that they are now training at a higher level of intensity. Strangely enough I have never heard any manager say that his club's training is at a lower level than the level of other clubs. Nor have I ever heard a player say that he's having an easier time in training at his new club.
This is one of those things which we have to take with a huge pinch of salt. One thing does seem likely and that is that some managers get the players training earlier with a ball in preseason than others. Our current manager gets the players using a ball on the second day - much earlier than some managers.
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Post by pez75 on Feb 9, 2017 16:17:22 GMT
So according to the Oatcake brains trust our training is not keeping the players fit enough but is also responsible for all our players injuries? Its a wonder we are not bottom of the league with this shower eh?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 9, 2017 16:23:40 GMT
Mainz's intensity based training has seem them lose 9 of their last 16 games. Still, if it allows you to rubbish your own club. That's a fair point Dave and there are plenty of folk who love to stick the boot into their own club and it's staff. But do you honestly believe our players are as fit as they could possibly be, and that our pre-season fitness regime is as thorough as it could be because the evidence before our eyes definitely suggests not, doesn't it? It would be interesting to hear Joe Allen's impression of our training and sports science approach. Having come from a high intensity, fitness reliant team and he's clearly as fit as a butchers dog, he would be the best one to ask. I suppose we'll never know. |
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Post by capto on Feb 9, 2017 16:24:57 GMT
One of Hughes pet excuses is we were too slow out of the blocks - let alone the slow starts to every season? So, if he knows this, why doesn't he rectify it?
Saturday, 7th January 2017: Stoke City 0 Wolves 2; the day Mark Hughes, Marko Arnoutovic, Bojan, Shaqiri and Imbula showed how much they care about the fans and the club.
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Post by Davef on Feb 9, 2017 16:26:00 GMT
Mainz's intensity based training has seem them lose 9 of their last 16 games. Still, if it allows you to rubbish your own club. That's a fair point Dave and there are plenty of folk who love to stick the boot into their own club and it's staff. But do you honestly believe our players are as fit as they could possibly be, and that our pre-season fitness regime is as thorough as it could be because the evidence before our eyes definitely suggests not, doesn't it? It's not an issue that overly bothers me to be honest. I'm more concerned with our woeful finishing in front of goal which has cost us points in a lot of games this season more than a perceived lack of fitness. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 9, 2017 16:43:34 GMT
I don't see how anyone could argue that we struggle to keep it going for 90 minutes in the vast majority of games. Not sure whether it is physical, mental or tactical but it most definitely is a thing.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Feb 9, 2017 16:44:36 GMT
That's a fair point Dave and there are plenty of folk who love to stick the boot into their own club and it's staff. But do you honestly believe our players are as fit as they could possibly be, and that our pre-season fitness regime is as thorough as it could be because the evidence before our eyes definitely suggests not, doesn't it? It would be interesting to hear Joe Allen's impression of our training and sports science approach. Having come from a high intensity, fitness reliant team and he's clearly as fit as a butchers dog, he would be the best one to ask. I suppose we'll never know. Joe did an interview early season (perhaps post man utd OT) he was full of praise. Of course it could have been platitudes but he dunner seem the kind of bloke to bullshit unnecessarily. Cant link off me phone soz. Might try later. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 9, 2017 16:49:35 GMT
It would be interesting to hear Joe Allen's impression of our training and sports science approach. Having come from a high intensity, fitness reliant team and he's clearly as fit as a butchers dog, he would be the best one to ask. I suppose we'll never know. Joe did an interview early season (perhaps post man utd OT) he was full of praise. Of course it could have been platitudes but he dunner seem the kind of bloke to bullshit unnecessarily. Cant link off me phone soz. Might try later. Well there you go. Like has been said he's unlikely to pipe up and say the training's wank and far too easy is he but he needn't have praised it either if it was. Still it keeps some on here happy. Keep on thrashing. |
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Post by wearepremierleague on Feb 9, 2017 16:51:31 GMT
I'm beginning to question whether our players do training at all
First we had Wilson saying we don't do defending
Then Bojan is doing more fitness for a bottom half Bundesliga club
And the way we play hoofball for 90% of the time then sign a striker no good in the air, with no plan on how to get it to his feet hence he has 4 touches in 35 minutes.
What are they actually doing?
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Feb 9, 2017 16:52:33 GMT
The number of muscle injuries we get, the number of leads we bottle, the fact we look unfit a lot of times, the fact we don't run as many miles as other clubs do, makes you think that maybe the training isn't up to scratch.
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Post by pottersrule on Feb 9, 2017 16:53:45 GMT
For pretty much all of Hughes' time here, we've usually had a scintillating first 40 minutes followed by a massive drop in intensity. That just isn't true. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 17:01:29 GMT
I'm beginning to question whether our players do training at all First we had Wilson saying we don't do defending Then Bojan is doing more fitness for a bottom half Bundesliga club And the way we play hoofball for 90% of the time then sign a striker no good in the air, with no plan on how to get it to his feet hence he has 4 touches in 35 minutes. What are they actually doing?Playing FIFA. Walking the dog. Giving their WAGS a good seeing to. We do nothing, which is why we're stranded at the bottom of the most competitive league in the world. What was that we're sitting comfortably in mid-table?? Surely not.... |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 9, 2017 17:04:39 GMT
I'm beginning to question whether our players do training at all First we had Wilson saying we don't do defending Then Bojan is doing more fitness for a bottom half Bundesliga club And the way we play hoofball for 90% of the time then sign a striker no good in the air, with no plan on how to get it to his feet hence he has 4 touches in 35 minutes. What are they actually doing? We tip it then we tap it then we repeat it😄 |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Feb 9, 2017 17:04:56 GMT
I don't see how anyone could argue that we struggle to keep it going for 90 minutes in the vast majority of games. Not sure whether it is physical, mental or tactical but it most definitely is a thing. Combination of factors I'd say. Ultimately the training methods are at the heart of the mini revolution in footballing style, approach and intent. Stuff like football more based on using ball not body, but also pushing players to the Limits of their nogger abilty. I reckon it's a balance, not cut and dried but Hughes and co's ethos tips towards the individual rather than team. Most teams have a period of that indefinable gelling/clicking. Perhaps more pronounced for us because we're attempting risky football and we tend to microscope it too. Looks shit when it breaks down. And there's the periodisation thing too. I think the goalie, finishing, individual brainfarts, even the officiating, crap subbing early doors have all had a bigger influence than fitness/prep. Imo. Always room for review and reform, which happens, always room for a tweak or two. No longer a big issue for me. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 9, 2017 17:04:57 GMT
The number of muscle injuries we get, the number of leads we bottle, the fact we look unfit a lot of times, the fact we don't run as many miles as other clubs do, makes you think that maybe the training isn't up to scratch. Can you post up the mileage stats? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 17:05:14 GMT
That's a fair point Dave and there are plenty of folk who love to stick the boot into their own club and it's staff. But do you honestly believe our players are as fit as they could possibly be, and that our pre-season fitness regime is as thorough as it could be because the evidence before our eyes definitely suggests not, doesn't it? It's not an issue that overly bothers me to be honest. I'm more concerned with our woeful finishing in front of goal which has cost us points in a lot of games this season more than a perceived lack of fitness. Perhaps if they were fitter and sharper they would be burying these chances  |
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