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Post by gingerninja on Jan 22, 2017 18:52:56 GMT
That in the last 18 months we have actually regressed playing wise. The games that particularly get my alarm bells sounding were Southampton at home when we didn't even threaten when although we only had 10 men other teams still ask questions. Leicester at hope when we created zilch 2nd half against 10 men and were hanging on and yesterday although Man Utd are a good team we created again very little after we scored...what is the underlying problem?
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Post by sean on Jan 22, 2017 19:16:50 GMT
A year ago after 22 matches we had won 9 drawn 6 and lost 7 whilst scoring 24 goals and conceding 22 this season we have won 7 drawn 7 and lost 8 scoring 28 and conceding 34. There is not not a massive difference from last year and in my opinion if Jack had been fit we would have had more points and conceded a few less goals this season.
There is no underlying problem we are a mid table team who can beat anyone on a good day and lose to anyone on a bad day over the course of a season we will have more good days than bad and end up somewhere in the top 10 once again.
We have a good manager and the best squad we have ever had and the squad is being improved in every transfer window!!!
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 22, 2017 19:29:48 GMT
That in the last 18 months we have actually regressed playing wise. The games that particularly get my alarm bells sounding were Southampton at home when we didn't even threaten when although we only had 10 men other teams still ask questions. Leicester at hope when we created zilch 2nd half against 10 men and were hanging on and yesterday although Man Utd are a good team we created again very little after we scored...what is the underlying problem? Don't matter how many chances you have , goals win games , two draws against the shit is fine by me , Leicester champions last season dog shit this season that's football |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 19:35:28 GMT
That in the last 18 months we have actually regressed playing wise. The games that particularly get my alarm bells sounding were Southampton at home when we didn't even threaten when although we only had 10 men other teams still ask questions. Leicester at hope when we created zilch 2nd half against 10 men and were hanging on and yesterday although Man Utd are a good team we created again very little after we scored... what is the underlying problem?You worry too much. |
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Post by mouseykanga2 on Jan 22, 2017 19:36:25 GMT
Spot on ginj....its we keep buying the odd expensive or so player but the actual threat from midfield is poor to say the least. Imbula needs to play in front of the midfield. So he can relax and do what hes good at.running at the opposition.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 19:36:36 GMT
We are comfortable in mid table, I don't have any real, real concerns.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 19:52:47 GMT
Utd aren't the type of team, this season in particular, who afford you chance after chance unless you're Arsenal or Chelsea.
Thought we weren't toothless yesterday; far from it. Some great rewriting of history from the Shit fans all over the internet and the media...we don't need our own fans doing it.
We definitely rode our luck at times yesterday, and were dominated for sections. But we still were desperately unlucky not to get three points. It doesn't always need to be about swashbuckling attacking football.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jan 22, 2017 19:53:49 GMT
I suppose walking away yesterday slightly disappointed at drawing with Man U is cause for concern.
I see the story of the season a bit differently.
It's certainly not perfect {that's the nature of the beast}, but it's plenty good enough for me and I'm enjoying the journey.
The challenges this season imo have been:
The flair balance and form, normal football stuff.
The initial keeper and defence situation.
Bony not firing properly.
Zonal Marking.
Individual defensive errors.
Arnie's ban just as we were kicking in and facing three tasty fixtures.
An extremely competitive set of opponents who rarely give fuck all away.
Anyone 'normal' wouldn't celebrate a Stoke goal like we do, they wouldn't exaggerate the disappointments in quite the same way either. Being a fan.
But I don't think this season has been bad at all so far.
Seen a more complete unit who can play good football but also dig in. Set pieces and even subbing is improved on previous seasons.
We set up always to cause teams problems and win.
He shown tactical flexibility and managed a series of niggling injury issues well- Butland, Johnson, Muniesa, Cameron, Whelan, Shaq, Shawcross, Walters all missing games.
Set fair for the second half of the season.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 22, 2017 20:00:51 GMT
That in the last 18 months we have actually regressed playing wise. The games that particularly get my alarm bells sounding were Southampton at home when we didn't even threaten when although we only had 10 men other teams still ask questions. Leicester at hope when we created zilch 2nd half against 10 men and were hanging on and yesterday although Man Utd are a good team we created again very little after we scored... what is the underlying problem?I think regressed is the wrong word, but I think there has been a change in our results when you examine our performance so far: www.soccerstats.com/team.asp?league=england&teamid=16On the positive side we have generally been better at not dropping points against lowly sides, which has always been an aggravating habit of Stoke. This season we have generally won or drawn matches against bottom half teams. I know some will quickly point out that we lost to Bournemouth and Palace, but I would reply that we were much the better side against Bournemouth, but the result went against the play (like yesterday and the Hull ELC match) and against Palace we were playing zonal defence for the first time and made a harsh of it in the first 11 minutes. On the negative side, Stoke aren't performing as well against the top teams. We haven't beaten any of the teams above us and seem to have lost the ability to rise to the occasion against the big clubs and spring a surprise, something we have been habitually good at since arriving in the Prem. We are still well placed to have our best season as we only have to visit Spurs and ManC of the top clubs. If we can continue not to lose against teams below us and spring the odd surprise against a couple of top clubs we could do better than 9th but that is also dependent on West Brom and Everton slipping up, which is partly in our hands. |
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Post by starkiller on Jan 22, 2017 20:01:21 GMT
If we are going to be staying in the premier league, long term, there will be many seasons like this one.
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Post by bolders on Jan 22, 2017 20:06:57 GMT
Spot on ginj....its we keep buying the odd expensive or so player but the actual threat from midfield is poor to say the least. Imbula needs to play in front of the midfield. So he can relax and do what hes good at.running at the opposition. here is something you might of forgotten, yes we do buy the odd expensive player, but the other teams buy the odd or even more expensive players to negate our threat. You have to spend big in this league just to stand still nowadays. |
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Post by Royal Donut on Jan 22, 2017 20:10:15 GMT
That in the last 18 months we have actually regressed playing wise. The games that particularly get my alarm bells sounding were Southampton at home when we didn't even threaten when although we only had 10 men other teams still ask questions. Leicester at hope when we created zilch 2nd half against 10 men and were hanging on and yesterday although Man Utd are a good team we created again very little after we scored...what is the underlying problem? Haha good joke |
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Post by ashtonstokie on Jan 22, 2017 20:14:25 GMT
I don't think this seasons been to bad and I've especially enjoyed going away from home. I feel we have a chance before every match and we've gotten something out of quite a few away matches.
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Post by onyourbonce on Jan 22, 2017 20:19:02 GMT
Just fuck off will you. Jesus Christ what is wrong with some people? Whilst we all aspire to be better, we are doing just fine! Things can't be perfect all the time and while people point out that oh we had nothing agenst Southampton, oh we let a 2 goal lead slip vs Leicester with 10 men (which by my own admission is fuckin poor), we went to Watford and won dominating the game, we went to Sunderland and trashed them and had the game won in 35 minutes, we swept aside the likes of Burnley, Swansea, Watford again at home and also Sunderland, without breaking a sweat. Some fans always look out for the negatives and never the positives. We are never gonna have a season where everything falls into place like Leicester had last year. Enjoy the prem, enjoy playin the top teams and having everything on the line every game. As much as I love reading this board it pisses me off
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Post by Gods on Jan 22, 2017 20:24:31 GMT
I think the reason we have lost the feel good factor is 2-fold:
1. We flunked both cup competitions the best chance of excitement for a club of our size
2. We haven't taken down a big beast of the jungle since Boxing Day 2015
No real real concerns just an absence of adrenalin pumping moments.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 20:26:45 GMT
A year ago after 22 matches we had won 9 drawn 6 and lost 7 whilst scoring 24 goals and conceding 22 this season we have won 7 drawn 7 and lost 8 scoring 28 and conceding 34. There is not not a massive difference from last year and in my opinion if Jack had been fit we would have had more points and conceded a few less goals this season. There is no underlying problem we are a mid table team who can beat anyone on a good day and lose to anyone on a bad day over the course of a season we will have more good days than bad and end up somewhere in the top 10 once again. We have a good manager and the best squad we have ever had and the squad is being improved in every transfer window!!! Too much common sense, reality, objectivity and calm state of mind. Are you sure you're on the right website? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 20:30:14 GMT
I think the reason we have lost the feel good factor is 2-fold: 1. We flunked both cup competitions the best chance of excitement for a club of our size 2. We haven't taken down a big beast of the jungle since Boxing Day 2015 No real real concerns just an absence of adrenalin pumping moments. Agreed, though I think too many four goal thumpings during 2016 has probably been the killer as far as supporter morale is concerned. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 20:35:01 GMT
A year ago after 22 matches we had won 9 drawn 6 and lost 7 whilst scoring 24 goals and conceding 22 this season we have won 7 drawn 7 and lost 8 scoring 28 and conceding 34. There is not not a massive difference from last year and in my opinion if Jack had been fit we would have had more points and conceded a few less goals this season. There is no underlying problem we are a mid table team who can beat anyone on a good day and lose to anyone on a bad day over the course of a season we will have more good days than bad and end up somewhere in the top 10 once again. We have a good manager and the best squad we have ever had and the squad is being improved in every transfer window!!!  |
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Post by Gods on Jan 22, 2017 20:45:27 GMT
I think the reason we have lost the feel good factor is 2-fold: 1. We flunked both cup competitions the best chance of excitement for a club of our size 2. We haven't taken down a big beast of the jungle since Boxing Day 2015 No real real concerns just an absence of adrenalin pumping moments. Agreed, though I think too many four goal thumpings during 2016 has probably been the killer as far as supporter morale is concerned. I had started to type that as #3 but decided most people can't handle 3 things on here  |
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Post by superheroantonius on Jan 23, 2017 9:15:37 GMT
Totally chillied at the moment
But if grant was to get injured I would have real real concerns
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Post by Gods on Jan 23, 2017 14:30:27 GMT
Totally chillied at the moment But if grant was to get injured I would have real real concerns Were that to happen it would be really really concerning. |
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Post by blurtonboy on Jan 23, 2017 14:38:16 GMT
Just glad I am a Stoke fan, if I were a Sunderland, Hull, Palace, Swansea, Boro, Watford or Leicester fan, then I would have real, real, real concerns.
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Post by futch on Jan 23, 2017 14:46:42 GMT
Totally chillied at the moment But if grant was to get injured I would have real real concerns Were that to happen it would be really really concerning. It really really would. |
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Post by claytonscrubs on Jan 23, 2017 14:47:10 GMT
If I was a Sunderland fan I would be concerned. ..As things stand we are sitting in are familiar 9th place ..So just chill out and don't worry...
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Post by futch on Jan 23, 2017 14:48:15 GMT
Agreed, though I think too many four goal thumpings during 2016 has probably been the killer as far as supporter morale is concerned. I had started to type that as #3 but decided most people can't handle 3 things on here 3 things can cause real real concerns to many people. |
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Post by Bowyer83 on Jan 23, 2017 15:01:01 GMT
If I was a Sunderland fan I would be concerned. ..As things stand we are sitting in are familiar 9th place ..So just chill out and don't worry... I think concerned is an understatement 😉 |
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Post by claytonscrubs on Jan 23, 2017 15:48:13 GMT
If I was a Sunderland fan I would be concerned. ..As things stand we are sitting in are familiar 9th place ..So just chill out and don't worry... I think concerned is an understatement 😉 Yeah....Bricking it !...Would have been a better word to use  |
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 23, 2017 16:25:46 GMT
That in the last 18 months we have actually regressed playing wise. The games that particularly get my alarm bells sounding were Southampton at home when we didn't even threaten when although we only had 10 men other teams still ask questions. Leicester at hope when we created zilch 2nd half against 10 men and were hanging on and yesterday although Man Utd are a good team we created again very little after we scored...what is the underlying problem? Forget all these happy clappy answers! The real underlying problem is ...... We are NOT Manchester United! Looking at it a totally different way, you could point out that this is the first time in 4.2 gazillion years that ManU has not beaten us in a season, or that in the past 18 months, we beat Liverpool at Anfield, or that we have broken our transfer record repeatedly, or that we have 2 excellent players that are very capable/probable of being full England regulars, or ...... Holy cow! I'd hate to see your reaction if we were having Sunderland's season! |
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Post by richardparker on Jan 23, 2017 16:42:32 GMT
To pacify these people who are still moaning, ... can we lose our manager to a bigger club; get in someone like Mancini (who would never ever consider coming here, but if he did, would prefer to be somewhere else); go on a run of 1 or 2 points in 10 matches; and have the mother of all relegation battles ...
Before finally going down (probably never to return); just so that these Premier League Stoke City fans can have 1 season of squeeky bottom, edge of your (toilet-) seat excitement ((before disappearing from our memories completely). Alternatively, why don't you just go and support Sunderland or Hull!?
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Post by alansuddick on Jan 23, 2017 21:14:52 GMT
Just glad I am a Stoke fan, if I were a Sunderland, Hull, Palace, Swansea, Boro, Watford or Leicester fan, then I would have real, real, real concerns. If I was a Leicester fan id still have a constant grin on my face, win lose or draw id still be basking in the fact my team were champions .something im never gonna see in my lifetime. |
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