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Post by numpty40 on Jan 22, 2017 17:07:20 GMT
Watching Chelsea v Hull, Hull pull everyone back at corners and they can't get out of their own half, they clear well but the ball comes straight back as no-one is there to challenge the loose ball.
We do it and it just invites pressure. What use is Shaq in our box when he could be better used on the half way line occupying 2/3 opposing players.
Never understood the need to bring everyone back.
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Post by mattador78 on Jan 22, 2017 17:10:23 GMT
Watching Chelsea v Hull, Hull pull everyone back at corners and they can't get out of their own half, they clear well but the ball comes straight back as no-one is there to challenge the loose ball. We do it and it just invites pressure. What use is Shaq in our box when he could be better used on the half way line occupying 2/3 opposing players. Never understood the need to bring everyone back. Agreed its the one thing about hughes i question everygame |
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Post by fraybentos on Jan 22, 2017 17:12:00 GMT
Watching Chelsea v Hull, Hull pull everyone back at corners and they can't get out of their own half, they clear well but the ball comes straight back as no-one is there to challenge the loose ball. We do it and it just invites pressure. What use is Shaq in our box when he could be better used on the half way line occupying 2/3 opposing players. Never understood the need to bring everyone back. It's as bad as seeing shaq in the wall on free kicks |
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Post by kustokie on Jan 22, 2017 17:15:14 GMT
I have never really understood why they need everyone back. They get in each other's way and it tends to be mass confusion. This is especially true now teams are all using zonal marking.
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 22, 2017 17:21:38 GMT
Talking of the Chelsea v Hull game, Harry Maguire impresses me more every time I see him
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 20:08:04 GMT
That's the one mistake Stoke made yesterday. As soon as I'd have seen who was taking that free kick, I'd have put a man on either post plus the obvious goaly, just to make sure that odious tweot couldn't score. Crouchy would have been the man behind our goalkeeper. Therefore he would not have been able to score! Simples! I think I'll apply for the next vacant manager's job. These pro's haven't got a clue. And no, I've not been drinking! Lol.
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Post by philb on Jan 22, 2017 20:25:02 GMT
It's quite amazing that with everyone back we couldn't get anyone on or near the far post for Shreks free kick.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 20:36:00 GMT
Stick Shaq on one flag on the half way line and Arnie on the other flag. Takes a very brave team not to leave at least 3 men back to defend against them.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 22, 2017 20:36:35 GMT
How's a man on the post going to help with the goal yesterday?
It allows them to have someone standing on the keeper and where he put it, no man on the post stops that.
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Post by Theninjabadger on Jan 22, 2017 20:44:36 GMT
I remember playing someone at home a few years back at the left 3 men on the half way line, 1 either side and 1 down the middle and we had to leave 4 or 5 players back to deal with it. Not only does it leave a decent counter attack option it makes the box far less crowded and much easier to defend.
Every game it fucking baffles me bringing Shaqiri back. He won't win a header and is always asleep to a short corner
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Post by kustokie on Jan 22, 2017 21:13:31 GMT
I remember playing someone at home a few years back at the left 3 men on the half way line, 1 either side and 1 down the middle and we had to leave 4 or 5 players back to deal with it. Not only does it leave a decent counter attack option it makes the box far less crowded and much easier to defend. Every game it fucking baffles me bringing Shaqiri back. He won't win a header and is always asleep to a short corner I always tell my kids that. Leave 2 or 3 players on the halfway line for corners and free kicks and they have to keep at least as many back on defense. It's not rocket science. |
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Post by kustokie on Jan 22, 2017 21:15:26 GMT
How's a man on the post going to help with the goal yesterday? It allows them to have someone standing on the keeper and where he put it, no man on the post stops that. It's not because marking the posts only works on corners when there's no offside. Sorry, Bayern. I know you know this but apparently some don't. |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jan 22, 2017 21:36:56 GMT
Not having a little outlet man on the half way line on opposition corners is the missing piece of the jigsaw.
Does me head in.
Perhaps that's where Berahino might come in. Fingers crossed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 21:41:23 GMT
The whole idea would have been to make sure that scouser wouldn't have got his goal to beat Charlton's. I'd have had two men and the goaly back, as I've said. He would not have scored then. The chances are the ball would have been cleared, irrespective of who was where. No doubt soon after the final whistle would have gone. Big mistake IMHO. Because of his undoubtable skill taking free kicks, it was obvious that he would have tried something like he did. Like I said. One big mistake let him in! Minutes to go. Just stop him scoring. Game over! Oh, and by the way, don't take on the post too literally!
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Post by RichJonesy on Jan 22, 2017 21:44:04 GMT
One mark, one cover.
That's what we were told.
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Post by Stoke711 on Jan 22, 2017 21:56:06 GMT
Exactly the more players we leave up, the less they can put in the box, then giving our defenders who are in the box, space to run and attack the ball, rather than get blocked off by player x while player y has a free header. Also makes it easier for the keeper to come and claim it. If they still pile the box, then the break is always on.
Fotball is about being positive, never understand why so many managers take a negative look towards situations
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Post by AlliG on Jan 22, 2017 22:00:24 GMT
I remember playing someone at home a few years back at the left 3 men on the half way line, 1 either side and 1 down the middle and we had to leave 4 or 5 players back to deal with it. Not only does it leave a decent counter attack option it makes the box far less crowded and much easier to defend.
Every game it fucking baffles me bringing Shaqiri back. He won't win a header and is always asleep to a short corner I remember listening to a manager (forgotten who)on the radio one night discussing that very point. He made the same argument about the box being less crowded but came to the opposite conclusion that it was easier to score with less players in the box. The "less good in the air" players were basically there to "get in the way" and prevent the good headers having a clear run at the ball. I guess it comes down to whether the manager is a glass half-full or half-empty type of person. |
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Post by muglump on Jan 22, 2017 22:12:10 GMT
Always been a bugbear of mine. There was another stoke manager who did that. Can't honestly remember who. Might as well leave any little nippy guys in the team half up the pitch. Means they cant commit all their defenders up front and gives a chance on the break. Not the biggest deal though
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 22, 2017 22:30:24 GMT
It reminds me of Mick Mills.
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Post by bigdev on Jan 22, 2017 23:41:46 GMT
There is a meet the manager night in 2 weeks maybe we could ask him this question.
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