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Post by slother on Jan 19, 2017 13:36:13 GMT
Frederic Kanoute: "I'm more effective [in Spain] because the culture is that people will praise, appreciate and understand you if you use your energy sparingly and intelligently. In England there was a general groan about players who didn't chase a lost cause."
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 19, 2017 13:38:08 GMT
Frederic Kanoute: "I'm more effective [in Spain] because the culture is that people will praise, appreciate and understand you if you use your energy sparingly and intelligently. In England there was a general groan about players who didn't chase a lost cause." Lazy sod.
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Post by strettonstokie on Jan 19, 2017 13:38:40 GMT
Frederic Kanoute: "I'm more effective [in Spain] because the culture is that people will praise, appreciate and understand you if you use your energy sparingly and intelligently. In England there was a general groan about players who didn't chase a lost cause." theres definitely something in that people praise walters all the time think hes brilliant because he runs around all day but still ends up doing the square root of fuck all where as bony gets slated for being lazy when as a team we played much better with him
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Post by wuzza on Jan 19, 2017 13:51:27 GMT
Frederic Kanoute: "I'm more effective [in Spain] because the culture is that people will praise, appreciate and understand you if you use your energy sparingly and intelligently. In England there was a general groan about players who didn't chase a lost cause." theres definitely something in that people praise walters all the time think hes brilliant because he runs around all day but still ends up doing the square root of fuck all where as bony gets slated for being lazy when as a team we played much better with him That will be our top PL goal scorer doing the square root is it?
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Post by bojanwonder on Jan 19, 2017 13:55:57 GMT
Frederic Kanoute: "I'm more effective [in Spain] because the culture is that people will praise, appreciate and understand you if you use your energy sparingly and intelligently. In England there was a general groan about players who didn't chase a lost cause." Massive cop out!!!
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Post by strettonstokie on Jan 19, 2017 13:57:56 GMT
theres definitely something in that people praise walters all the time think hes brilliant because he runs around all day but still ends up doing the square root of fuck all where as bony gets slated for being lazy when as a team we played much better with him That will be our top PL goal scorer doing the square root is it? thats the one, i believe that if me or you had played 219 games for stoke we might also be top goalscorer!
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Post by wuzza on Jan 19, 2017 13:59:36 GMT
That will be our top PL goal scorer doing the square root is it? thats the one, i believe that if me or you had played 219 games for stoke we might also be top goalscorer! Absolutely - just fortunate that in the process of all that 'running around' the ball has occasionally hit him and cannoned into the net. No skill involved at all.
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Post by strettonstokie on Jan 19, 2017 14:03:00 GMT
thats the one, i believe that if me or you had played 219 games for stoke we might also be top goalscorer! Absolutely - just fortunate that in the process of all that 'running around' the ball has occasionally hit him and cannoned into the net. No skill involved at all. they dont call it luck of the irish for nothing ;-) he once may have been a average premier player the first 2 or 3 years he joined but you honestly cant say that the last year or 2 he has been premiership quality can you?
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Post by claytonscrubs on Jan 19, 2017 14:10:33 GMT
Frederic Kanoute: "I'm more effective [in Spain] because the culture is that people will praise, appreciate and understand you if you use your energy sparingly and intelligently. In England there was a general groan about players who didn't chase a lost cause." Kenwyne Jones comes to mind...😉
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 19, 2017 14:22:36 GMT
Absolutely - just fortunate that in the process of all that 'running around' the ball has occasionally hit him and cannoned into the net. No skill involved at all. they dont call it luck of the irish for nothing ;-) he once may have been a average premier player the first 2 or 3 years he joined but you honestly cant say that the last year or 2 he has been premiership quality can you? He's still playing in the premier league for a reason. This isn't La Liga and whilst what Kanoute might say is correct it's almost obvious that the Premier League is more physical. Players get praised for their work rate because to be successful in this league you need to do a lot of work. Very few players can get away without willing to do the hard yards and players have to adapt their game to fit in.
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Post by wuzza on Jan 19, 2017 14:29:32 GMT
Absolutely - just fortunate that in the process of all that 'running around' the ball has occasionally hit him and cannoned into the net. No skill involved at all. they dont call it luck of the irish for nothing ;-) he once may have been a average premier player the first 2 or 3 years he joined but you honestly cant say that the last year or 2 he has been premiership quality can you? In all seriousness I absolutely would say he has been and is still PL quality and if we had wanted to sell him I'm sure there would have been other top flight clubs only too willing to take him off our hands.
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Post by strettonstokie on Jan 19, 2017 14:38:00 GMT
they dont call it luck of the irish for nothing ;-) he once may have been a average premier player the first 2 or 3 years he joined but you honestly cant say that the last year or 2 he has been premiership quality can you? In all seriousness I absolutely would say he has been and is still PL quality and if we had wanted to sell him I'm sure there would have been other top flight clubs only too willing to take him off our hands. Thats what message boards are for different opinions and i respect yours pal i personally think he would of never of played premier league football at any other club or if he did not for as long as he has for us. i agree workrate is key but youve got to have a footballing brain aswell hes just not on the same wave length half the time and frustrates the hell out of me
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Post by wuzza on Jan 19, 2017 14:45:14 GMT
In all seriousness I absolutely would say he has been and is still PL quality and if we had wanted to sell him I'm sure there would have been other top flight clubs only too willing to take him off our hands. Thats what message boards are for different opinions and i respect yours pal i personally think he would of never of played premier league football at any other club or if he did not for as long as he has for us. i agree workrate is key but youve got to have a footballing brain aswell hes just not on the same wave length half the time and frustrates the hell out of me I appreciate what you say but I honestly think if you were to go back and examine the quality of some of his goals you would see both a footballing brain and not insignificant skill levels. All that combined with the heart of a lion and total professionalism produces an individual that has played a massive role in our success. It's a shame he isn't universally appreciated but that appears to be a repeating theme of our time back in the top flight - hardly any players seem to have our total backing.
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Post by strettonstokie on Jan 19, 2017 14:50:41 GMT
Thats what message boards are for different opinions and i respect yours pal i personally think he would of never of played premier league football at any other club or if he did not for as long as he has for us. i agree workrate is key but youve got to have a footballing brain aswell hes just not on the same wave length half the time and frustrates the hell out of me I appreciate what you say but I honestly think if you were to go back and examine the quality of some of his goals you would see both a footballing brain and not insignificant skill levels. All that combined with the heart of a lion and total professionalism produces an individual that has played a massive role in our success. It's a shame he isn't universally appreciated but that appears to be a repeating theme of our time back in the top flight - hardly any players seem to have our total backing. i think the problem is the amount of goals hes scored tho mate hes never even reached double figures for league goals and for the amount of games he played under pulis he should have alot more, i think when he first joined and the next few years he suited our and pulis bear pit style, but now we need to move away from that and i think walters natural ability as expected is far worse now, put it this way i couldnt see him making any premier league apperances for any other club at this present time, good servant i grant you over the years but time to move on
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Post by wuzza on Jan 19, 2017 15:18:14 GMT
I appreciate what you say but I honestly think if you were to go back and examine the quality of some of his goals you would see both a footballing brain and not insignificant skill levels. All that combined with the heart of a lion and total professionalism produces an individual that has played a massive role in our success. It's a shame he isn't universally appreciated but that appears to be a repeating theme of our time back in the top flight - hardly any players seem to have our total backing. i think the problem is the amount of goals hes scored tho mate hes never even reached double figures for league goals and for the amount of games he played under pulis he should have alot more, i think when he first joined and the next few years he suited our and pulis bear pit style, but now we need to move away from that and i think walters natural ability as expected is far worse now, put it this way i couldnt see him making any premier league apperances for any other club at this present time, good servant i grant you over the years but time to move on Most of our strikers have been on a bit of a hiding to nothing though. Neither Pulis or Hughes have managed to produce a brand of football that created a lot of chances. We will have to see which way the wind blows - as things stand I don't really have a clue as to what long term attacking plan Hughes wants to employ or which personnel he thinks will get him there. It's been that sort of season.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jan 19, 2017 15:18:55 GMT
When did Kanoute say that? I thought he'd retired. He does have a good point. People don't perform at their best when tired, but you need some grafters in a team. I think the hard-working mentality makes many players better and more effective - arguably Arnautovic is at his best when he's giving it everything, and that's when Matty Etherington was at his best too. But would Ricardo Fuller have scored some of the amazing goals he had if he was chasing "lost causes" all the time? i think the problem is the amount of goals hes scored tho mate hes never even reached double figures for league goals and for the amount of games he played under pulis he should have alot more, i think when he first joined and the next few years he suited our and pulis bear pit style, but now we need to move away from that and i think walters natural ability as expected is far worse now, put it this way i couldnt see him making any premier league apperances for any other club at this present time, good servant i grant you over the years but time to move on What percentage of games has Walters played as a striker? He'd have scored far more if he'd played consistently up front.
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Post by strettonstokie on Jan 19, 2017 15:23:43 GMT
When did Kanoute say that? I thought he'd retired. He does have a good point. People don't perform at their best when tired, but you need some grafters in a team. I think the hard-working mentality makes many players better and more effective - arguably Arnautovic is at his best when he's giving it everything, and that's when Matty Etherington was at his best too. But would Ricardo Fuller have scored some of the amazing goals he had if he was chasing "lost causes" all the time? i think the problem is the amount of goals hes scored tho mate hes never even reached double figures for league goals and for the amount of games he played under pulis he should have alot more, i think when he first joined and the next few years he suited our and pulis bear pit style, but now we need to move away from that and i think walters natural ability as expected is far worse now, put it this way i couldnt see him making any premier league apperances for any other club at this present time, good servant i grant you over the years but time to move on What percentage of games has Walters played as a striker? He'd have scored far more if he'd played consistently up front. be interesting to see i would guess 80% but no idea, but i think if diouf had played the same amount of games as a striker he would of scored more than walters we no he can from that first season
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Post by davethebass on Jan 19, 2017 15:46:25 GMT
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Post by capto on Jan 19, 2017 15:49:36 GMT
Frederic Kanoute: "I'm more effective [in Spain] because the culture is that people will praise, appreciate and understand you if you use your energy sparingly and intelligently. In England there was a general groan about players who didn't chase a lost cause." Bet he's never tried that in an office or on a factory floor? Saturday, 7th January 2017: Stoke City 0 Wolves 2; the day Mark Hughes, Marko Arnoutovic, Bojan, Shaqiri and Imbula showed how much they care about the fans and the club.
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Post by davethebass on Jan 19, 2017 16:17:46 GMT
Frederic Kanoute: "I'm more effective [in Spain] because the culture is that people will praise, appreciate and understand you if you use your energy sparingly and intelligently. In England there was a general groan about players who didn't chase a lost cause." I think this is a really interesting debate, which I've pondered before. Kanoute makes a good point, it's akin to playing percentages. Personally I prefer the chasing lost causes approach, but then I'm British, so that would simply support Kanoute's viewpoint. Having said that, when you see, say, Barcelona trying to regain possession whenever they lose the ball, they expend a tremendous amount of energy and seem to chase every lost cause out there.
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Post by djduncanjames on Jan 19, 2017 18:52:05 GMT
Frederic Kanoute: "I'm more effective [in Spain] because the culture is that people will praise, appreciate and understand you if you use your energy sparingly and intelligently. In England there was a general groan about players who didn't chase a lost cause."
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Post by djduncanjames on Jan 19, 2017 18:55:41 GMT
thats the one, i believe that if me or you had played 219 games for stoke we might also be top goalscorer! Absolutely - just fortunate that in the process of all that 'running around' the ball has occasionally hit him and cannoned into the net. No skill involved at all. Yea those two at Wembley were a total fluke
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 19, 2017 18:56:57 GMT
Frederic Kanoute: "I'm more effective [in Spain] because the culture is that people will praise, appreciate and understand you if you use your energy sparingly and intelligently. In England there was a general groan about players who didn't chase a lost cause." Bet he's never tried that in an office or on a factory floor? Saturday, 7th January 2017: Stoke City 0 Wolves 2; the day Mark Hughes, Marko Arnoutovic, Bojan, Shaqiri and Imbula showed how much they care about the fans and the club. Total arse gravy.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 19, 2017 19:06:57 GMT
When did Kanoute say that? I thought he'd retired. He does have a good point. People don't perform at their best when tired, but you need some grafters in a team. I think the hard-working mentality makes many players better and more effective - arguably Arnautovic is at his best when he's giving it everything, and that's when Matty Etherington was at his best too. But would Ricardo Fuller have scored some of the amazing goals he had if he was chasing "lost causes" all the time? What percentage of games has Walters played as a striker? He'd have scored far more if he'd played consistently up front. be interesting to see i would guess 80% but no idea, but i think if diouf had played the same amount of games as a striker he would of scored more than walters we no he can from that first season 80% seems on the high side.
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Post by slother on Jan 19, 2017 19:07:27 GMT
Frederic Kanoute: "I'm more effective [in Spain] because the culture is that people will praise, appreciate and understand you if you use your energy sparingly and intelligently. In England there was a general groan about players who didn't chase a lost cause." See? He would've become the next Gareth Bale if he'd just conserved his energy a little better. Shame.
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Post by skemstokie on Jan 19, 2017 19:21:03 GMT
That will be our top PL goal scorer doing the square root is it? thats the one, i believe that if me or you had played 219 games for stoke we might also be top goalscorer! I certainly wouldn`t be
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2017 19:45:44 GMT
Bet he's never tried that in an office or on a factory floor? Saturday, 7th January 2017: Stoke City 0 Wolves 2; the day Mark Hughes, Marko Arnoutovic, Bojan, Shaqiri and Imbula showed how much they care about the fans and the club. Total arse gravy. You'd think after Sunderland he'd have the common sense to stop posting this bollocks.
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