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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 13, 2017 11:52:09 GMT
Well I've never heard of a player asking the club to change his agreed recovery plan at Stoke but have it your way. Even in your rosey world you're left with two other conclusions. An original misdiagnosis or Geoff is weak in the mind. Which one you going for? What rotten 'luck' the 17 fit players we have tomorrow is eh? Or a seemingly simple injury that has proven to be difficult to diagnose and fix. But that would be the boring less sensationalist option..... Yeah best all round if Geoff asks the club if he can have a second opinion on a "seemingly simple injury that has proven to be difficult to diagnose and fix" from someone he trusts I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 11:55:40 GMT
Or a seemingly simple injury that has proven to be difficult to diagnose and fix. But that would be the boring less sensationalist option..... Yeah best all round if Geoff asks the club if he can have a second opinion on a "seemingly simple injury that has proven to be difficult to diagnose and fix" from someone he trusts I guess. i thought he was on his hands and knees "begging" to go back? And a "seemingly simple injury" that can't be diagnosed by its very nature becomes a potential serious injury. He's off to see the USA medical team whilst going back home to spend time with friends and family and keep his spirits up, despite your spin on things nowt to see here as far as I'm concerned.....
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jan 13, 2017 12:02:14 GMT
Afellay and Bojan both did the same as did Etherington. Alan Shearer is a very high profile example of someone who disappeared off elsewhere for treatment as is Michael Owen. In the case of the Stoke players mentioned this was driven by the club and were all serious cruciate injuries. This is a player who started with a minor injury begging the club to go and see someone else. World of difference There's also a world of difference between him wanting to speak to a few people he knows in the US to get "PEACE OF MIND" (conveniently you ignore that bit....and the bit where it says it backs up what the Stoke medical staff have already told him) and him apparently having "No faith in our medical team".....which then apparently becomes him "begging the club to go and see someone else". You going to apply for a job at The Sun momo? Massively over-sensationalising perfectly normal goings on with foreign players seems to be a talent of yours in this thread. Hyperbole due to overall frustration at the way things are at Stoke at the moment is one thing (and understandable) but simply making things up is a bit poor. Where has he questioned their ability???? He simply wants peace of mind (i.e. the mental side of things will aid recovery as is well known in sports rehabilitation) from people he's familiar with. Doesn't say anywhere he wants a second opinion or different/better treatment elsewhere. He's a foreign player so what's the big issue with him wanting to speak to people he's known for years to give him that mental boost exactly? Nothing at all...you've simply spun it to your way of thinking (which omits part of the quotes and spins it around to your unique way of thinking) and it's snowballed from him having no faith in the medical team (which the actual quotes don't even infer), asking to go and now begging to go. If only ANY of those things were even slightly implied in that link Simple case of you not actually reading the words that are put in front of you really.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 13, 2017 12:06:55 GMT
Yeah best all round if Geoff asks the club if he can have a second opinion on a "seemingly simple injury that has proven to be difficult to diagnose and fix" from someone he trusts I guess. He's off to see the USA medical team whilst going back home to spend time with friends and family and keep his spirits up, despite your spin on things nowt to see here as far as I'm concerned..... Where's it say that? You're not putting your own spin on it now PP are you!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 13, 2017 12:08:04 GMT
In the case of the Stoke players mentioned this was driven by the club and were all serious cruciate injuries. This is a player who started with a minor injury begging the club to go and see someone else. World of difference There's also a world of difference between him wanting to speak to a few people he knows in the US to get "PEACE OF MIND" (conveniently you ignore that bit....and the bit where it says it backs up what the Stoke medical staff have already told him) and him apparently having "No faith in our medical team".....which then apparently becomes him "begging the club to go and see someone else". You going to apply for a job at The Sun momo? Massively over-sensationalising perfectly normal goings on with foreign players seems to be a talent of yours in this thread. Hyperbole due to overall frustration at the way things are at Stoke at the moment is one thing (and understandable) but simply making things up is a bit poor. Where has he questioned their ability???? He simply wants peace of mind (i.e. the mental side of things will aid recovery as is well known in sports rehabilitation) from people he's familiar with. Doesn't say anywhere he wants a second opinion or different/better treatment elsewhere. He's a foreign player so what's the big issue with him wanting to speak to people he's known for years to give him that mental boost exactly? Nothing at all...you've simply spun it to your way of thinking (which omits part of the quotes and spins it around to your unique way of thinking) and it's snowballed from him having no faith in the medical team (which the actual quotes don't even infer), asking to go and now begging to go. If only ANY of those things were even slightly implied in that link Simple case of you not actually reading the words that are put in front of you really. I've read it perfectly well and its worrying stuff and clearly displays a lack of trust in the treatment he's been receiving........or a very weak mind. Take your pick.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jan 13, 2017 12:10:49 GMT
There's also a world of difference between him wanting to speak to a few people he knows in the US to get "PEACE OF MIND" (conveniently you ignore that bit....and the bit where it says it backs up what the Stoke medical staff have already told him) and him apparently having "No faith in our medical team".....which then apparently becomes him "begging the club to go and see someone else". You going to apply for a job at The Sun momo? Massively over-sensationalising perfectly normal goings on with foreign players seems to be a talent of yours in this thread. Hyperbole due to overall frustration at the way things are at Stoke at the moment is one thing (and understandable) but simply making things up is a bit poor. Where has he questioned their ability???? He simply wants peace of mind (i.e. the mental side of things will aid recovery as is well known in sports rehabilitation) from people he's familiar with. Doesn't say anywhere he wants a second opinion or different/better treatment elsewhere. He's a foreign player so what's the big issue with him wanting to speak to people he's known for years to give him that mental boost exactly? Nothing at all...you've simply spun it to your way of thinking (which omits part of the quotes and spins it around to your unique way of thinking) and it's snowballed from him having no faith in the medical team (which the actual quotes don't even infer), asking to go and now begging to go. If only ANY of those things were even slightly implied in that link Simple case of you not actually reading the words that are put in front of you really. I've read it perfectly well and its worrying stuff and clearly displays a lack of trust in the treatment he's been receiving........or a very weak mind. Take your pick. how? the actual quote says he wants to be with people he's known and is familiar with for PEACE OF MIND!!!! NOT for different/additional treatment!!!! You've simply made that bit up entirely!!!! If you suffer a workplace injury, would you simply let your company doctor treat you and be done with it or do you think it may be nice to have familiar faces around you (doesn't even say it is medical staff in that article, you've just decided that yourself) to give you a mental boost???? The only place it mentions anything medical is that he's had a couple of procedures that have backed up what the Stoke medical team had already told him. If that makes our medical staff incompetent then there's obviously are as well as they apparently agreed with ours. And where has he "begged" anyone to go? Where is this quote that displays his complete lack of faith in our team??? Nowhere...at all...whatsoever.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 12:10:51 GMT
There's also a world of difference between him wanting to speak to a few people he knows in the US to get "PEACE OF MIND" (conveniently you ignore that bit....and the bit where it says it backs up what the Stoke medical staff have already told him) and him apparently having "No faith in our medical team".....which then apparently becomes him "begging the club to go and see someone else". You going to apply for a job at The Sun momo? Massively over-sensationalising perfectly normal goings on with foreign players seems to be a talent of yours in this thread. Hyperbole due to overall frustration at the way things are at Stoke at the moment is one thing (and understandable) but simply making things up is a bit poor. Where has he questioned their ability???? He simply wants peace of mind (i.e. the mental side of things will aid recovery as is well known in sports rehabilitation) from people he's familiar with. Doesn't say anywhere he wants a second opinion or different/better treatment elsewhere. He's a foreign player so what's the big issue with him wanting to speak to people he's known for years to give him that mental boost exactly? Nothing at all...you've simply spun it to your way of thinking (which omits part of the quotes and spins it around to your unique way of thinking) and it's snowballed from him having no faith in the medical team (which the actual quotes don't even infer), asking to go and now begging to go. If only ANY of those things were even slightly implied in that link Simple case of you not actually reading the words that are put in front of you really. I've read it perfectly well and its worrying stuff and clearly displays a lack of trust in the treatment he's been receiving........or a very weak mind. Take your pick. Or neither :-)
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 13, 2017 12:15:18 GMT
I've read it perfectly well and its worrying stuff and clearly displays a lack of trust in the treatment he's been receiving........or a very weak mind. Take your pick. how? the actual quote says he wants to be with people he's known and is familiar with for PEACE OF MIND!!!! NOT for different/additional treatment!!!! You've simply made that bit up entirely!!!! If you suffer a workplace injury, would you simply let your company doctor treat you and be done with it or do you think it may be nice to have familiar faces around you (doesn't even say it is medical staff in that article, you've just decided that yourself) to give you a mental boost???? The only place it mentions anything medical is that he's had a couple of procedures that have backed up what the Stoke medical team had already told him. If that makes our medical staff incompetent then there's obviously are as well as they apparently agreed with ours. And where has he "begged" anyone to go? Where is this quote that displays his complete lack of faith in our team??? Nowhere...at all...whatsoever. So he's gone back to see people he knows in the US set up for non medical reasons now. . Fucking hell!
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jan 13, 2017 12:15:50 GMT
If things were better on the pitch at the moment, this (re: Geoff) wouldn't even be a fucking story. It's a complete non-event. It's simply a case of desperately looking for any stick anywhere (fuck it a twig will do and people on here will simply lie about it being a stick) to beat the backroom staff with.
Poor doesn't come close to summing it up.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 13, 2017 12:16:52 GMT
I've read it perfectly well and its worrying stuff and clearly displays a lack of trust in the treatment he's been receiving........or a very weak mind. Take your pick. Or neither :-) He's going to the US for tea and biscuits and a chat about fiscal policy under Trump according to mick. Nothing medical at all
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jan 13, 2017 12:17:30 GMT
how? the actual quote says he wants to be with people he's known and is familiar with for PEACE OF MIND!!!! NOT for different/additional treatment!!!! You've simply made that bit up entirely!!!! If you suffer a workplace injury, would you simply let your company doctor treat you and be done with it or do you think it may be nice to have familiar faces around you (doesn't even say it is medical staff in that article, you've just decided that yourself) to give you a mental boost???? The only place it mentions anything medical is that he's had a couple of procedures that have backed up what the Stoke medical team had already told him. If that makes our medical staff incompetent then there's obviously are as well as they apparently agreed with ours. And where has he "begged" anyone to go? Where is this quote that displays his complete lack of faith in our team??? Nowhere...at all...whatsoever. So he's gone back to see people he knows in the US set up for non medical reasons now. . Fucking hell! Or for "Peace of mind"....y'know like it actually says in the article? It's all there for you momo if you actually fucking read the thing. Nah ignore that eh? Let's just make shit up instead despite having no background knowledge of what's going on and just presume that's the truth we'll now go with.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jan 13, 2017 12:18:18 GMT
He's going to the US for tea and biscuits and a chat about fiscal policy under Trump according to mick. Nothing medical at all Because i'm basing it on what was said, whereas you're just making random shit up that absolutely no-one said whatsoever.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 13, 2017 12:18:50 GMT
So he's gone back to see people he knows in the US set up for non medical reasons now. . Fucking hell! Or for "Peace of mind"....y'know like it actually says in the article? It's all there for you momo if you actually fucking read the thing. Nah ignore that eh? Let's just make shit up instead despite having no background knowledge of what's going on and just presume that's the truth we'll now go with. Peace of mind on what? Aleppo, the town hall in Fenton?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 12:22:55 GMT
Wow. So Cameron has absolutely no faith in our medical team and has fucked off to America for treatment. WOW! Or has gone to see a specialist where he can tie in his rehab with being close to his family like Bojan and Afellay did for example? Now now Prestwich... This is a perfectly good opportunity to havean entirely unsubstantiated dig at the club. Let Momo be happy instead of responding with facts and the identification of things that so many players do
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jan 13, 2017 12:26:05 GMT
Or for "Peace of mind"....y'know like it actually says in the article? It's all there for you momo if you actually fucking read the thing. Nah ignore that eh? Let's just make shit up instead despite having no background knowledge of what's going on and just presume that's the truth we'll now go with. Peace of mind on what? Aleppo, the town hall in Fenton? Aaah so what you're admitting to is that, because it doesn't specify enough actual information for you, you're just going to make up the missing pieces and post your ideas on this thread and pass them off as fact so you have an excuse to slag the medical staff off! Cracking stuff! Foreign player speaks to people he's known for years shock exclusive!!!!! And that's never ever happened before with any foreign player ever has it..i forgot sorry!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 13, 2017 12:26:52 GMT
Or has gone to see a specialist where he can tie in his rehab with being close to his family like Bojan and Afellay did for example? Now now Prestwich... This is a perfectly good opportunity to havean entirely unsubstantiated dig at the club. Let Momo be happy instead of responding with facts and the identification of things that so many players do Bojan and Affelay didn't change tack half way through their 'rehabilitation' but lets not let that get in the way of your nonsense.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 13, 2017 12:29:31 GMT
Peace of mind on what? Aleppo, the town hall in Fenton? Aaah so what you're admitting to is that, because it doesn't specify enough actual information for you, you're just going to make up the missing pieces and post your ideas on this thread and pass them off as fact so you have an excuse to slag the medical staff off! Cracking stuff! Foreign player speaks to people he's known for years shock exclusive!!!!! And that's never ever happened before with any foreign player ever has it..i forgot sorry! "Geoff Cameron went over to the US earlier this week a nd has seen a number of people. He was getting a little frustrated because he wasn't really progressing and he hasn't been able to get back on the grass since his injury, so we wanted him to get a different view" OK probably it was Aleppo, you're right Mick
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Post by trigger on Jan 13, 2017 12:32:52 GMT
Now If we were sending our player up to the A&E I'd be more inclide to think things can go wrong and get missed giving the flow of people with varying degrees of injuries, long hours, etc,etc. May I add what wonderful people we have at our Hospital BTW.
BUT we're talking about one to one consultation here with so called experts charging insane fees for their services, Butland comes to mind, farcical........
Transfer/Medical Teams absolutely diabolical.
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Jan 13, 2017 12:45:09 GMT
Thought I'd come to see what was said at the press conference. Must have stumbled across the wrong thread yet again.
My fault. As you were girls!
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Post by Old School Stokie on Jan 13, 2017 13:43:39 GMT
Whilst updating on the State of the SCFC nation........
Why was there not a Buckland update? Is he finished?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 13, 2017 13:50:13 GMT
Whilst updating on the State of the SCFC nation........ Why was there not a Buckland update? Is he finished? Yes, I can confirm that Buckland has finished. We can all get on with our lives now that it has indeed, finished.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jan 13, 2017 13:51:32 GMT
Well I've never heard of a player asking the club to change his agreed recovery plan at Stoke but have it your way. Long time ago now but I seem to remember John Eustace doing this and having to pay for it out of his own pocket.
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Post by Will_75 on Jan 13, 2017 13:53:37 GMT
bloody hell momo, you don't half make some cognitive leaps. do you write on the walls at home?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 13:58:37 GMT
Whilst updating on the State of the SCFC nation........ Why was there not a Buckland update? Is he finished? Yes, I can confirm that Buckland has finished. We can all get on with our lives now that it has indeed, finished. What about Jack Butland though?
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jan 13, 2017 13:59:22 GMT
What we have to remember is this is a very rich footballer playing for a very rich football club who can demand pretty much whatever medical treatment he wants and he's exercising his right to do it. Would any of us put up with NHS waiting times and doing what we're told without having much ability to question the advice if we had his resources? Of course we wouldn't.
I don't blame him for seeking a second opinion in his own country with people he trusts this is his career on the line and he doesn't want to become one of those players who's forever out injured.
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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 13, 2017 14:02:24 GMT
bloody hell momo, you don't half make some cognitive leaps. do you write on the walls at home? He can't..... he's too busy licking them
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 13, 2017 14:03:41 GMT
God, the Press conferences are dire. Totally inane.
Great cure for Insomnia though!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 13, 2017 14:04:50 GMT
bloody hell momo, you don't half make some cognitive leaps. do you write on the walls at home? He can't..... he's too busy licking them Posted anything racist lately?
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Post by enuntio on Jan 13, 2017 14:07:28 GMT
Clayton Wood or California in January. I know which I'd prefer
About the press conference, on the BBC website it says ---
Despite reports suggesting otherwise, Stoke boss Mark Hughes says Spanish forward Bojan is unlikely to be leaving in this transfer window.
"As far as I am aware I don't anticipate Bojan to be leaving."
Obviously, Bojan will be leaving at some point, unless he sees the rest of his career out at Stoke.
Is Mr Hughes implying that Bojan may well be moving on for the start of next season?
I'd have liked to have thought Bojan that would be a major cog in our wheel and I would have felt better if Mr Hughes would have said so.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 13, 2017 14:09:01 GMT
The one FACT is that the initial club assessment of the extent of the injury and the estimation of the required rehabilitation time has on a number of recent occasions been incorrect.
This could be due to a number of reasons but in my opinion the club are doing themselves no favours with their subsequent communications (or lack thereto!)
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