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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jan 13, 2017 9:17:01 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 13, 2017 10:16:51 GMT
Wow.
So Cameron has absolutely no faith in our medical team and has fucked off to America for treatment.
WOW!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 10:18:42 GMT
Wow. So Cameron has absolutely no faith in our medical team and has fucked off to America for treatment. WOW! Or has gone to see a specialist where he can tie in his rehab with being close to his family like Bojan and Afellay did for example?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 13, 2017 10:22:34 GMT
Wow. So Cameron has absolutely no faith in our medical team and has fucked off to America for treatment. WOW! Or has gone to see a specialist where he can tie in his rehab with being close to his family like Bojan and Afellay did for example! For something described as a 'hyperextended knee' and three weeks out in October. He now needs a cruciate type rehabilitation programme in his own country. Rightio He asked to go to America for 'peace of mind' regarding treatment. Doesn't suggest a bunch of confidence in our medical stuff does it?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 10:27:37 GMT
Or has gone to see a specialist where he can tie in his rehab with being close to his family like Bojan and Afellay did for example! For something described as a 'hyperextended knee' and three weeks out in October. He now needs a cruciate type rehabilitation programme in his own country. Rightio I get it, you're not happy at the moment so you want to take every quote from everyone at the club literally. But he's got an injury that was thought to be a relatively short one and he's still feeling pain and therefore can't get back on the training field. We've tried one specialist and now he's going over to America to try another. Fuck all to do with an incompetent medical team and more to do with an unusual injury that won't heal. Despite all the conspiracy theorists shit happens.....
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 13, 2017 10:29:37 GMT
For something described as a 'hyperextended knee' and three weeks out in October. He now needs a cruciate type rehabilitation programme in his own country. Rightio I get it, you're not happy at the moment so you want to take every quote from everyone at the club literally. But he's got an injury that was thought to be a relatively short one and he's still feeling pain and therefore can't get back on the training field. We've tried one specialist and now he's going over to America to try another. Fuck all to do with an incompetent medical team and more to do with an unusual injury that won't heal. Despite all the conspiracy theorists shit happens..... If you were under a very expensive private doctor and expressed 'frustrations' at your progress and 'asked to see other doctors' who you'd worked with before, what does that suggest about your confidence in your original treatment?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 10:34:03 GMT
I get it, you're not happy at the moment so you want to take every quote from everyone at the club literally. But he's got an injury that was thought to be a relatively short one and he's still feeling pain and therefore can't get back on the training field. We've tried one specialist and now he's going over to America to try another. Fuck all to do with an incompetent medical team and more to do with an unusual injury that won't heal. Despite all the conspiracy theorists shit happens..... If you were under a very expensive private doctor and expressed 'frustrations' at your progress and 'asked to see other doctors' who you'd worked with before, what does that suggest about your confidence in your original treatment? So in the real world when people get referred to other specialists to treat an illness/injury that automatically makes the first guy incompetent? A lot of these processes are trial and error. Of course Cameron will be pissed off, he has an injury that he thought would clear up and he's not able to shake it off, I'd be pissed off as well....
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 13, 2017 10:39:14 GMT
If you were under a very expensive private doctor and expressed 'frustrations' at your progress and 'asked to see other doctors' who you'd worked with before, what does that suggest about your confidence in your original treatment? So in the real world when people get referred to other specialists to treat an illness/injury that automatically makes the first guy incompetent? A lot of these processes are trial and error. Of course Cameron will be pissed off, he has an injury that he thought would clear up and he's not able to shake it off, I'd be pissed off as well.... He's not been referred. He's referred himself!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 13, 2017 10:41:12 GMT
Wow. So Cameron has absolutely no faith in our medical team and has fucked off to America for treatment. WOW! There is one thing I don't get regarding our medical team, so you'll have to enlighten me. I think we all acknowledge that Tony Pulis's teams had a fairly decent track record when it came to injuries and rehabilitation. We had our share of big injuries (multiple to Mama, Ric, Higgy etc) but generally, until we were unable to cure the back/hamstring issues of both Rory and Ethers, we were pretty good. When Mark Hughes arrived, he brought with him his own team. The only thing that wasn't changed was the medical team. In Pulis' last season he lost "scouse" who had been our conditioning/fitness coach for some years. On the basis that very little has changed, and the change that did occur was nothing to do with Hughes, how can a once lauded medical team now be the worst on the earth?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 10:45:07 GMT
So in the real world when people get referred to other specialists to treat an illness/injury that automatically makes the first guy incompetent? A lot of these processes are trial and error. Of course Cameron will be pissed off, he has an injury that he thought would clear up and he's not able to shake it off, I'd be pissed off as well.... He's not been referred. He's referred himself! So a player that is contracted to the club and has to report to the club daily unless we say otherwise has referred himself to a specialist in America without our blessing? Or in reality has he gone in and said "gaffer my injury isn't getting any better, can I go back home and try Joe Bloggs in LA to see if he can get to the bottom of it". Premier League clubs send players over to America all the time.....
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 13, 2017 10:47:53 GMT
Wow. So Cameron has absolutely no faith in our medical team and has fucked off to America for treatment. WOW! There is one thing I don't get regarding our medical team, so you'll have to enlighten me. I think we all acknowledge that Tony Pulis's teams had a fairly decent track record when it came to injuries and rehabilitation. We had our share of big injuries (multiple to Mama, Ric, Higgy etc) but generally, until we were unable to cure the back/hamstring issues of both Rory and Ethers, we were pretty good. When Mark Hughes arrived, he brought with him his own team. The only thing that wasn't changed was the medical team. In Pulis' last season he lost "scouse" who had been our conditioning/fitness coach for some years. On the basis that very little has changed, and the change that did occur was nothing to do with Hughes, how can a once lauded medical team now be the worst on the earth? I have no idea. Maybe it's a more effete player we're attracting these days or daily training methods, the ‘bad luck’ card is wearing a little thin though now isn’t it? It’s certainly the first time I’ve heard of a player so frustrated and unconvinced by his in house treatment that he’s asked to see someone he trusts instead.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 10:53:43 GMT
There is one thing I don't get regarding our medical team, so you'll have to enlighten me. I think we all acknowledge that Tony Pulis's teams had a fairly decent track record when it came to injuries and rehabilitation. We had our share of big injuries (multiple to Mama, Ric, Higgy etc) but generally, until we were unable to cure the back/hamstring issues of both Rory and Ethers, we were pretty good. When Mark Hughes arrived, he brought with him his own team. The only thing that wasn't changed was the medical team. In Pulis' last season he lost "scouse" who had been our conditioning/fitness coach for some years. On the basis that very little has changed, and the change that did occur was nothing to do with Hughes, how can a once lauded medical team now be the worst on the earth? I have no idea. Maybe it's a more effete player we're attracting these days or daily training methods, the ‘bad luck’ card is wearing a little thin though now isn’t it? It’s certainly the first time I’ve heard of a player so frustrated and unconvinced by his in house treatment that he’s asked to see someone he trusts instead. The only quotes I've seen from Cameron are that he's frustrated by the lack of progress and how Hughes is happy for him to go to America to see the USA medical team doctors to try and help him get back playing. How does that translate to "unconvinced by in house treatment"?
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Post by jwhpotter on Jan 13, 2017 10:54:24 GMT
That woman in the press conference asks some stupid questions & constantly repeates herself
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 13, 2017 11:00:40 GMT
I have no idea. Maybe it's a more effete player we're attracting these days or daily training methods, the ‘bad luck’ card is wearing a little thin though now isn’t it? It’s certainly the first time I’ve heard of a player so frustrated and unconvinced by his in house treatment that he’s asked to see someone he trusts instead. The only quotes I've seen from Cameron are that he's frustrated by the lack of progress and how Hughes is happy for him to go to America to see the USA medical team doctors to try and help him get back playing. How does that translate to "unconvinced by in house treatment"? "Geoff knows people in the US with the national team who he wanted to speak to, so we allowed that" A ringing endorsement of the trust he has in the medical treatment he's been receiving from Stoke City
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 13, 2017 11:01:04 GMT
I wouldn't last 2 minutes in a press conference. The questions that get asked deserve totally shitty answers and that's what I'd give them. Total waste of time.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jan 13, 2017 11:01:15 GMT
Wow. So Cameron has absolutely no faith in our medical team and has fucked off to America for treatment. WOW! There is one thing I don't get regarding our medical team, so you'll have to enlighten me. I think we all acknowledge that Tony Pulis's teams had a fairly decent track record when it came to injuries and rehabilitation. We had our share of big injuries (multiple to Mama, Ric, Higgy etc) but generally, until we were unable to cure the back/hamstring issues of both Rory and Ethers, we were pretty good. When Mark Hughes arrived, he brought with him his own team. The only thing that wasn't changed was the medical team. In Pulis' last season he lost "scouse" who had been our conditioning/fitness coach for some years. On the basis that very little has changed, and the change that did occur was nothing to do with Hughes, how can a once lauded medical team now be the worst on the earth? I might be getting mixed up here, but I thought 'scouse' was the little man (McKeown?) who left in 2009 after we got a few injuries at the end of the 08/09 season? After that, I thought it was the guy from Plymouth, Maxwell, who was in charge of the fitness side of things, and who left with Pulis.
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Post by iglugluk on Jan 13, 2017 11:05:36 GMT
Is this the same medical team that said Demba Ba was never going to play again?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 13, 2017 11:06:47 GMT
There is one thing I don't get regarding our medical team, so you'll have to enlighten me. I think we all acknowledge that Tony Pulis's teams had a fairly decent track record when it came to injuries and rehabilitation. We had our share of big injuries (multiple to Mama, Ric, Higgy etc) but generally, until we were unable to cure the back/hamstring issues of both Rory and Ethers, we were pretty good. When Mark Hughes arrived, he brought with him his own team. The only thing that wasn't changed was the medical team. In Pulis' last season he lost "scouse" who had been our conditioning/fitness coach for some years. On the basis that very little has changed, and the change that did occur was nothing to do with Hughes, how can a once lauded medical team now be the worst on the earth? I have no idea. Maybe it's a more effete player we're attracting these days or daily training methods, the ‘bad luck’ card is wearing a little thin though now isn’t it? It’s certainly the first time I’ve heard of a player so frustrated and unconvinced by his in house treatment that he’s asked to see someone he trusts instead. Afellay and Bojan both did the same as did Etherington. Alan Shearer is a very high profile example of someone who disappeared off elsewhere for treatment as is Michael Owen.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 13, 2017 11:08:53 GMT
That woman in the press conference asks some stupid questions & constantly repeates herself Isn't that just the same for all women in general?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 13, 2017 11:09:50 GMT
I have no idea. Maybe it's a more effete player we're attracting these days or daily training methods, the ‘bad luck’ card is wearing a little thin though now isn’t it? It’s certainly the first time I’ve heard of a player so frustrated and unconvinced by his in house treatment that he’s asked to see someone he trusts instead. Afellay and Bojan both did the same as did Etherington. Alan Shearer is a very high profile example of someone who disappeared off elsewhere for treatment as is Michael Owen. In the case of the Stoke players mentioned this was driven by the club and were all serious cruciate injuries. This is a player who started with a minor injury begging the club to go and see someone else. World of difference
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 13, 2017 11:13:27 GMT
Afellay and Bojan both did the same as did Etherington. Alan Shearer is a very high profile example of someone who disappeared off elsewhere for treatment as is Michael Owen. In the case of the Stoke players mentioned this was driven by the club and were all serious cruciate injuries. This is a player who started with a minor injury begging the club to go and see someone else. World of difference There always is isn't there? To me it is more a case of player is frustrated at his inability to return to fitness so wants to seek out a second opinion from people he knows or who he has worked with in the past. What's to say that the people in the states won't say exactly the same as people over here?
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jan 13, 2017 11:21:14 GMT
In the case of the Stoke players mentioned this was driven by the club and were all serious cruciate injuries. This is a player who started with a minor injury begging the club to go and see someone else. World of difference There always is isn't there? To me it is more a case of player is frustrated at his inability to return to fitness so wants to seek out a second opinion from people he knows or who he has worked with in the past. What's to say that the people in the states won't say exactly the same as people over here? Hughes said in the press conf that he'd had 'a couple of procedures' which had confirmed 'our' initial diagnosis etc. He went on to say it was more a matter of 'peace of mind' and reassurance for Geoff. Seems like the lad has been going through the mill with infection, virus, tonsilitis etc. Can't see much to get too exercised about on this one. Good bit of player care, physical and mental. Ryan Shawcross went to the States for his op too I think.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 13, 2017 11:21:18 GMT
In the case of the Stoke players mentioned this was driven by the club and were all serious cruciate injuries. This is a player who started with a minor injury begging the club to go and see someone else. World of difference There always is isn't there? To me it is more a case of player is frustrated at his inability to return to fitness so wants to seek out a second opinion from people he knows or who he has worked with in the past. What's to say that the people in the states won't say exactly the same as people over here? Well the three Stoke players you mentioned certainly didn't ask for a change of medical opinion mid treatment so yeah, there is a world of difference. This is a player with a clear vote of no confidence in our medical team and the circumstances are indeed strange. Out for two to three weeks at the end of October with a very minor knee complaint and now still seemingly nowhere near playing three months later and the player himself asking for a second opinion. A ringing endorsement it is not.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 13, 2017 11:30:11 GMT
There always is isn't there? To me it is more a case of player is frustrated at his inability to return to fitness so wants to seek out a second opinion from people he knows or who he has worked with in the past. What's to say that the people in the states won't say exactly the same as people over here? Well the three Stoke players you mentioned certainly didn't ask for a change of medical opinion mid treatment so yeah, there is a world of difference. This is a player with a clear vote of no confidence in our medical team and the circumstances are indeed strange. Out for two to three weeks at the end of October with a very minor knee complaint and now still seemingly nowhere near playing three months later and the player himself asking for a second opinion. A ringing endorsement it is not. So explain how they've gone from being so good to so bad then? Are the medical team just old and tired like our players and manager, not up to speed with modern medicine and practices?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 13, 2017 11:38:09 GMT
Well the three Stoke players you mentioned certainly didn't ask for a change of medical opinion mid treatment so yeah, there is a world of difference. This is a player with a clear vote of no confidence in our medical team and the circumstances are indeed strange. Out for two to three weeks at the end of October with a very minor knee complaint and now still seemingly nowhere near playing three months later and the player himself asking for a second opinion. A ringing endorsement it is not. So explain how they've gone from being so good to so bad then? Are the medical team just old and tired like our players and manager, not up to speed with modern medicine and practices? I've said I don't know, I've offered a couple of explanations but "bad luck" doesn't really wash with anyone any more does it?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 13, 2017 11:39:18 GMT
There always is isn't there? To me it is more a case of player is frustrated at his inability to return to fitness so wants to seek out a second opinion from people he knows or who he has worked with in the past. What's to say that the people in the states won't say exactly the same as people over here? Well the three Stoke players you mentioned certainly didn't ask for a change of medical opinion mid treatment so yeah, there is a world of difference. This is a player with a clear vote of no confidence in our medical team and the circumstances are indeed strange. Out for two to three weeks at the end of October with a very minor knee complaint and now still seemingly nowhere near playing three months later and the player himself asking for a second opinion. A ringing endorsement it is not. We are a football club - not Guy's hospital. It would be stupid for any club to employ the best medical experts for every possible condition - they need to employ good quality generalists who know their limitations and help the player identify the best medical advice where the problem goes beyond their particular area of expertise. And a player is perfectly entitled to find a specialist they are comfortable with - in fact as in any other walk of life it is ultimately their responsibility. There may well be other legitimate lines of complaint about the club but this is utter garbage. But, as the saying goes, if all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 11:39:49 GMT
Afellay and Bojan both did the same as did Etherington. Alan Shearer is a very high profile example of someone who disappeared off elsewhere for treatment as is Michael Owen. In the case of the Stoke players mentioned this was driven by the club and were all serious cruciate injuries. This is a player who started with a minor injury begging the club to go and see someone else. World of difference "Begging"? You're literally just making shit up now, you take a quote and completely over dramatise the reality of the situation...
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 13, 2017 11:44:53 GMT
Well I've never heard of a player asking the club to change his agreed recovery plan at Stoke but have it your way. Even in your rosey world you're left with two other conclusions. An original misdiagnosis or Geoff is weak in the mind. Which one you going for?
What rotten 'luck' the 17 fit players we have tomorrow is eh?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 13, 2017 11:46:25 GMT
Reads to me like Cameron just fancies a trip home for a bit while he gets better, fair enough tbh, seeing another doctor isn't going to hurt is it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 11:50:09 GMT
Well I've never heard of a player asking the club to change his agreed recovery plan at Stoke but have it your way. Even in your rosey world you're left with two other conclusions. An original misdiagnosis or Geoff is weak in the mind. Which one you going for? What rotten 'luck' the 17 fit players we have tomorrow is eh? Or a seemingly simple injury that has proven to be difficult to diagnose and fix. But that would be the boring less sensationalist option.....
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