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Post by chrisparker on Jan 7, 2017 17:09:43 GMT
Sack the players or sack the manager & we all know the latter is a lot easier.
The question is who do we bring in for Hughes? Martin O'Niell seems like a good option.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jan 7, 2017 17:15:35 GMT
He could open his wallet!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 17:19:03 GMT
He could open his wallet! It's a good point to be fair. Today Grant - 1 million Johnson - free Shawcross - 1 million Indi - loan Pieters - 3 million Affelay - free Imbula - 18 million Arnie - 3 million Shaq - 12 million Bojan - free Crouch - 10 million In Prem terms that ain't a lot of money. And that's a starting Prem 11. |
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jan 7, 2017 17:27:03 GMT
Hughes will just buy more box to box midfielders.
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Post by mouseykanga2 on Jan 7, 2017 17:30:36 GMT
Said this for ages and people think that I'm being disrespectful....the club is being run as a business. This business needs 100 million to update a very average team.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jan 7, 2017 17:30:43 GMT
He could open his wallet! It's a good point to be fair. Today Grant - 1 million Johnson - free Shawcross - 1 million Indi - loan Pieters - 3 million Affelay - free Imbula - 18 million Arnie - 3 million Shaq - 12 million Bojan - free Crouch - 10 million In Prem terms that ain't a lot of money. And that's a starting Prem 11. It's nothing to do with money. We have one of the strongest squads in the league and there is only probably 5-7 teams I'd swap ours for. It's getting the best out of the squad that counts and that is something that the manager is currently unable to do. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 17:31:25 GMT
In fact looking at that I'd buy a new player for every position bar Arnie and the keeper as we have Butland once fit
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 17:33:15 GMT
It's a good point to be fair. Today Grant - 1 million Johnson - free Shawcross - 1 million Indi - loan Pieters - 3 million Affelay - free Imbula - 18 million Arnie - 3 million Shaq - 12 million Bojan - free Crouch - 10 million In Prem terms that ain't a lot of money. And that's a starting Prem 11. It's nothing to do with money. We have one of the strongest squads in the league and there is only probably 5-7 teams I'd swap ours for. It's getting the best out of the squad that counts and that is something that the manager is currently unable to do. Do we though? There are some hopeful cheap purchases mixed in with some expensive risky ones. When was the last time we went out and bought a player who was actually playing well and deserved to be bought? |
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jan 7, 2017 17:36:00 GMT
It's nothing to do with money. We have one of the strongest squads in the league and there is only probably 5-7 teams I'd swap ours for. It's getting the best out of the squad that counts and that is something that the manager is currently unable to do. Do we though? There are some hopeful cheap purchases mixed in with some expensive risky ones. When was the last time we went out and bought a player who was actually playing well and deserved to be bought?Joe Allen? |
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Post by Pedropotter on Jan 7, 2017 17:38:28 GMT
Do we though? There are some hopeful cheap purchases mixed in with some expensive risky ones. When was the last time we went out and bought a player who was actually playing well and deserved to be bought?Joe Allen? Yeah, but before Joe Allen?.......... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 17:38:34 GMT
Do we though? There are some hopeful cheap purchases mixed in with some expensive risky ones. When was the last time we went out and bought a player who was actually playing well and deserved to be bought?Joe Allen? What 5 games in the Euros? He never played for Liverpool. In fact how did we pick our signings....Bojan, Affelay, Shaq, Indi, Imbula, Bony....cus none of em were playing |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 17:40:48 GMT
What 5 games in the Euros? He never played for Liverpool. In fact how did we pick our signings....Bojan, Affelay, Shaq, Indi, Imbula, Bony....cus none of em were playing So unbelievably naive. Sure, let's cherry pick from excellent sides and pay waaaaay over the odds. Allen was an excellent signing in pretty much every respect. |
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Post by ryd1967 on Jan 7, 2017 17:41:19 GMT
In fact looking at that I'd buy a new player for every position bar Arnie and the keeper as we have Butland once fit Arnie. Sorry he is just idle. |
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jan 7, 2017 17:41:37 GMT
What 5 games in the Euros? He never played for Liverpool. In fact how did we pick our signings....Bojan, Affelay, Shaq, Indi, Imbula, Bony....cus none of em were playing He was playing very well, one of Wales best players at the tournament, he was also decent for Liverpool let's not forget that. |
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Post by Scrotnig on Jan 7, 2017 17:44:09 GMT
Joe Allen is not part of our problems to be honest.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 17:46:54 GMT
You're missing the point.
They are all dogs home signings, even Allen to a lesser extent
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Post by liamo on Jan 7, 2017 17:48:35 GMT
Love Joe Allen and he's been our best player this season...
BUT, and this but really hasn't got much to do with Allen, Hughes bought him to fill a position that we desperately needed to sort out and we're still no better off
Whelan has to play with Afellay beside him, we're far far too fragile to even risk playing Imbula/Bojan at all
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 7, 2017 17:52:58 GMT
Sack the players or sack the manager & we all know the latter is a lot easier. The question is who do we bring in for Hughes? Martin O'Niell seems like a good option. They are not all the options though. Sacking the manager would lead to a clear out of players too. Both options cost money, Hughes would need to be paid off. Releasing players without a fee is similar. Getting full value for Imbula is highly unlikely. We need a balanced side, the only way to achieve that is moving a number of players on, that also means recruiting replacements. The question for Coates is does he trust Hughes to do that? If not who does he bring in to do it? We could limp along to the summer but it might be better to experiment during the rest of the season and hit the ground running at the start of next season. Fortunately it isn't my decision or my money, I trust Coates to do the right thing. It will cost money either way but as the old joke goes"the best way to make a small fortune out of owning a football club, is to start with a large fortune" Over to you Uncle Peter |
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Post by malteser68 on Jan 7, 2017 17:53:30 GMT
Let's be honest with ourselves
Imbula has been one big flop and I can't see him making a mark in the premiership
Perhaps he's not cut for the English game
I'd cut my losses and try to get a decent fee from some French or Spanish side
Not more than 5 million imo so it would be a big financial loss but we cannot depend on him as a mai stay of the team
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Post by generationex on Jan 7, 2017 17:53:51 GMT
We're Stoke. They're always going to be dogs home signings unless you've got a transfer team with real ability to spot the up-and-comings. We haven't.
Dogs home signings are great - if you get the right dog. Huth, Sorenson, Shawcross, Ethers, Fuller etc all came from one.
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Post by stokeoptimist on Jan 7, 2017 17:53:59 GMT
Sad fact is that 18 Million now buys you a player with talent that wont work, if you want both your talking 40+
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Post by ashleyscfc on Jan 7, 2017 17:55:23 GMT
Consequence of the dogs home transfer policy.
Haven't spent decent money in years.
Transfer team and club management has as much to do with this as LMH
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 7, 2017 17:55:27 GMT
We're Stoke. They're always going to be dogs home signings unless you've got a transfer team with real ability to spot the up-and-comings. We haven't. Dogs home signings are great - if you get the right dog. Huth, Sorenson, Shawcross, Ethers, Fuller etc all came from one. I agree to an extent but £18m is not dog's home money |
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Post by ashleyscfc on Jan 7, 2017 17:57:47 GMT
We're Stoke. They're always going to be dogs home signings unless you've got a transfer team with real ability to spot the up-and-comings. We haven't. Dogs home signings are great - if you get the right dog. Huth, Sorenson, Shawcross, Ethers, Fuller etc all came from one. I agree to an extent but £18m is not dog's home money He was a shit buy then. Carto, scholes, Coates (Peter and John) , scouting team and LMH will all sign off on a buy like that. All got it very wrong. Evidence shows we've done that more often than not past few years |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 18:03:53 GMT
We're Stoke. They're always going to be dogs home signings unless you've got a transfer team with real ability to spot the up-and-comings. We haven't. Dogs home signings are great - if you get the right dog. Huth, Sorenson, Shawcross, Ethers, Fuller etc all came from one. I wouldn't say Huth, Shawcross, Sorenson were dogs home signings |
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Post by AlanHansen on Jan 7, 2017 18:11:33 GMT
I wouldn't give Hughes another penny.
The squad is imbalanced and needs big overhaul. Therefore Hughes has to go. Simple as that.
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Post by samba :) on Jan 7, 2017 18:17:48 GMT
He could open his wallet! It's a good point to be fair. Today Grant - 1 million Johnson - free Shawcross - 1 million Indi - loan Pieters - 3 million Affelay - free Imbula - 18 million Arnie - 3 million Shaq - 12 million Bojan - free Crouch - 10 million In Prem terms that ain't a lot of money. And that's a starting Prem 11. the two shittest starting players were the most expensive |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 18:19:12 GMT
Must admit, the squad looks a mismatch. There is no doubt about that. Not enjoying this season one little bit!
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Post by stokemark on Jan 7, 2017 18:28:07 GMT
It's a good point to be fair. Today Grant - 1 million Johnson - free Shawcross - 1 million Indi - loan Pieters - 3 million Affelay - free Imbula - 18 million Arnie - 3 million Shaq - 12 million Bojan - free Crouch - 10 million In Prem terms that ain't a lot of money. And that's a starting Prem 11. It's nothing to do with money. We have one of the strongest squads in the league and there is only probably 5-7 teams I'd swap ours for. It's getting the best out of the squad that counts and that is something that the manager is currently unable to do. We do not have one of the strongest squads in the league |
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Post by stokemark on Jan 7, 2017 18:30:39 GMT
Consequence of the dogs home transfer policy. Haven't spent decent money in years. Transfer team and club management has as much to do with this as LMH Totally agree - we have sleep walked into this as the game has continued to change at a relentless pace |
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