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Post by stokiemart83 on Jan 1, 2017 14:49:32 GMT
Now he can't cheat in our area on corners and free kicks by pretty much rugby tackling the opposing players down,(I'm not sayin he was the only defender to do it) but do u think now he's been found out that he's not the good defender that we thought he was!?! For me, Muniesa needs to get back in the team, and drop shawcross!
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 1, 2017 14:50:24 GMT
Now he can't cheat in our area on corners and free kicks by pretty much rugby tackling the opposing players down,(I'm not sayin he was the only defender to do it) but do u think now he's been found out that he's not the good defender that we thought he was!?! For me, Muniesa needs to get back in the team, and drop shawcross! Thanks. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2017 14:50:55 GMT
It's likely had an effect, but let's not lose our heads over the club captain. Keep it civil.
He's having a bad time in the back three, but in a back four he's arguably our best defender.
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Post by Waggy on Jan 1, 2017 14:53:06 GMT
Now he can't cheat in our area on corners and free kicks by pretty much rugby tackling the opposing players down,(I'm not sayin he was the only defender to do it) but do u think now he's been found out that he's not the good defender that we thought he was!?! For me, Muniesa needs to get back in the team, and drop shawcross! I dont agree personally. |
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Post by march4 on Jan 1, 2017 14:53:46 GMT
Under TP, Ryan got better and better with every season that passed.
Under Hughes, Ryan has got worse with every season.
Is that really Ryan's fault??
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Post by Davef on Jan 1, 2017 14:55:00 GMT
Under TP, Ryan got better and better with every season that passed. Under Hughes, Ryan has got worse with every season. Is that really Ryan's fault?? He's had two bad back injuries under Hughes. |
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 1, 2017 14:58:32 GMT
Under TP, Ryan got better and better with every season that passed. Under Hughes, Ryan has got worse with every season. Is that really Ryan's fault?? He's had two bad back injuries under Hughes. Never fully recovered, bought back in too early at the end of last season to shore up a terrible defensive unit. |
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Post by sportsman on Jan 1, 2017 15:01:27 GMT
Under TP, Ryan got better and better with every season that passed. Under Hughes, Ryan has got worse with every season. Is that really Ryan's fault?? Was that helped by having 9 other defenders around him? |
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Post by march4 on Jan 1, 2017 15:02:12 GMT
Under TP, Ryan got better and better with every season that passed. Under Hughes, Ryan has got worse with every season. Is that really Ryan's fault?? He's had two bad back injuries under Hughes. Very true Dave. Is the lad fit even now? |
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Post by march4 on Jan 1, 2017 15:03:48 GMT
Under TP, Ryan got better and better with every season that passed. Under Hughes, Ryan has got worse with every season. Is that really Ryan's fault?? Was that helped by having 9 other defenders around him? You would have thought that would have hampered his development - all those defenders falling over each other. |
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 1, 2017 15:07:34 GMT
I feel like a hovering vulture thinking about Ryan's demise!
He is not the player he was; could be injuries have spoiled him, he has not fully recovered, he's not fit, tighter refereeing, old age (?), missing Huth, or combination of these.
He seems to be very negative in his attitude with pass backs and putting the ball in the back row needlessly. Just the opposite of some of the other players who try to pass and play with the ball when they should get it off the pitch.
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Post by uknorse on Jan 1, 2017 15:08:07 GMT
Now he can't cheat in our area on corners and free kicks by pretty much rugby tackling the opposing players down,(I'm not sayin he was the only defender to do it) but do u think now he's been found out that he's not the good defender that we thought he was!?! For me, Muniesa needs to get back in the team, and drop shawcross! what have u been drinkin? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2017 15:08:23 GMT
Was that helped by having 9 other defenders around him? You would have thought that would have hampered his development - all those defenders falling over each other. It did. That's why he looked like a fish out of water when he played for England. Suddenly he didn't have layer after layer of defensive cover in front of him. He was looking better than ever under Hughes until his back injuries. |
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 1, 2017 15:09:22 GMT
He's had two bad back injuries under Hughes. Very true Dave. Is the lad fit even now? Not fully recovered from calf injury? |
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Post by liamo on Jan 1, 2017 15:12:01 GMT
Could it be that Sparky isn't focused as much on the defensive side of the game?
Moving to a back 3 instead of flat 4 hasn't really helped him much either
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Post by pipesurgeon on Jan 1, 2017 15:13:13 GMT
Yes Ryan is having a poor run this zone marking doesn't suit him ,can he still man mark with out shirt pulling?
Also when he goes up for a corner he doesn't look committed like he used to be ,is his back still a problem? I'm probably answering my own questions here in the "Dennis Smith" days the ball goes in the net no matter what
Hopefully he can get back to his best soon
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 1, 2017 15:13:15 GMT
Very true Dave. Is the lad fit even now? Not fully recovered from calf injury? Really ? if so why is he playing. |
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 1, 2017 15:16:17 GMT
Not fully recovered from calf injury? Really ? if so why is he playing. Is that a rhetorical question? |
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Post by jeycov on Jan 1, 2017 15:18:12 GMT
He's had two bad back injuries under Hughes. Never fully recovered, bought back in too early at the end of last season to shore up a terrible defensive unit. With more cover, he could have been eased back into the starting 11 rather than playing 90 minutes once "ready" I'm not convinced that he is fully fit! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2017 15:20:46 GMT
Now he can't cheat in our area on corners and free kicks by pretty much rugby tackling the opposing players down,(I'm not sayin he was the only defender to do it) but do u think now he's been found out that he's not the good defender that we thought he was!?! For me, Muniesa needs to get back in the team, and drop shawcross! So replace a player that's struggling to find his feet after a couple of injuries with one that's actually injured? |
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Post by stokiemart83 on Jan 1, 2017 15:21:28 GMT
I Just think since these new rules have come in, his defending on set pieces has been woeful!!! He has got away with alot of grappling in our area over the years, and now he can't, he's been found out! If he wasn't fully fit, surely shawcross wouldn't put himself out there! I think personally, he's not as good as we thought he was, now he can't cheat on crosses in our area!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2017 15:23:56 GMT
I Just think since these new rules have come in, his defending on set pieces has been woeful!!! He has got away with alot of grappling in our area over the years, and now he can't, he's been found out! If he wasn't fully fit, surely shawcross wouldn't put himself out there! I think personally, he's not as good as we thought he was, now he can't cheat on crosses in our area! We have no other fit defenders so knowing Shawcross he's putting himself on the pitch whilst not being 100% for the good of the team. And in return he gets people on here taking the piss out of him saying his career is over and how he's shit and should be replaced.... |
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Post by wuzza on Jan 1, 2017 15:26:09 GMT
It's very odd that Hughes didn't give himself more defensive options before the season started.
Recruiting one CB and losing another really wasn't what was required.
Weve been using bit part players, and not fully fit players ever since. Can't understand it at all.
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Post by stokiemart83 on Jan 1, 2017 15:26:19 GMT
Do u really think shawcross would play if he thought he wasn't fully fit!?! Surely not! Muniesa was doing a good job there!
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Post by Davef on Jan 1, 2017 15:27:35 GMT
Do u really think shawcross would play if he thought he wasn't fully fit!?! Surely not! Muniesa was doing a good job there! Muniesa's injured! |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 1, 2017 15:32:57 GMT
Do u really think shawcross would play if he thought he wasn't fully fit!?! Surely not! Muniesa was doing a good job there! Muniesa's injured! Don't start introducing facts into the thread. Shawcross is the spawn of the Devil and needs to be killed with a steak (  ) through the heart. |
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Post by Old School Stokie on Jan 1, 2017 15:33:15 GMT
Hughes misplaced loyalty in shawcross is costing us dear. We need to address our defensive frailties in this window.
And yes shawcross is far far too negative even when he used to make aimless hoofs upfront, his preferred ball was back to keeper. Time to go I'm afraid
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Post by jeycov on Jan 1, 2017 15:34:07 GMT
Do u really think shawcross would play if he thought he wasn't fully fit!?! Surely not! Muniesa was doing a good job there! Yes I think Shawcross would opt to play through the pain. The fact that our remaining experienced defenders are injured puts even more pressure on him. No depth in the squad / inadequate cover has put him back in this position. Who would you play if Shawcross, Muniesa, Cameron and Bardsley not available? |
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Jan 1, 2017 15:34:34 GMT
Can't believe that more is not being made of our captain being described as a cheat and woeful,in the spirit of the new year, fuck off up the vale.
As a supposed supporter of our club you should be aware of what Ryan has been through the last 2 and half years and the whole defensive frailties for a number of reasons, apart from Bruno, Ryan is the least of our worries.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jan 1, 2017 15:37:12 GMT
Ryan's way off form but a cheat? Never.
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