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Post by silverdollar on Dec 28, 2016 16:07:36 GMT
Yesterday we played Liverpool away. Presently they are one of the best teams in the Premiership. They have one of the top rated managers in Europe. Bookmakers, who are impartial, had Stoke at 13/2 to win the game. It was only 12/1 for Liverpool to win the game 4-1. What this should tell you is that the odds were stacked against Stoke getting any sort of result!
I can understand the disappointment fans have with yesterday's result because Shawcross(2), Johnson and Imbula made such stupid errors that we were severely punished for but all this talk about lack of effort, lack of bottle and the call for Hughes to be sacked is absolutely disgraceful and generally highlights our fans lack of heart and reliability.
Mark Hughes, the coaches and the transfer team have worked wonders to get us into 9th over the last two seasons. So we are not doing well at the moment. Isn't that when a club needs it fans?
This club has probably the best squad of players it ever has had and it's so called fans bombard this forum with so much shit! Before you open your mouths you should put your brains into gear.
In the new year we can look forward to a starting eleven which will include Butland, Johnson, Indi, Muniesa, Pieters, Affelay, Allen, Imbula, Arnautovic, Shaqiri, Sobhi, Bojan and the likes. You tell me that these players haven't got any quality?
Stop bleating like idiots! Calm down! Get behind our team and manager! We will have a happier second half to the season.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Dec 28, 2016 16:09:07 GMT
Liverpool were shit yesterday but still managed to expose us. We are diabolical look at our results this year. AWFUL. It's time for a change.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 28, 2016 16:13:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 16:14:10 GMT
Yesterday we played Liverpool away. Presently they are one of the best teams in the Premiership. They have one of the top rated managers in Europe. Bookmakers, who are impartial, had Stoke at 13/2 to win the game. It was only 12/1 for Liverpool to win the game 4-1. What this should tell you is that the odds were stacked against Stoke getting any sort of result! I can understand the disappointment fans have with yesterday's result because Shawcross(2), Johnson and Imbula made such stupid errors that we were severely punished for but all this talk about lack of effort, lack of bottle and the call for Hughes to be sacked is absolutely disgraceful and generally highlights our fans lack of heart and reliability. Mark Hughes, the coaches and the transfer team have worked wonders to get us into 9th over the last two seasons. So we are not doing well at the moment. Isn't that when a club needs it fans? This club has probably the best squad of players it ever has had and it's so called fans bombard this forum with so much shit! Before you open your mouths you should put your brains into gear. In the new year we can look forward to a starting eleven which will include Butland, Johnson, Indi, Muniesa, Pieters, Affelay, Allen, Imbula, Arnautovic, Shaqiri, Sobhi, Bojan and the likes. You tell me that these players haven't got any quality? Stop bleating like idiots! Calm down! Get behind our team and manager! We will have a happier second half to the season. With all due respect I'm getting a tad pissed off with this type of post. Your position is absolutely fine if you are talking about one game in isolation. However we are not, we are talking about a whole calendar year. We've only beaten poor teams, we lost by more than three goals on ten occasions. The football is crap. The problems weren't addressed in The Summer. It's nothing to do with fickle fans we are on a downward spiral. Fans have every right to be pissed off. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 28, 2016 16:15:48 GMT
I actually think we. Have decent fans with pretty. Clear values right now the issue sits with managememt of the team and the transfer strategy , the latter of which had been diabolical for window after window
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Post by wuzza on Dec 28, 2016 16:16:35 GMT
These sort of posts are as predictable as those calling for the managers head. The response is the standard one too - the vast majority of complaints are not relating to one particular game but a long long period of sub standard performances.
Results like yesterday's just throw everything into sharp relief and reactions come thick and fast.
...and finally no I don't think we are anywhere even close to being the most fickle.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 28, 2016 16:19:37 GMT
Liverpool were shit yesterday but still managed to expose us. We are diabolical look at our results this year. AWFUL. It's time for a change. That is absolute tripe. I'm no fan of the press who often talk tripe as well but today they are in unison about how very good they were. The only person it seems who has a good word for Stoke is Klopp. We are not as good this year but words like diabolical is a prime example of a fickle Stoke fan. We are 4 points off 8th place; how would you describe the teams below us? We have another tough match on Saturday which I expect we will lose and have all the mud slinging on Oatcake, then we play Watford who have lost more matches than us and conceded more goals. |
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Post by mattface on Dec 28, 2016 16:20:22 GMT
Yesterday we played Liverpool away. Presently they are one of the best teams in the Premiership. They have one of the top rated managers in Europe. Bookmakers, who are impartial, had Stoke at 13/2 to win the game. It was only 12/1 for Liverpool to win the game 4-1. What this should tell you is that the odds were stacked against Stoke getting any sort of result! I can understand the disappointment fans have with yesterday's result because Shawcross(2), Johnson and Imbula made such stupid errors that we were severely punished for but all this talk about lack of effort, lack of bottle and the call for Hughes to be sacked is absolutely disgraceful and generally highlights our fans lack of heart and reliability. Mark Hughes, the coaches and the transfer team have worked wonders to get us into 9th over the last two seasons. So we are not doing well at the moment. Isn't that when a club needs it fans? This club has probably the best squad of players it ever has had and it's so called fans bombard this forum with so much shit! Before you open your mouths you should put your brains into gear. In the new year we can look forward to a starting eleven which will include Butland, Johnson, Indi, Muniesa, Pieters, Affelay, Allen, Imbula, Arnautovic, Shaqiri, Sobhi, Bojan and the likes. You tell me that these players haven't got any quality? Stop bleating like idiots! Calm down! Get behind our team and manager! We will have a happier second half to the season. With all due respect I'm getting a tad pissed off with this type of post. Your position is absolutely fine if you are talking about one game in isolation. However we are not, we are talking about a whole calendar year. We've only beaten poor teams, we lost by more than three goals on ten occasions. The football is crap. The problems weren't addressed in The Summer. It's nothing to do with fickle fans we are on a downward spiral. Fans have every right to be pissed off. Very true but support is all about taking the rough with the smooth. Things are a bit rough at the moment, but they have been far worse. Yes be pissed off but some of the innane drivel posted on here after every loss is tiresome at best. A downward spiral when we have finished higher three seasons running isn't right surely. On to Chelsea  |
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Post by wuzza on Dec 28, 2016 16:26:18 GMT
With all due respect I'm getting a tad pissed off with this type of post. Your position is absolutely fine if you are talking about one game in isolation. However we are not, we are talking about a whole calendar year. We've only beaten poor teams, we lost by more than three goals on ten occasions. The football is crap. The problems weren't addressed in The Summer. It's nothing to do with fickle fans we are on a downward spiral. Fans have every right to be pissed off. Very true but support is all about taking the rough with the smooth. Things are a bit rough at the moment, but they have been far worse. Yes be pissed off but some of the innane drivel posted on here after every loss is tiresome at best. A downward spiral when we have finished higher three seasons running isn't right surely. On to Chelsea I think the overall message is that performance levels have been on a downward spiral - they certainly have been in home games. |
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Post by superheroantonius on Dec 28, 2016 16:28:32 GMT
Stoke have good fans :-)
But no fans anywhere will warm to players whose heart isn't in it
Sparky needs to do a U turn and forget going down that route
Even if it means signing technically less skillful players
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 16:32:52 GMT
They weren't fickle fans singing Delilah at Liverpool yesterday, they made us proud, belted it out in the first five mins.
Fickle fans would have gone to Man United by now.
Some people in life are more vocal than others and at this moment have a right to complain.
Only the most optimistic expected anything other than defeat yesterday, however it's not the defeat that people are complaining about it's the piss poor quality of the play from players who we know are more capable. If only they could be bothered. Add to that the poor team selections and even the manager is getting justified stick.
Happy clapping is not debating anything, calling other fans plastic, fickle or anything else just because they don't share your opinion is childish.
Live and let live.
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 28, 2016 16:36:19 GMT
Yesterday we played Liverpool away. Presently they are one of the best teams in the Premiership. They have one of the top rated managers in Europe. Bookmakers, who are impartial, had Stoke at 13/2 to win the game. It was only 12/1 for Liverpool to win the game 4-1. What this should tell you is that the odds were stacked against Stoke getting any sort of result! I can understand the disappointment fans have with yesterday's result because Shawcross(2), Johnson and Imbula made such stupid errors that we were severely punished for but all this talk about lack of effort, lack of bottle and the call for Hughes to be sacked is absolutely disgraceful and generally highlights our fans lack of heart and reliability. Mark Hughes, the coaches and the transfer team have worked wonders to get us into 9th over the last two seasons. So we are not doing well at the moment. Isn't that when a club needs it fans? This club has probably the best squad of players it ever has had and it's so called fans bombard this forum with so much shit! Before you open your mouths you should put your brains into gear. In the new year we can look forward to a starting eleven which will include Butland, Johnson, Indi, Muniesa, Pieters, Affelay, Allen, Imbula, Arnautovic, Shaqiri, Sobhi, Bojan and the likes. You tell me that these players haven't got any quality? Stop bleating like idiots! Calm down! Get behind our team and manager! We will have a happier second half to the season. Take a look at the arsewipes Claude and co are so fickle it should be spelt with a capital F And unfortunately they on the odd occasion win something |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 16:39:17 GMT
With all due respect I'm getting a tad pissed off with this type of post. Your position is absolutely fine if you are talking about one game in isolation. However we are not, we are talking about a whole calendar year. We've only beaten poor teams, we lost by more than three goals on ten occasions. The football is crap. The problems weren't addressed in The Summer. It's nothing to do with fickle fans we are on a downward spiral. Fans have every right to be pissed off. Very true but support is all about taking the rough with the smooth. Things are a bit rough at the moment, but they have been far worse. Yes be pissed off but some of the innane drivel posted on here after every loss is tiresome at best. A downward spiral when we have finished higher three seasons running isn't right surely. On to Chelsea There's always inane drivel as well as the happy clappers but in the middle there is reasoned debate. Even the most moderate posters are seriously concerned. You can bet your bottom dollar we won't finish in the top ten this season. |
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Post by Cast no shadow on Dec 28, 2016 16:40:50 GMT
With the players at our disposal we should be doing a lot better
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Post by gibby1409 on Dec 28, 2016 16:50:48 GMT
I think we've got some fantastic fans. But there are people who post on here, who actually relish us losing. Luckily the Oatcake only represents a very small % of our fans, and I believe the vast majority really back the team.
Last night for 30 mins we were really at it. We conceded four bad goals, all avoidable, and we let them out of site. Mistakes made by our top players let us down, they had a bad day, simple as that. I'm disappointed but I'd never slag the players off for making mistakes, we all do it, and they would be as pissed off about it as us.
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Post by roylandstoke on Dec 28, 2016 16:56:22 GMT
Most football fans moan about their own team.
Are we the most fickle?
There are an awful lot of Leicester fans calling for Ranieri to go; I think that takes some beating.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 16:59:02 GMT
Frustration is the key word in all of this. Supporters have seen huge money spent on players and the end result is a more pedestrian side that plays in fits and starts and struggles to score more than one goal a game.
People are just frustrated.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Dec 28, 2016 17:08:41 GMT
Yeah we must have.
It's not as if we've conceded 4 a lot this year is it?
Not as if we've signed players and not had a clue what to do with them is it?
Not as if we leave our better players on the bench for no reason is it?
Fickle bastards.
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 28, 2016 17:08:52 GMT
If we beat Chelsea then is hughes a god , your only as good as your last game , people forget we will win lose and draw this season , play shit and lose , play awfull and win, that's football we are not worldbeaters
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Post by mattface on Dec 28, 2016 17:15:41 GMT
Very true but support is all about taking the rough with the smooth. Things are a bit rough at the moment, but they have been far worse. Yes be pissed off but some of the innane drivel posted on here after every loss is tiresome at best. A downward spiral when we have finished higher three seasons running isn't right surely. On to Chelsea There's always inane drivel as well as the happy clappers but in the middle there is reasoned debate. Even the most moderate posters are seriously concerned. You can bet your bottom dollar we won't finish in the top ten this season. Seems the reasoned debate is harder to find. Started well yesterday but fell away. Individual errors of the most basic kind cost us yesterday and it's difficult to remain positive. Oh well on to Chelsea and a chance to change things in the transfer window |
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Dec 28, 2016 17:16:36 GMT
Liverpool were shit yesterday but still managed to expose us. We are diabolical look at our results this year. AWFUL. It's time for a change. That is absolute tripe. I'm no fan of the press who often talk tripe as well but today they are in unison about how very good they were. The only person it seems who has a good word for Stoke is Klopp. We are not as good this year but words like diabolical is a prime example of a fickle Stoke fan. We are 4 points off 8th place; how would you describe the teams below us? We have another tough match on Saturday which I expect we will lose and have all the mud slinging on Oatcake, then we play Watford who have lost more matches than us and conceded more goals. It's more about how we are playing, not the fact we lose to teams like Liverpool. I fully expect them to beat us. Look at the results we've had in 2016 you're blind if you can't see problems at this club. We are only regressing. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 17:23:53 GMT
No, we don't.
This is a messageboard and thus an echo chamber for super-positive or super-negative opinions. Perspective seems to be trodden down in favour of exaggeration.
I'm disappointed with the Stoke of 2016, but we've a good squad and a good manager.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Dec 28, 2016 17:30:58 GMT
With the players at our disposal we should be doing a lot better We can't express this enough. I think even Bob Bradley would achieve more than Hughes with our squad of players. |
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Dec 28, 2016 17:31:20 GMT
With the players at our disposal we should be doing a lot better We can't express this enough. I think even Bob Bradley would achieve more than Hughes with our squad of players. Scrap that, I think even Bob the fucking builder would achieve more. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 17:36:07 GMT
Yesterday we played Liverpool away. Presently they are one of the best teams in the Premiership. They have one of the top rated managers in Europe. Bookmakers, who are impartial, had Stoke at 13/2 to win the game. It was only 12/1 for Liverpool to win the game 4-1. What this should tell you is that the odds were stacked against Stoke getting any sort of result! I can understand the disappointment fans have with yesterday's result because Shawcross(2), Johnson and Imbula made such stupid errors that we were severely punished for but all this talk about lack of effort, lack of bottle and the call for Hughes to be sacked is absolutely disgraceful and generally highlights our fans lack of heart and reliability. Mark Hughes, the coaches and the transfer team have worked wonders to get us into 9th over the last two seasons. So we are not doing well at the moment. Isn't that when a club needs it fans? This club has probably the best squad of players it ever has had and it's so called fans bombard this forum with so much shit! Before you open your mouths you should put your brains into gear. In the new year we can look forward to a starting eleven which will include Butland, Johnson, Indi, Muniesa, Pieters, Affelay, Allen, Imbula, Arnautovic, Shaqiri, Sobhi, Bojan and the likes. You tell me that these players haven't got any quality? Stop bleating like idiots! Calm down! Get behind our team and manager! We will have a happier second half to the season. There is nothing fickle about fans being concerned about the fact that: In over 60% of our losses in 2016 we have conceded 3+ goals. 90% of the teams we have beat in 2016 were either relegated or in relegation spots. We are overloaded in some areas and criminally thin in others. We don't have a decent forward on the books. We are consistently dealing with injuries. Best of all though we play a forward at right wing back. It's poetic really as the previous guy in charge was slated for playing a right back as a forward. It is beautiful. The simple fact is for 12 months we have been declining and unless Hughes finally decides on his team selection, tactics and sorts out the glaring issues then its gonna be a long hard season. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 17:39:00 GMT
Inconsistency and shambolic defending, plus injury prone players, adds up to a poor season. Surely you cannot sympathise with the amount of silly points thrown away, especially at home, and expect fans to put up with it, without expressing deep concern. Throwing points away like we have done on several occasions will not stop me bleating, as you call it. As for the Liverpool game, three if not all four came from stuff you wouldn't expect to see regularly in a game on your local park. These are so called professional's getting very well paid to perform in a professional manner. They all need to get their bloody fingers out!
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Post by shrewspotter on Dec 28, 2016 17:39:55 GMT
I don't think we have the most fickle fans in the prem,
if you look at our performances they have been pretty dross for 12 months, Imbula isn't worth anywhere neat the 18m we paid for him, we are not getting the best out of Bojan and Shaq and our veterans are in the twilight of their careers and it shows. ON top of all that the constant messing with formations and chopping and changing the team without giving youth a chance is frustrating to say the least. The fact is we should be doing better than we are, for the first year since we got promoted we have declined
I don't think its time to rid of Hughes but this is a big window for him, in my mind we need to buy 3 and dispose of some deadwood
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 17:44:09 GMT
I don't think we have the most fickle fans in the prem, if you look at our performances they have been pretty dross for 12 months, Imbula isn't worth anywhere neat the 18m we paid for him, we are not getting the best out of Bojan and Shaq and our veterans are in the twilight of their careers and it shows. ON top of all that the constant messing with formations and chopping and changing the team without giving youth a chance is frustrating to say the least. The fact is we should be doing better than we are, for the first year since we got promoted we have declined I don't think its time to rid of Hughes but this is a big window for him, in my mind we need to buy 3 and dispose of some deadwood Your post was accurate until you said that this is the first year since promotion we have declined. Those last 2 seasons under Pulis were utterly horrendous and honestly thought we would drop down a league. |
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Post by Miles Offside on Dec 28, 2016 17:52:03 GMT
Yesterday we played Liverpool away. Presently they are one of the best teams in the Premiership. They have one of the top rated managers in Europe. Bookmakers, who are impartial, had Stoke at 13/2 to win the game. It was only 12/1 for Liverpool to win the game 4-1. What this should tell you is that the odds were stacked against Stoke getting any sort of result! I can understand the disappointment fans have with yesterday's result because Shawcross(2), Johnson and Imbula made such stupid errors that we were severely punished for but all this talk about lack of effort, lack of bottle and the call for Hughes to be sacked is absolutely disgraceful and generally highlights our fans lack of heart and reliability. Mark Hughes, the coaches and the transfer team have worked wonders to get us into 9th over the last two seasons. So we are not doing well at the moment. Isn't that when a club needs it fans? This club has probably the best squad of players it ever has had and it's so called fans bombard this forum with so much shit! Before you open your mouths you should put your brains into gear. In the new year we can look forward to a starting eleven which will include Butland, Johnson, Indi, Muniesa, Pieters, Affelay, Allen, Imbula, Arnautovic, Shaqiri, Sobhi, Bojan and the likes. You tell me that these players haven't got any quality? Stop bleating like idiots! Calm down! Get behind our team and manager! We will have a happier second half to the season. Groan... |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 28, 2016 17:53:13 GMT
The Leicester game didn't help. That was harder to take and spineless management.
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