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Post by Skankmonkey on Dec 23, 2016 12:36:13 GMT
I thought the first one concerning The Battle of Zama 202 BC was better. The battlefield action was easier to follow anyway. The Waterloo one pretty much descended into chaos from what I could see.
If I was eight years old again I would probably have thought they were great mind. I'd likely have been inspired to pick a history book up and buy the entire set of plastic AIRFIX HO/OO model soldiers again!
Conn igguldens books on Caesar and the mongols are cracking reads in the sharpe moulds facty fiction I'll look them up.
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Post by potterinleeds on Dec 23, 2016 13:04:35 GMT
My knowledge of waterloo is pretty much sharpe the book not tv related and a few snippets in a book called warrior nation,cracking read about the british isles history of warfare as you can imagine its quite a large volume. Am i right in saying that the holding of the farm house was quite pivitol in the overall scheme. Ps not watched the new time commanders any good? I thought the first one concerning The Battle of Zama 202 BC was better. The battlefield action was easier to follow anyway. The Waterloo one pretty much descended into chaos from what I could see.
If I was eight years old again I would probably have thought they were great mind. I'd likely have been inspired to pick a history book up and buy the entire set of plastic AIRFIX HO/OO model soldiers again!
They did the Battle of the Teutoburger Wald, 9 A.D, a few series ago, and the then Ayreh Neusbacher got very annoyed with the contestants as they managed to get their three Roman legions through the forest pass (as opposed to being wiped out as in real life) but then were so weakened that they would have been picked off by the remaining Germanic tribesmen. They excavated the battlefield a few years ago and found all sorts of amazing things. There is a very good museum there at a place called Kalkreise. which is on my list of places to visit in Germany. Two good books on it - Peter S Wells - The Battle that Stopped Rome and Tony Clunn Auf der Suche nach den verlorenen Legionen. The latter is the more interesting, as he was a retired British army major who went out metal detecting and basically found a trail of coins, kit and other debris leading to the battle site; there has been an English edition out for a few years. Atmospheric stuff - Romans marching in long drawn out column through dense woodland and swamp, muffling the bells of their pack horses so they could hear out for the Germans creeping around in the trees. Germans stripping naked, plaiting their hair, covering themselves in peaty mud and coming out of the forest at night like ghosts to pick off stragglers. My wife says that I would make a good prehistoric German but that's probably best left for another thread.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Dec 23, 2016 13:54:56 GMT
I thought the first one concerning The Battle of Zama 202 BC was better. The battlefield action was easier to follow anyway. The Waterloo one pretty much descended into chaos from what I could see.
If I was eight years old again I would probably have thought they were great mind. I'd likely have been inspired to pick a history book up and buy the entire set of plastic AIRFIX HO/OO model soldiers again!
They did the Battle of the Teutoburger Wald, 9 A.D, a few series ago, and the then Ayreh Neusbacher got very annoyed with the contestants as they managed to get their three Roman legions through the forest pass (as opposed to being wiped out as in real life) but then were so weakened that they would have been picked off by the remaining Germanic tribesmen. They excavated the battlefield a few years ago and found all sorts of amazing things. There is a very good museum there at a place called Kalkreise. which is on my list of places to visit in Germany. Two good books on it - Peter S Wells - The Battle that Stopped Rome and Tony Clunn Auf der Suche nach den verlorenen Legionen. The latter is the more interesting, as he was a retired British army major who went out metal detecting and basically found a trail of coins, kit and other debris leading to the battle site; there has been an English edition out for a few years. Atmospheric stuff - Romans marching in long drawn out column through dense woodland and swamp, muffling the bells of their pack horses so they could hear out for the Germans creeping around in the trees. Germans stripping naked, plaiting their hair, covering themselves in peaty mud and coming out of the forest at night like ghosts to pick off stragglers. My wife says that I would make a good prehistoric German but that's probably best left for another thread. "Quintilius Varus, give me back my Legions" - Augustus Caeser or "Quintilius Varus where are my Eagles" - Brian Blessed as Augustus in I Claudius. :-) :-) I've not spent much time in Germany. That description of the last series Time Commanders rings a bell though. Over ten years ago now, I think.
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Post by potterinleeds on Dec 23, 2016 14:04:15 GMT
They did the Battle of the Teutoburger Wald, 9 A.D, a few series ago, and the then Ayreh Neusbacher got very annoyed with the contestants as they managed to get their three Roman legions through the forest pass (as opposed to being wiped out as in real life) but then were so weakened that they would have been picked off by the remaining Germanic tribesmen. They excavated the battlefield a few years ago and found all sorts of amazing things. There is a very good museum there at a place called Kalkreise. which is on my list of places to visit in Germany. Two good books on it - Peter S Wells - The Battle that Stopped Rome and Tony Clunn Auf der Suche nach den verlorenen Legionen. The latter is the more interesting, as he was a retired British army major who went out metal detecting and basically found a trail of coins, kit and other debris leading to the battle site; there has been an English edition out for a few years. Atmospheric stuff - Romans marching in long drawn out column through dense woodland and swamp, muffling the bells of their pack horses so they could hear out for the Germans creeping around in the trees. Germans stripping naked, plaiting their hair, covering themselves in peaty mud and coming out of the forest at night like ghosts to pick off stragglers. My wife says that I would make a good prehistoric German but that's probably best left for another thread. "Quintilius Varus, give me back my Legions" - Augustus Caeser or "Quintilius Varus where are my Eagles" - Brian Blessed as Augustus in I Claudius. :-) :-) I've not spent much time in Germany. That description of the last series Time Commanders rings a bell though. Over ten years ago now, I think. Blimey, how time flies. Yes, that's the quote that often comes up. The whole episode was disastrous for the Romans - the German equivalent of Hadrian's Wall is called Der Limes (runs north of Frankfurt) and over the last 10 years they have excavated lots of burgeoning settlements up to 50km to the north of it that were all abandoned in a panic apparently very soon after the battle and never re-occupied. My wife is German (hence the prehistoric German fetish) and so I go there a lot. I have to say I think that it is wildly underrated as a tourist destination. Beautiful beaches to the North with skies that go on for ever, some great medieval cities, lots of little lanes and squares to poke around in, amazing breweries, lots of wooded countryside.
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Post by murphthesurf on Dec 23, 2016 14:12:15 GMT
Marshal Blucher and his Prussians were pivotal in us winning at Waterloo mate . Just playing bisp That's one piece of history I'm comfortable with Bloody love it... My favourite eraMine too, Mares, along with the French Revolution and the British Industrial Revolution....... and, of course, all the Henry VIII stuff. Can I have four favourites??!!
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Post by murphthesurf on Dec 23, 2016 14:18:31 GMT
My knowledge of waterloo is pretty much sharpe the book not tv related and a few snippets in a book called warrior nation,cracking read about the british isles history of warfare as you can imagine its quite a large volume. Am i right in saying that the holding of the farm house was quite pivitol in the overall scheme. Ps not watched the new time commanders any good? Ive seena few things on the TV about it, and the farmhouse was mentioned as a pivitol point in the battle. I'm sure a few bits of the ruined farmhouse are still there..... I seem to remember the very site being featured in a TV programme commemorating the bicentenary last year.
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Post by Northy on Dec 23, 2016 14:18:34 GMT
They did the Battle of the Teutoburger Wald, 9 A.D, a few series ago, and the then Ayreh Neusbacher got very annoyed with the contestants as they managed to get their three Roman legions through the forest pass (as opposed to being wiped out as in real life) but then were so weakened that they would have been picked off by the remaining Germanic tribesmen. They excavated the battlefield a few years ago and found all sorts of amazing things. There is a very good museum there at a place called Kalkreise. which is on my list of places to visit in Germany. Two good books on it - Peter S Wells - The Battle that Stopped Rome and Tony Clunn Auf der Suche nach den verlorenen Legionen. The latter is the more interesting, as he was a retired British army major who went out metal detecting and basically found a trail of coins, kit and other debris leading to the battle site; there has been an English edition out for a few years. Atmospheric stuff - Romans marching in long drawn out column through dense woodland and swamp, muffling the bells of their pack horses so they could hear out for the Germans creeping around in the trees. Germans stripping naked, plaiting their hair, covering themselves in peaty mud and coming out of the forest at night like ghosts to pick off stragglers. My wife says that I would make a good prehistoric German but that's probably best left for another thread. "Quintilius Varus, give me back my Legions" - Augustus Caeser or "Quintilius Varus where are my Eagles" - Brian Blessed as Augustus in I Claudius. :-) :-) I've not spent much time in Germany. That description of the last series Time Commanders rings a bell though. Over ten years ago now, I think. Horrible Histories the story of the battle on youtube
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Post by Skankmonkey on Dec 23, 2016 14:20:10 GMT
"Quintilius Varus, give me back my Legions" - Augustus Caeser or "Quintilius Varus where are my Eagles" - Brian Blessed as Augustus in I Claudius. :-) :-) I've not spent much time in Germany. That description of the last series Time Commanders rings a bell though. Over ten years ago now, I think. Blimey, how time flies. Yes, that's the quote that often comes up. The whole episode was disastrous for the Romans - the German equivalent of Hadrian's Wall is called Der Limes (runs north of Frankfurt) and over the last 10 years they have excavated lots of burgeoning settlements up to 50km to the north of it that were all abandoned in a panic apparently very soon after the battle and never re-occupied. My wife is German (hence the prehistoric German fetish) and so I go there a lot. I have to say I think that it is wildly underrated as a tourist destination. Beautiful beaches to the North with skies that go on for ever, some great medieval cities, lots of little lanes and squares to poke around in, amazing breweries, lots of wooded countryside. Am I right in thinking that is when the idea of there being a limit to the size of Empire started being taken seriously?
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Post by potterinleeds on Dec 23, 2016 14:35:07 GMT
Blimey, how time flies. Yes, that's the quote that often comes up. The whole episode was disastrous for the Romans - the German equivalent of Hadrian's Wall is called Der Limes (runs north of Frankfurt) and over the last 10 years they have excavated lots of burgeoning settlements up to 50km to the north of it that were all abandoned in a panic apparently very soon after the battle and never re-occupied. My wife is German (hence the prehistoric German fetish) and so I go there a lot. I have to say I think that it is wildly underrated as a tourist destination. Beautiful beaches to the North with skies that go on for ever, some great medieval cities, lots of little lanes and squares to poke around in, amazing breweries, lots of wooded countryside. Am I right in thinking that is when the idea of there being a limit to the size of Empire started being taken seriously? As was discussed on another thread in the not to distant past, there have been a lot of 'what if?' scenarios written around the battle, some of which project forward the consequences nearly 2,000 years in a pretty tenuous manner. As far as I am aware, most historians seem to fall into two camps about the outcome had the Romans won (1) They would have marched back to their bases happy that they had taught rebellious German tribes a lesson (2) They would have pushed on to establish another substantial province between the Rhine and the Elbe rivers. I suppose much would have depended on whether later emperors would have sought martial glory by conquering yet more lands in northern Germany, to what extent they would have been relying on native troops co-opted into the Roman army etc. Interesting stuff.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Dec 23, 2016 14:47:36 GMT
Am I right in thinking that is when the idea of there being a limit to the size of Empire started being taken seriously? As was discussed on another thread in the not to distant past, there have been a lot of 'what if?' scenarios written around the battle, some of which project forward the consequences nearly 2,000 years in a pretty tenuous manner. As far as I am aware, most historians seem to fall into two camps about the outcome had the Romans won (1) They would have marched back to their bases happy that they had taught rebellious German tribes a lesson (2) They would have pushed on to establish another substantial province between the Rhine and the Elbe rivers. I suppose much would have depended on whether later emperors would have sought martial glory by conquering yet more lands in northern Germany, to what extent they would have been relying on native troops co-opted into the Roman army etc. Interesting stuff. Yep I remember the thread. I've got a decent 20th Cent. what if. but I'll have to post it another time now.
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Post by Northy on Dec 23, 2016 15:08:52 GMT
"Quintilius Varus, give me back my Legions" - Augustus Caeser or "Quintilius Varus where are my Eagles" - Brian Blessed as Augustus in I Claudius. :-) :-) I've not spent much time in Germany. That description of the last series Time Commanders rings a bell though. Over ten years ago now, I think. Blimey, how time flies. Yes, that's the quote that often comes up. The whole episode was disastrous for the Romans - the German equivalent of Hadrian's Wall is called Der Limes (runs north of Frankfurt) and over the last 10 years they have excavated lots of burgeoning settlements up to 50km to the north of it that were all abandoned in a panic apparently very soon after the battle and never re-occupied. My wife is German (hence the prehistoric German fetish) and so I go there a lot. I have to say I think that it is wildly underrated as a tourist destination. Beautiful beaches to the North with skies that go on for ever, some great medieval cities, lots of little lanes and squares to poke around in, amazing breweries, lots of wooded countryside. whereabouts are you saying is a good tourist place? I went to the Roman museum in Koln when we played there a couple of years ago, I want to go to Trier but it doesn't look the easiest place to get to, and also got my dads ashes to take to his brothers grave in Reichswald Forest war cemetry sometime soon.
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 23, 2016 16:17:14 GMT
I thought the first one concerning The Battle of Zama 202 BC was better. The battlefield action was easier to follow anyway. The Waterloo one pretty much descended into chaos from what I could see.
If I was eight years old again I would probably have thought they were great mind. I'd likely have been inspired to pick a history book up and buy the entire set of plastic AIRFIX HO/OO model soldiers again!
They did the Battle of the Teutoburger Wald, 9 A.D, a few series ago, and the then Ayreh Neusbacher got very annoyed with the contestants as they managed to get their three Roman legions through the forest pass (as opposed to being wiped out as in real life) but then were so weakened that they would have been picked off by the remaining Germanic tribesmen. They excavated the battlefield a few years ago and found all sorts of amazing things. There is a very good museum there at a place called Kalkreise. which is on my list of places to visit in Germany. Two good books on it - Peter S Wells - The Battle that Stopped Rome and Tony Clunn Auf der Suche nach den verlorenen Legionen. The latter is the more interesting, as he was a retired British army major who went out metal detecting and basically found a trail of coins, kit and other debris leading to the battle site; there has been an English edition out for a few years. Atmospheric stuff - Romans marching in long drawn out column through dense woodland and swamp, muffling the bells of their pack horses so they could hear out for the Germans creeping around in the trees. Germans stripping naked, plaiting their hair, covering themselves in peaty mud and coming out of the forest at night like ghosts to pick off stragglers. My wife says that I would make a good prehistoric German but that's probably best left for another thread. Does she now, Cause I'd say you'd make a lovely gay nazi!!! HappyChristmasXx
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Post by potterinleeds on Dec 23, 2016 16:19:21 GMT
Blimey, how time flies. Yes, that's the quote that often comes up. The whole episode was disastrous for the Romans - the German equivalent of Hadrian's Wall is called Der Limes (runs north of Frankfurt) and over the last 10 years they have excavated lots of burgeoning settlements up to 50km to the north of it that were all abandoned in a panic apparently very soon after the battle and never re-occupied. My wife is German (hence the prehistoric German fetish) and so I go there a lot. I have to say I think that it is wildly underrated as a tourist destination. Beautiful beaches to the North with skies that go on for ever, some great medieval cities, lots of little lanes and squares to poke around in, amazing breweries, lots of wooded countryside. whereabouts are you saying is a good tourist place? I went to the Roman museum in Koln when we played there a couple of years ago, I want to go to Trier but it doesn't look the easiest place to get to, and also got my dads ashes to take to his brothers grave in Reichswald Forest war cemetry sometime soon. All over is generally good, Northwich. I haven't been up in the area near Reichswald Forest much, but you could try Aachen (about 60 miles away - Charlemagne's capital) or maybe Xanten (about 30 miles away - Roman legionary base, old buildings etc). Like you, I haven't been to Trier yet, but it's on my list. The Varusschlacht museum at Kalkriese is also in the middle of nowhere. Out of personal recommendation, I would say in the North, the beach areas around Duhnen and to the west on the North Sea coast - cheaper than some of the Baltic islands and a bit less snobby, although the Baltic areas are undeniably more picturesque. Hamburg is a top city. I also go to Hesse a lot, and the area around Frankfurt is very beautiful in early summer, lots of orchards, rolling wooded hills and well preserved medieval towns like Budingen, Mainz has a fair bit of old city centre surviving and in my experience is good for cheap drinks - I was there on Monday this week, and gluhwein was 2 euros a pop per mug, as opposed to £4.50 at Leeds 'German' Christmas market. Along the Rhine, if you stay away from the tourist traps like Rudesheim, there are loads of little vineyards to try out, if that is your thing - Assmanshausen has lots of good wine; also Kloster Eberbach is worth a visit there, where they filmed all the interiors for The Name of the Rose. The Bavarian / Austrian border is good for mountain hiking - we used Sonthofen as a base. To the SW, I like Swabia a lot; again, we used Tubingen as a base, well preserved medieval walled town with loads of good breweries and boozers. In fact, you would be hard pressed to get somewhere that didn't have a decent brewery. Also, we tend to use the train system for getting around rather than driving - it's generally cheaper than here and with newer trains. I find that much of Germany is still a weird mixture of the quaint and old-fashioned, coupled with the ultra-modern. They do have some annoying habits (putting a coat or a drink on a table, wandering off for 10 minutes and then coming back horrified to find out that someone else has taken up 1 or 2 of the 5 available seats) but on the whole I have always found them a decent lot - I've been there during World Cups, Euros and England / Germany matches and never had to put up with half the shit my wife has been subject to over here in the same situations.
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Post by potterinleeds on Dec 23, 2016 16:22:12 GMT
They did the Battle of the Teutoburger Wald, 9 A.D, a few series ago, and the then Ayreh Neusbacher got very annoyed with the contestants as they managed to get their three Roman legions through the forest pass (as opposed to being wiped out as in real life) but then were so weakened that they would have been picked off by the remaining Germanic tribesmen. They excavated the battlefield a few years ago and found all sorts of amazing things. There is a very good museum there at a place called Kalkreise. which is on my list of places to visit in Germany. Two good books on it - Peter S Wells - The Battle that Stopped Rome and Tony Clunn Auf der Suche nach den verlorenen Legionen. The latter is the more interesting, as he was a retired British army major who went out metal detecting and basically found a trail of coins, kit and other debris leading to the battle site; there has been an English edition out for a few years. Atmospheric stuff - Romans marching in long drawn out column through dense woodland and swamp, muffling the bells of their pack horses so they could hear out for the Germans creeping around in the trees. Germans stripping naked, plaiting their hair, covering themselves in peaty mud and coming out of the forest at night like ghosts to pick off stragglers. My wife says that I would make a good prehistoric German but that's probably best left for another thread. Does she now, Cause I'd say you'd make a lovely gay nazi!!! HappyChristmasXx You cheeky swine . Happy Christmas to you too xxx
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 16:37:50 GMT
Just playing bisp That's one piece of history I'm comfortable with Bloody love it... My favourite eraMine too, Mares, along with the French Revolution and the British Industrial Revolution....... and, of course, all the Henry VIII stuff. Can I have four favourites??!! Fill your boots murph, it is Christmas after all Industrial revolution.......spinning Jenny (arkright) spinning mule (Hargreaves) Thomas Telford ........zzzzzzzz Stuck in my head from school, but bored me shitless as a youngster For some reason love it now murph
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Post by Northy on Dec 23, 2016 16:47:23 GMT
whereabouts are you saying is a good tourist place? I went to the Roman museum in Koln when we played there a couple of years ago, I want to go to Trier but it doesn't look the easiest place to get to, and also got my dads ashes to take to his brothers grave in Reichswald Forest war cemetry sometime soon. All over is generally good, Northwich. I haven't been up in the area near Reichswald Forest much, but you could try Aachen (about 60 miles away - Charlemagne's capital) or maybe Xanten (about 30 miles away - Roman legionary base, old buildings etc). Like you, I haven't been to Trier yet, but it's on my list. The Varusschlacht museum at Kalkriese is also in the middle of nowhere. Out of personal recommendation, I would say in the North, the beach areas around Duhnen and to the west on the North Sea coast - cheaper than some of the Baltic islands and a bit less snobby, although the Baltic areas are undeniably more picturesque. Hamburg is a top city. I also go to Hesse a lot, and the area around Frankfurt is very beautiful in early summer, lots of orchards, rolling wooded hills and well preserved medieval towns like Budingen, Mainz has a fair bit of old city centre surviving and in my experience is good for cheap drinks - I was there on Monday this week, and gluhwein was 2 euros a pop per mug, as opposed to £4.50 at Leeds 'German' Christmas market. Along the Rhine, if you stay away from the tourist traps like Rudesheim, there are loads of little vineyards to try out, if that is your thing - Assmanshausen has lots of good wine; also Kloster Eberbach is worth a visit there, where they filmed all the interiors for The Name of the Rose. The Bavarian / Austrian border is good for mountain hiking - we used Sonthofen as a base. To the SW, I like Swabia a lot; again, we used Tubingen as a base, well preserved medieval walled town with loads of good breweries and boozers. In fact, you would be hard pressed to get somewhere that didn't have a decent brewery. Also, we tend to use the train system for getting around rather than driving - it's generally cheaper than here and with newer trains. I find that much of Germany is still a weird mixture of the quaint and old-fashioned, coupled with the ultra-modern. They do have some annoying habits (putting a coat or a drink on a table, wandering off for 10 minutes and then coming back horrified to find out that someone else has taken up 1 or 2 of the 5 available seats) but on the whole I have always found them a decent lot - I've been there during World Cups, Euros and England / Germany matches and never had to put up with half the shit my wife has been subject to over here in the same situations. Thanks, I might look at the northern beaches. I have been to a few places, hamm, Paderborn, Bilefeld, Koln, Hamburg (this year) thought it was a bit grotty tbh.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 17:02:33 GMT
Ive seena few things on the TV about it, and the farmhouse was mentioned as a pivitol point in the battle. I'm sure a few bits of the ruined farmhouse are still there..... I seem to remember the very site being featured in a TV programme commemorating the bicentenary last year. The farm buildings at La Hayte are in a pretty well preserved state to this day murph ,....plenty evidence of riflefire and musket damage to the masonry still to be seen .
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Post by potterinleeds on Dec 23, 2016 17:12:29 GMT
Thanks, I might look at the northern beaches. I have been to a few places, hamm, Paderborn, Bilefeld, Koln, Hamburg (this year) thought it was a bit grotty tbh. I probably have rose-tinted specs a bit with Hamburg, as that's where my wife's family come from, so have been round it a lot. Like all big industrial cities / ports, there are definitely areas to be avoided, but if you head west up the Elbe a bit, Blankenese has lots of parks, villas etc. Re. the northern beaches, the only drawback (apart from perhaps the elderly nudists) is that you really do need the weather, as Duhnen, for example, is 2 hrs on the train from Hamburg and there is nothing to do if it does rain. The beaches are very clean, and the sea goes out for miles, so you can wander about on the Watt (the muddy sea bed) and even walk out to some offshore islands at low tide. We have gone out looking for amber and found quite a lot some years, although you have to heed all the warnings as it is easy to get caught out by the tide coming in. Also, if you do a lot of running or cycling, it is a flat as a pancake up there - I have found some good coastal running paths to do at sunrise / sunset. I wouldn't go to the beaches around Cuxhaven as they are a bit grotty.
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Post by murphthesurf on Dec 23, 2016 17:23:36 GMT
Does she now, Cause I'd say you'd make a lovely gay nazi!!! HappyChristmasXx You cheeky swine . Happy Christmas to you too xxx Don't worry, Leedsy, Bathy only means like THIS: ("Deutschland is happy and gay!") PS: Don't be stooopid, be a smarty - come and join the Nazi Party……..
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Post by mattador78 on Dec 23, 2016 17:31:52 GMT
You cheeky swine . Happy Christmas to you too xxx Don't worry, Leedsy, Bathy only means like THIS: ("Deutschland is happy and gay!") PS: Don't be stooopid, be a smarty - come and join the Nazi Party…….. Mel brooks a man whos humour is greatly under appreciated, a film about a musical about Nazis should never be funny but it is and blazing saddles quite possibly more racist than tarantinos django is something i watch again and again and just make me cry with laughter. On an aside Richard pryor should have played bart after writing it with brooks but the studio vetoed it as he was seen as too militant in essence. Anyway going back to the warfare history as anyone read spike milligans war memoirs,a great in site into the mind of someone suffering from PTSD or shell shock as it was then think there is 6 or 7 volumes read them all many times.
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