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Post by metalhead on Dec 18, 2016 12:31:13 GMT
I think everyone (except myself) has had their say on the players and manager. That will rumble on.
For me though, it's finally clear the 'media complex' isn't a complex anymore. There's been plenty of evidence in the past, but never has there been two games in a week involving such controversial decisions thus giving us a perfect chance to analyse the media reaction.
Southampton (flavour of the month): - Arnie's red. My opinion, it's high and probably a red but not intentional. The papers and a certain low quality tv show call it intentional, blatant and accuse him of wanting Christmas off.
- Indi elbow. My opinion, Indi makes the most of it but it's a red card. We've seen several players sent off for less. The media accuse Indi of cheating and a certain shit pundit tears him apart on national tv.
Leicester (another flavour of the month): - Vardy's red. It's a fucking two footed tackle. It doesn't matter that he's on the floor or whatever. It's as clear a red as you'll see. Media call Vardy's red absurd and accuse Diouf of exaggerating. The guardian abstained and merely said Vardy had been dismissed.
- Handball. Looks a clear pen to me. Apparently not an unnatural position even though his arms are outstretched.
The persecution complex may not exist but the media are absolutely wanking off their flavours of the month.
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Post by toppercorner on Dec 18, 2016 12:36:47 GMT
we are absolutely let down by the media and their set agendas.
they are told when to tow the party line if they know what is good for them.
people like Jenas and Murphy are just stooges in the grand scheme of things (i actually think DM knows what he is saying is rubbish and when he goes home, its to a large whisky on his own in the dark - he jjst does it for money)
Linekar has become full 'establishment' now
Any print journalists have long since lost any respectability. You can't read the sun or the mail without cringing.
Even the guardian used to be fair is now run by a central news agancy, and and the comments section (was one of the best) is now just too extreme
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Post by localloser on Dec 18, 2016 12:39:46 GMT
To be fair, Robbie Savage was arguing with three Leicester supporters who rang 606 on 5Live yesterday. He was adamant that Vardy's was a clear red card and that the handball was a clear penalty. They didn't like it, but he absolutely stuck to his guns. He also was clear in his opinion that Pawson was probably reacting to the reaction to his failure to send Rojo off earlier in the week.
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Post by wuzza on Dec 18, 2016 12:42:03 GMT
I would say that the media's over-riding 'agenda' as far as we are concerned is total indifference Our only occasional significance is in providing the opposition for someone they are genuinely interested in to play against. To be fair we rarely do much for the 'neutral' to get interested or excited about.
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Post by sportsman on Dec 18, 2016 12:42:37 GMT
Once a pundit has an agenda for even one programme he's finished as a pundit as you can't then believe anything he says.
That's why Neville is the best. He says it how it is and doesn't care who he upsets.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 18, 2016 12:43:48 GMT
To be fair, Robbie Savage was arguing with three Leicester supporters who rang 606 on 5Live yesterday. He was adamant that Vardy's was a clear red card and that the handball was a clear penalty. They didn't like it, but he absolutely stuck to his guns. He also was clear in his opinion that Pawson was probably reacting to the reaction to his failure to send Rojo off earlier in the week. I thought at the time that's why he sent him off, in fear or potentially making the same mistake again. How people can say it wasn't a penalty though is truly baffling to me.
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Post by localloser on Dec 18, 2016 13:35:03 GMT
To be fair, Robbie Savage was arguing with three Leicester supporters who rang 606 on 5Live yesterday. He was adamant that Vardy's was a clear red card and that the handball was a clear penalty. They didn't like it, but he absolutely stuck to his guns. He also was clear in his opinion that Pawson was probably reacting to the reaction to his failure to send Rojo off earlier in the week. I thought at the time that's why he sent him off, in fear or potentially making the same mistake again. How people can say it wasn't a penalty though is truly baffling to me./quote] One Leicester supporter claimed to be a "qualified referee" and said Pawson should have blown up for Glen's "foul" on Vardy, saying you should "punish the first foul not the worst". Savage told him he was talking nonsense, that Glen didn't foul Vardy and that Vardy deserved a red. The other Leicester supporters said basically the same thing and Savage simply said "You're wrong. Red card all day".
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Post by metalhead on Dec 18, 2016 13:39:19 GMT
And yet the mainstream media deride Robbie savage.
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Post by localloser on Dec 18, 2016 13:45:44 GMT
He can be a cunt, but he always says what he thinks, right or wrong in anyone else's view, and he doesn't give a toss what anyone else thinks.
His finest moment for me was during the South Africa world cup, he said he's been for a run along the beach and hadn't felt any ill effects from the altitude! Then someone pointed out to him that the beach was actually at sea level.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 13:56:59 GMT
I hadn't seen the two incidents on video until about an hour ago (was at the game so only saw them both from a distance).
Vardy challenge is a red - he wasn't forced by Johnson to dive in two footed. Maybe a tiny bit harsh, but warranted for me.
One of the clearest penalties you'll see. Been told that Jenas has defended it - usually think he's quite a good pundit, but he's a braindead cunt in this instance. Absolute stonewall as his hand/arm stops the natural flight of the ball.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 13:59:32 GMT
MotD2 being moved to tomorrow night tells you everything you need to know about the culture surrounding the bloated Premier League.
Don't even give a shit that it's the Dipper derby. It sounds awful to say, but I just hope Everton play with an intensity that causes a few Liverpool hamstrings or moments of madness.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Dec 18, 2016 14:18:01 GMT
I think everyone (except myself) has had their say on the players and manager. That will rumble on. For me though, it's finally clear the 'media complex' isn't a complex anymore. There's been plenty of evidence in the past, but never has there been two games in a week involving such controversial decisions thus giving us a perfect chance to analyse the media reaction. Southampton (flavour of the month): - Arnie's red. My opinion, it's high and probably a red but not intentional. The papers and a certain low quality tv show call it intentional, blatant and accuse him of wanting Christmas off. - Indi elbow. My opinion, Indi makes the most of it but it's a red card. We've seen several players sent off for less. The media accuse Indi of cheating and a certain shit pundit tears him apart on national tv. Leicester (another flavour of the month): - Vardy's red. It's a fucking two footed tackle. It doesn't matter that he's on the floor or whatever. It's as clear a red as you'll see. Media call Vardy's red absurd and accuse Diouf of exaggerating. The guardian abstained and merely said Vardy had been dismissed. - Handball. Looks a clear pen to me. Apparently not an unnatural position even though his arms are outstretched. The persecution complex may not exist but the media are absolutely wanking off their flavours of the month. Don't think Indi made the most of it really....it was a deliberate elbow to the face with force, I'm more surprised he didn't get up and twat Barns for it, it would have been justified irrespective of how wrong it's deemed to be!!! The media can fuck off with Vardy's challenge, he went in two footed, Diouf made no more of a meal of it than that Southampton player did when Arnie went in.....definate red if Arnie's was!!! As for the Handball, how they can say it wasn't an handball cuz his hand was in an unnatural position is just comedy gold, whatever way you look at it, it stopped Stoke's attack, end of, and it wasn't just a slight accidental hit on the arm, it was a full blatant stop with the hand!!! The media have got to ask themselves this, Why is his arm in a unnatural position???? You don't usually slide in like that???? To me, he knew exactly what he was doing, and hoped that the ref (if it did hit his hand) would see it exactly how the media are perceiving it!!! Wank on all accounts media!!!! ðŸ˜
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Dec 18, 2016 14:25:51 GMT
The media, especially MOTD & Sky rely on narratives to keep the product (premier league) going. Leicester winning the league was a narrative, so yesterday they could build on it by going 'Leicester v the world' 'Leicester miracle' and so on.
As for Southampton, as you said they were flavour of the month.
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 18, 2016 14:26:22 GMT
To be fair, Robbie Savage was arguing with three Leicester supporters who rang 606 on 5Live yesterday. He was adamant that Vardy's was a clear red card and that the handball was a clear penalty. They didn't like it, but he absolutely stuck to his guns. He also was clear in his opinion that Pawson was probably reacting to the reaction to his failure to send Rojo off earlier in the week. but next week when Robbie states that a decision going against us is correct he'll be a tosser again.
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Post by charlesjefferson on Dec 18, 2016 14:30:02 GMT
I think everyone (except myself) has had their say on the players and manager. That will rumble on. For me though, it's finally clear the 'media complex' isn't a complex anymore. There's been plenty of evidence in the past, but never has there been two games in a week involving such controversial decisions thus giving us a perfect chance to analyse the media reaction. Southampton (flavour of the month): - Arnie's red. My opinion, it's high and probably a red but not intentional. The papers and a certain low quality tv show call it intentional, blatant and accuse him of wanting Christmas off. - Indi elbow. My opinion, Indi makes the most of it but it's a red card. We've seen several players sent off for less. The media accuse Indi of cheating and a certain shit pundit tears him apart on national tv. Leicester (another flavour of the month): - Vardy's red. It's a fucking two footed tackle. It doesn't matter that he's on the floor or whatever. It's as clear a red as you'll see. Media call Vardy's red absurd and accuse Diouf of exaggerating. The guardian abstained and merely said Vardy had been dismissed. - Handball. Looks a clear pen to me. Apparently not an unnatural position even though his arms are outstretched. The persecution complex may not exist but the media are absolutely wanking off their flavours of the month. Don't think Indi made the most of it really....it was a deliberate elbow to the face with force, I'm more surprised he didn't get up and twat Barns for it, it would have been justified irrespective of how wrong it's deemed to be!!!The media can fuck off with Vardy's challenge, he went in two footed, Diouf made no more of a meal of it than that Southampton player did when Arnie went in.....definate red if Arnie's was!!! As for the Handball, how they can say it wasn't an handball cuz his hand was in an unnatural position is just comedy gold, whatever way you look at it, it stopped Stoke's attack, end of, and it wasn't just a slight accidental hit on the arm, it was a full blatant stop with the hand!!! The media have got to ask themselves this, Why is his arm in a unnatural position???? You don't usually slide in like that???? To me, he knew exactly what he was doing, and hoped that the ref (if it did hit his hand) would see it exactly how the media are perceiving it!!! Wank on all accounts media!!!! 😠Wrong elbow, this particular elbow was the one he took from Shane Long against Saints, not the Burnley one. He dunna half get a lot of elbows does our Bruno.
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Post by localloser on Dec 18, 2016 14:40:55 GMT
To be fair, Robbie Savage was arguing with three Leicester supporters who rang 606 on 5Live yesterday. He was adamant that Vardy's was a clear red card and that the handball was a clear penalty. They didn't like it, but he absolutely stuck to his guns. He also was clear in his opinion that Pawson was probably reacting to the reaction to his failure to send Rojo off earlier in the week. but next week when Robbie states that a decision going against us is correct he'll be a tosser again. I wasn't saying that he was right or wrong. I was just pointing out that Savage saw Vardy's red card and the handball penalty as correct decisions. My personal opinion is that he IS a tosser, just this week he was our tosser He's just a thick ex-footballer who is very well paid to have opinions and to be argumentative on a radio show - nothing more, nothing less.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 18, 2016 14:58:41 GMT
I caught a bit of 'Soccer Saturday' yestdee when they were previewing the Stoke v Leicester game, the bit on Stoke went summat like this...
*Clip of Arnie's red card* (Shown from just the one angle, behind Arnie) Panel all agreed definate red, dirty Stoke.
Jeff Stelling says "Stoke feel they're being hard done to with some decisions of late". I sit there expecting to see clips of different elbows on Bruno, instead we get...
*Clip of Adam treading on Sanchez* (Shown over & over & over from every angle imaginable) Dirty Charile, dirty Stoke.
*Clip of Arsenal prick elbowing Joe Allen in the face*. Never a red card, not even an elbow, if Joe Allen wasn't so small he elbows him in the chest & no-one even talks about it.
... I shit you not I'm not making that last bit up!
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 18, 2016 15:02:53 GMT
The media reflect the rest of society which they pander to; that is their business and how they earn money. They know if they are going to sell papers or attract viewing and "hits", or sell advertising they need to attract as much attention as possible, which, in the case of football, means pandering to the masses that support the main six clubs. They also know the public also love an underdog who succeeds, which is why they pander to Southampton and, during the last 2 years, Leicester. Just lately Newcastle are again attracting massive support, so that is what the media focus on.
The workers in the media reflect the public and have the same favourites. But if we have our heroes, we also have to have our villains, who take the blame for the ills of the world and the punishment. So society and the media create their whipping boys and scapegoats. These are old terms which is appropriate as it is a feature of human nature that has always been around.
We are in the unfortunate position of being one of those whipping boys. Stoke is that relatively small enclave wedged between the massive conurbations (and home of major clubs) of greater Manchester and the black country. As such it will never receive much attention and will be by-passed, like the M6 and main west cost rail line, in most people's thoughts and deliberations.
In the past week we have had that stalwart of British football, Alan Shearer, buttering up to his usual host saying yesterday's sending off and penalty weren't, in his opinion, but off course last Wednesday Arni's red card was correct. It is a sad feature of human nature to go with the flow, which is a feature of refereeing where they will seldom give an straight red card to one of the big 6 club's players, particularly at home.
If you want to be a Stoke fan, it's a cross you have to bear.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 15:10:45 GMT
Nothing IMHO would please the so and so's more than to see us out of the prem. It is up to us to stick by our guns and tell them how it is!
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Post by stevoyork on Dec 18, 2016 15:25:30 GMT
It's win win for the media this afternoon with Bournemouth v Southampton!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 15:30:20 GMT
Only pundits who have any credibility left for me Are Neville, Savage and Souness.
The rest just read from a script,
The joke is that when you get ex players like Jenas who were crap themselves judging other players.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 18, 2016 15:46:15 GMT
Only pundits who have any credibility left for me Are Neville, Savage and Souness. The rest just read from a script, The joke is that when you get ex players like Jenas who were crap themselves judging other players. Have you seen Chris Sutton recently? he definitely doesn't read off a script, he doesn't hold back that's for sure.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Dec 18, 2016 15:51:11 GMT
Don't think Indi made the most of it really....it was a deliberate elbow to the face with force, I'm more surprised he didn't get up and twat Barns for it, it would have been justified irrespective of how wrong it's deemed to be!!!The media can fuck off with Vardy's challenge, he went in two footed, Diouf made no more of a meal of it than that Southampton player did when Arnie went in.....definate red if Arnie's was!!! As for the Handball, how they can say it wasn't an handball cuz his hand was in an unnatural position is just comedy gold, whatever way you look at it, it stopped Stoke's attack, end of, and it wasn't just a slight accidental hit on the arm, it was a full blatant stop with the hand!!! The media have got to ask themselves this, Why is his arm in a unnatural position???? You don't usually slide in like that???? To me, he knew exactly what he was doing, and hoped that the ref (if it did hit his hand) would see it exactly how the media are perceiving it!!! Wank on all accounts media!!!! 😠Wrong elbow, this particular elbow was the one he took from Shane Long against Saints, not the Burnley one. He dunna half get a lot of elbows does our Bruno. Ooooh, forgot about that one!!!
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Post by charlesjefferson on Dec 18, 2016 15:53:39 GMT
Chris Sutton, now there's an odd character as he's someone who i dislike yet also like at the same time. A bit like Mr. Yorkshire Geoff "Me Auntie could bat agen 'im wi' 'er stick 'er rhubarb" Boycott, when he's saying something i don't agree with i get really annoyed because of his priggish nature yet when he tells it EXACTLY like it is i bloody love him. "John Stones, he's shit he is lad, he's bowlin' 'em in not out!" That's paraphrasing Geoff Sutton that is.
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Dec 18, 2016 16:28:12 GMT
I think everyone (except myself) has had their say on the players and manager. That will rumble on. For me though, it's finally clear the 'media complex' isn't a complex anymore. There's been plenty of evidence in the past, but never has there been two games in a week involving such controversial decisions thus giving us a perfect chance to analyse the media reaction. Southampton (flavour of the month): - Arnie's red. My opinion, it's high and probably a red but not intentional. The papers and a certain low quality tv show call it intentional, blatant and accuse him of wanting Christmas off.
- Indi elbow. My opinion, Indi makes the most of it but it's a red card. We've seen several players sent off for less. The media accuse Indi of cheating and a certain shit pundit tears him apart on national tv. Leicester (another flavour of the month): - Vardy's red. It's a fucking two footed tackle. It doesn't matter that he's on the floor or whatever. It's as clear a red as you'll see. Media call Vardy's red absurd and accuse Diouf of exaggerating. The guardian abstained and merely said Vardy had been dismissed. - Handball. Looks a clear pen to me. Apparently not an unnatural position even though his arms are outstretched. The persecution complex may not exist but the media are absolutely wanking off their flavours of the month. Mark Nobles exact same tackle against Hull as Arnies got a yellow ... not a mention on the box or the media. Vardy.... Red all day but not according to any TV pundit.. Jermaine Jenas.... handball not a pen.. its just bollox and we have to accept that if its us we won't get a scrap of justice or sympathy. My attitude is ..Fuck 'Em
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Post by localloser on Dec 18, 2016 16:44:20 GMT
I think everyone (except myself) has had their say on the players and manager. That will rumble on. For me though, it's finally clear the 'media complex' isn't a complex anymore. There's been plenty of evidence in the past, but never has there been two games in a week involving such controversial decisions thus giving us a perfect chance to analyse the media reaction. Southampton (flavour of the month): - Arnie's red. My opinion, it's high and probably a red but not intentional. The papers and a certain low quality tv show call it intentional, blatant and accuse him of wanting Christmas off.
- Indi elbow. My opinion, Indi makes the most of it but it's a red card. We've seen several players sent off for less. The media accuse Indi of cheating and a certain shit pundit tears him apart on national tv. Leicester (another flavour of the month): - Vardy's red. It's a fucking two footed tackle. It doesn't matter that he's on the floor or whatever. It's as clear a red as you'll see. Media call Vardy's red absurd and accuse Diouf of exaggerating. The guardian abstained and merely said Vardy had been dismissed. - Handball. Looks a clear pen to me. Apparently not an unnatural position even though his arms are outstretched. The persecution complex may not exist but the media are absolutely wanking off their flavours of the month. Mark Nobles exact same tackle against Hull as Arnies got a yellow ... not a mention on the box or the media. Vardy.... Red all day but not according to any TV pundit.. Jermaine Jenas.... handball not a pen.. its just bollox and we have to accept that if its us we won't get a scrap of justice or sympathy. My attitude is ..Fuck 'Em The BBC asked Ranieri if he would appeal the red card and he said, "If possible, yes", according to their website. You do wonder how much notice the members of the disciplinary panel take of all these comments across the print and TV media - I don't believe they won't have read the papers or watched the football channels on the telly. So they cannot be completely unaffected by the views of these self-called experts. Expect to see Vardy playing in their next game.
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Post by enuntio on Dec 18, 2016 17:04:00 GMT
Top marks to Robbie Savage, when he is on the radio he will allow callers to slate him and he tries to argue his point while letting the callers argue theirs. Massively different to, err, is it Alan Green? The commentator/presenter who was permanently stuck up Fergies arse and would cut the callers off in an instant
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 18, 2016 20:08:20 GMT
Top marks to Robbie Savage, when he is on the radio he will allow callers to slate him and he tries to argue his point while letting the callers argue theirs. Massively different to, err, is it Alan Green? The commentator/presenter who was permanently stuck up Fergies arse and would cut the callers off in an instant Fergie banned Alan Green from that theatre of shit and corruption.
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Post by sportsman on Dec 18, 2016 21:44:33 GMT
They keep banging on about it being johnsons fault for leaning into Vardy, then why didn't they ever mention bendtner was it? for the tug on Ryan that made him the 0.14 of a second too late in the Ramsey tackle?
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Post by raythesailor on Dec 18, 2016 22:20:07 GMT
The media reflect the rest of society which they pander to; that is their business and how they earn money. They know if they are going to sell papers or attract viewing and "hits", or sell advertising they need to attract as much attention as possible, which, in the case of football, means pandering to the masses that support the main six clubs. They also know the public also love an underdog who succeeds, which is why they pander to Southampton and, during the last 2 years, Leicester. Just lately Newcastle are again attracting massive support, so that is what the media focus on. The workers in the media reflect the public and have the same favourites. But if we have our heroes, we also have to have our villains, who take the blame for the ills of the world and the punishment. So society and the media create their whipping boys and scapegoats. These are old terms which is appropriate as it is a feature of human nature that has always been around. We are in the unfortunate position of being one of those whipping boys. Stoke is that relatively small enclave wedged between the massive conurbations (and home of major clubs) of greater Manchester and the black country. As such it will never receive much attention and will be by-passed, like the M6 and main west cost rail line, in most people's thoughts and deliberations. In the past week we have had that stalwart of British football, Alan Shearer, buttering up to his usual host saying yesterday's sending off and penalty weren't, in his opinion, but off course last Wednesday Arni's red card was correct. It is a sad feature of human nature to go with the flow, which is a feature of refereeing where they will seldom give an straight red card to one of the big 6 club's players, particularly at home. If you want to be a Stoke fan, it's a cross you have to bear. An excellent post and summation of our current conception by the media and hence the "Footballing Joe Publicks" who believe the gutter press and so called expert punditry that they are fed whilst sitting in there armchairs reading low quality newspapers and rapidly deteriorating sports TV programs. On the plus side I feel that it achieves if nothing else to unite us into the united mentality of a few years ago. "We are Stoke and we play/and do as we want" When we adopted this attitude people did take notice and began to respect us The atmosphere in the ground during the last two games, and these difficult circumstances, has been better than for some considerable time. Unfortunately it is now some time until our next home game, but let us turn up in force and give some serious VOCAL support and say WE ARE STOKE at the next game at home
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