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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 18, 2016 1:30:51 GMT
I've long since been of this opinion. I'm losing the faith now, really losing the faith. Dreadful shit today, utterly dreadful.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Dec 18, 2016 1:32:29 GMT
I've said since the end of last season I wouldn't mind if we changed. Just who could we get though. Hughes is a mid table manager at best.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 1:36:00 GMT
Hughes is a mid table manager at best. Christ....We're a mid table club. |
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 18, 2016 1:42:21 GMT
I've said since the end of last season I wouldn't mind if we changed. Just who could we get though. Hughes is a mid table manager at best. Yeah we're the mighty Stoke City, we are worthy of a manager who gets us consistently finishing as one of the best 6 or 7 teams in the country, none of this sub-standard mid-table in England's top division dross  |
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Dec 18, 2016 1:45:36 GMT
Hughes is a mid table manager at best. Christ....We're a mid table club. Exactly. I want to progress. Mid table manager = Mid table club. |
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Dec 18, 2016 1:46:02 GMT
I've said since the end of last season I wouldn't mind if we changed. Just who could we get though. Hughes is a mid table manager at best. Yeah we're the mighty Stoke City, we are worthy of a manager who gets us consistently finishing as one of the best 6 or 7 teams in the country, none of this sub-standard mid-table in England's top division dross It's not about what we're worth. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 1:55:23 GMT
Christ....We're a mid table club. Exactly. I want to progress. Mid table manager = Mid table club. Mid table is more or less 7th/8th down to 15th. Do you demand 6th? 5th? 4th? What exactly are your expectations? |
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Dec 18, 2016 2:01:52 GMT
Exactly. I want to progress. Mid table manager = Mid table club. Mid table is more or less 7th/8th down to 15th. Do you demand 6th? 5th? 4th? What exactly are your expectations? No I don't demand it. I expect to have a manager that can utilize tactics and substitutions to a premiership level. We still chuck Crouch on. Walters is still starting every game. Why is Charlie Adam coming on when we need to shut a game down. I find myself and others consistently disagreeing with Hughes's decision making and those decisions are not going in our favor. I just personally don't think we will progress with Hughes. |
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Post by StokieNath on Dec 18, 2016 2:04:18 GMT
Shame we didn't go in for Rafa
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Post by Gods on Dec 18, 2016 2:08:53 GMT
We just finished top half in the top flight 3 times in a row for the first time in our frigging history and we are the 2nd oldest football club on the planet.
I know it didn't feel good in the 2nd half today when we threw away a lead and only drew with the champions but get a grip folks, these are halcyon days...
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Dec 18, 2016 2:15:22 GMT
We just finished top half in the top flight 3 times in a row for the first time in our frigging history and we are the 2nd oldest football club on the planet. I know it didn't feel good in the 2nd half today when we threw away a lead and only drew with the champions but get a grip folks... Why do people who want to progress have to get a grip? I'm not demanding Hughes to be sacked, he's keeping us at mid-table, but do we not want to progress more? Is he the guy that can take us further? |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Dec 18, 2016 2:19:42 GMT
Yeah I've been trying to create a mathematical equation which provides a credible resolution to the conundrum of expectation/entitlement over the realism of football.
Etc.
It might be E+E/R=F
Still trying to work it out.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 18, 2016 8:35:13 GMT
This is where the owners come in. Are they savvy enough to realise it's all going a bit stale or aren't they bothered as long as we stay up and keep our nose in the trough?
If I were Coates I'd be concerned that, despite good money invested, we still see the likes of Walters, Whelan, Adam stinking the place out. I love Crouchy but why is he here? £18million on Imbula is a massive concern, as is Shaqiri.
I said during the Summer that we should be sounding others out and we definitely should this time around.
I reckon he's got next season to improve things or Coates will act like he did with TP. Perhaps the Manager himself will have had enough?
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Post by Trouserdog on Dec 18, 2016 8:59:28 GMT
The risk in changing managers is that we end up with someone a lot worse than Mark Hughes, who is-let's be realistic- a pretty good manager overall.
As long as we stay in mid-table and the football is mostly entertaining then we'd be better off sticking with what we've got. Three 9th place finishes is overachieving for a club like Stoke- let's not get spoilt.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 18, 2016 9:05:03 GMT
Would it make any difference who we gt in? we are a mid table Premiership club, and unless we got a World class Manager in and gave him a vast amount of money to spend, every season he was here, The likes of Mark Hughes is the best we can hope for.
Where we have finished these past 3 seasons, most Premiership clubs would give their high teeth to be able to do the same.
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Post by hchpotter on Dec 18, 2016 9:06:54 GMT
The risk in changing managers is that we end up with someone a lot worse than Mark Hughes, who is-let's be realistic- a pretty good manager overall. As long as we stay in mid-table and the football is mostly entertaining then we'd be better off sticking with what we've got. Three 9th place finishes is overachieving for a club like Stoke- let's not get spoilt. But the football is not entertaining is it? How many "thrillers" have we've seen in 2016? Liverpool away in the League Cup? Any others? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 9:08:06 GMT
The risk in changing managers is that we end up with someone a lot worse than Mark Hughes, who is-let's be realistic- a pretty good manager overall. As long as we stay in mid-table and the football is mostly entertaining then we'd be better off sticking with what we've got. Three 9th place finishes is overachieving for a club like Stoke- let's not get spoilt. I'd argue though that the football especially at home is not that entertaining. With the players we have we should produce much better. It's all too tippy tappy for me. Too negative. Yesterday wasn't something that just happened. Our second half performance was a direct result of a manager holding on. It's happened too many times for it to be anything else. IMO other teams look fitter and sharper. We have no pace. Yeah we've finished in good positions under Hughes but the football entertainment value has gone down for the last 18 months. |
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Post by kurt on Dec 18, 2016 9:19:24 GMT
Hughes is a mid table manager at best. Christ....We're a mid table club. Can´t understand reading comments like that here. We definitely have the quality to struggle with the likes of Everton, West Ham or Southampton for 7th place of the league!!!WesBrom or Crystal Palace are mid table clubs, but we have a better squad. This underestimating of our team annoys me. The problem is our manager, who is not able to make a progress. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 9:20:35 GMT
We have a cracking side and a top manager if we had won yesterday we would have not had any of this nonsense. I thought it was a brilliant game, we played the Champions off the park for 75mins and same side that were 3up against Chelsea inside 20mins. Gutted we let it slip but some fantastic football on show.
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Post by Trouserdog on Dec 18, 2016 9:20:59 GMT
The risk in changing managers is that we end up with someone a lot worse than Mark Hughes, who is-let's be realistic- a pretty good manager overall. As long as we stay in mid-table and the football is mostly entertaining then we'd be better off sticking with what we've got. Three 9th place finishes is overachieving for a club like Stoke- let's not get spoilt. But the football is not entertaining is it? How many "thrillers" have we've seen in 2016? Liverpool away in the League Cup? Any others? We've never seen many "thrillers" because you don't get many of those games regardless of who the manager is. As for being entertained- well, as frustrating as yesterday was, it was an entertaining game. Last week at Arsenal, despite the defeat, was a good game to watch. We've had a few stinkers as well, but overall I still think the entertainment value is acceptable without being through-the-roof exciting. History says that we'll probably have a better second half of the season. To do that we'll need a couple of decent additions in January and a relatively injury-free period, but I think we'll see some better stuff after Christmas. Hope so anyway. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 9:21:04 GMT
I'll be totally honest and leave this here to be bought back up and rammed down my throat if and when things improve. I don't really care. Bring it on.
I'm bored stiff. Really I am. I'm not enjoying the matchday experience like I used to. The manager seems totally lost on his team, his tactics, his subs. The lot.
Part of me died yesterday when I saw Ryan approaching the Boothen End to applaud the fans. He got nothing back and just nonchalantly flicked his arms towards the fans, bowed his head and walked off. I know the feeling mate!
I'd never genuinely shout for a manager to leave. It's not my style. I wouldn't shed a single tear if he left tomorrow though.
Sorry Mark.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 18, 2016 9:23:26 GMT
The risk in changing managers is that we end up with someone a lot worse than Mark Hughes, who is-let's be realistic- a pretty good manager overall. As long as we stay in mid-table and the football is mostly entertaining then we'd be better off sticking with what we've got. Three 9th place finishes is overachieving for a club like Stoke- let's not get spoilt. Yeah we've finished in good positions under Hughes but the football entertainment value has gone down for the last 18 months. I don't think you could argue against the fact that we have regressed quite badly over the past 12 months. |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Dec 18, 2016 9:26:44 GMT
Yeah I've been trying to create a mathematical equation which provides a credible resolution to the conundrum of expectation/entitlement over the realism of football. Etc. It might be EE/R=F Still trying to work it out. Let EE=X Let RoF=Y Let Pulis=P Let Hughes=H Add a variable Z Then simply X+Y+Z+(H-M)= Momo  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 9:31:35 GMT
Yeah we've finished in good positions under Hughes but the football entertainment value has gone down for the last 18 months. I don't think you could argue against the fact that we have regressed quite badly over the past 12 months. Definitely. We had good spells in the first half of last season but we arguably peaked under Hughes in his second season. That's when 4231 actually worked. |
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Post by Scrotnig on Dec 18, 2016 9:37:08 GMT
The funny thing is, talk to almost anyone else in the country, and they will tell you that Hughes is doing a good job. There's only us Stoke fans calling for his head. Everyone else thinks that's mental.
Of course, we are closer to the issues and can see them in a way outsiders can't, but the issues we have are not 'sack the manager' material. They are 'change the approach' at worst.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 9:38:18 GMT
We have a cracking side and a top manager if we had won yesterday we would have not had any of this nonsense. I thought it was a brilliant game, we played the Champions off the park for 75mins and same side that were 3up against Chelsea inside 20mins. Gutted we let it slip but some fantastic football on show. Do you really think we played them off the park for seventy five minutes? I'd argue we were well on top for the twenty odd minutes after Vardy was sent off other than that it was fairly even or Leicester were on top. |
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Post by Trouserdog on Dec 18, 2016 9:42:34 GMT
Yeah we've finished in good positions under Hughes but the football entertainment value has gone down for the last 18 months. I don't think you could argue against the fact that we have regressed quite badly over the past 12 months. I agree- we have. However, the important question is whether we think that Hughes can turn it around again and get us moving in a positive direction? I think he can- he's the sort of manager who will try different things, recognises and addresses problems within the team and still seems to have the full respect of the dressing room. He has his faults (mainly making shit substitutions and being slow to react to changes on thepitch) but all managers have strengths and weaknesses. |
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Post by samba :) on Dec 18, 2016 9:44:12 GMT
Dear Stoke city
Please do not fire lmh until woy hodgson has found a job
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 9:47:28 GMT
We have a cracking side and a top manager if we had won yesterday we would have not had any of this nonsense. I thought it was a brilliant game, we played the Champions off the park for 75mins and same side that were 3up against Chelsea inside 20mins. Gutted we let it slip but some fantastic football on show. Played them off the park? Really? It was end to end for the first 25....they looked more likely to score. They went down to 10 and had a mad 20 mins, despite that we didn't create much but went in 2-0 up. Second half we were awful. What did we have, 2 shots on target, both straight forward saves, despite 70% possession and then only having 10 men, 6 of which were on yellow cards. Anyone with a grain of football knowledge knows the drill. Ranieri HT talk - chill out lads. Keep it tight for 15, keep ourselves in the game then we will throw caution to the wind. Hughes HT talk - shit lads, don't mess it up. Just keep passing it, but don't go too far forward. Make sure you're at least 20 yards away from Jon at all times, and DO NOT take on their full back. Whereas it should have been.... Keep it tight for 15 lads, but move the ball quickly and use the width of the pitch. Harry them and give them no time on the ball. They will throw the kitchen sink at us in the last 30 if we haven't put the game to bed but don't worry we've got some genuine pace to bring on if needed to stretch the game further. |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Dec 18, 2016 9:47:45 GMT
I'll be totally honest and leave this here to be bought back up and rammed down my throat if and when things improve. I don't really care. Bring it on. I'm bored stiff. Really I am. I'm not enjoying the matchday experience like I used to. The manager seems totally lost on his team, his tactics, his subs. The lot. Part of me died yesterday when I saw Ryan approaching the Boothen End to applaud the fans. He got nothing back and just nonchalantly flicked his arms towards the fans, bowed his head and walked off. I know the feeling mate! I'd never genuinely shout for a manager to leave. It's not my style. I wouldn't shed a single tear if he left tomorrow though. Sorry Mark. I would really like to argue with this, but I echo the bored stiff sentiment. For me, it is not about moving to top 6, but it would of course be nice, it is just wanting to see free flowing, at pace football. On paper we have a really good side, and that is indeed in part down to the manager. But he does not appear to know what to do with them. We play walking football when we should be passing and moving with the likes of Shaq, Arnie, Imbula, Bojan and Allen. His subs are usually bizarre at best and his lack of willing to try the youth, especially Sobhi is damning Yes, it was a cracking rear guard against Southampton, but that masked the dreadful 25 minutes before the sending off. Leicester then put that rear guard action in perspective by showing what you can do with an attacking mindset, even with 10 men I cant remember the last time we put two halves of football together |
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