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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 7, 2016 11:35:05 GMT
Learn English would be a good start, abandon all religious law courts that contradict British Law, denounce Muhammed as the tyrannical, child-raping, slave-taking war-mongering despicable monster that he actually was. Some nice ideas there already. Learn English is a good start but british law has to be abided by anyone who lives here whether they're christians, muslims, atheists or any other group. You're also going down a very dodgy path if you start enforcing on religious people who aren't breaking the law what they can and can't think about their own religion. All the more reason for a UK oath of allegiance. An unambiguous simple oath stating that among other things you agree that British Law is above all and you will abide by it. MP's take an oath as do Doctors, the Armed Services, Police and even the Girl Guides..... Why not one for Citizenship? I'd also look into ending dual nationality. EDIT: This oath would be taken by persons born in the UK as well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 12:09:33 GMT
A lot of Muslims don't abide by English law though, or at least not by British values when it comes to women's rights and whatnot. And I said nothing about force, the question was "what efforts would you like to see them make?". So with regards to my last response, lots of (former) Muslims have already made that denouncement, or have at least denounced the religion. In many communities in the country it is essentially analogous to one of us announcing to our family that we are attracted to four year old children. There are groups for Muslim apostates growing in number to support those who have been disowned by their families for abandoning the cult, or are in actual danger. So no, we can't use force unless we're prepared for a civil war and nobody in their right mind wants that but our government should certainly be doing what they can to aid those new organisations and to support young Muslims (or anyone who leaves any cult for that matter) who are facing hardship as a result of exercising their fundamental human right of freedom of religion, a human right that they didn't have access to as children btw. We need to show that it is the state position that Muslim views on apostasy are incompatible with the values of this country by officially supporting groups and charities that aid the persecuted. By doing this we will promote integration and enlightenment. It will also most likely "provoke" a backlash, but that's the reality of the situation that has been invited into our country by a very small number of elites without our consultation. Unless we want a civil-war we need to come up with peaceful solutions to the problems we're facing and accept the fact that many innocent people are going to die in the process of cleaning up the pollution. What laws do they break out of interest? Intergration is a two way street and whilst people like crapslinger (and there plenty like him) are hatefully aggresive towards muslims then there's going to be problems in getting people to integrate. I think that with time some of the more unpalatable attitudes of the muslim communities will soften and they will come more in line with our culture but it's goint to take a bit of time. For example when it comes to attitudes towards the LGBT community I'm sure that some (but not all) young muslims that are growing up in Britain will have a very different attitude to young muslims growing up in country such as Syria. It is not a one way street, there is hate on both sides, racism doesn't help, but what makes you think that some Muslims aren't racist. Muslims tend to live in areas where there are even more muslims, is that integration? Some areas Muslims are becoming the majority, is that integration? It seems more like they are turning parts of the country into a home from home. Let's not sugar coat it, they are segregating themselves. People from many other countries come here and they don't do it and actually do properly intergrate. When there are vast numbers of Muslims in one area, that place becomes an intimidating place to go. I don't think i would be comfortable walking through cobridge late at night. I know i may not be in any danger, but still i would definitely be cautious about it, infact i would probably choose another route. Perhaps it is the intimidation causing the segregation.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Dec 7, 2016 12:24:32 GMT
Learn English is a good start but british law has to be abided by anyone who lives here whether they're christians, muslims, atheists or any other group. You're also going down a very dodgy path if you start enforcing on religious people who aren't breaking the law what they can and can't think about their own religion. All the more reason for a UK oath of allegiance. An unambiguous simple oath stating that among other things you agree that British Law is above all and you will abide by it. MP's take an oath as do Doctors, the Armed Services, Police and even the Girl Guides..... Why not one for Citizenship? I'd also look into ending dual nationality. I'd agree with that.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Dec 7, 2016 12:32:56 GMT
What laws do they break out of interest? Intergration is a two way street and whilst people like crapslinger (and there plenty like him) are hatefully aggresive towards muslims then there's going to be problems in getting people to integrate. I think that with time some of the more unpalatable attitudes of the muslim communities will soften and they will come more in line with our culture but it's goint to take a bit of time. For example when it comes to attitudes towards the LGBT community I'm sure that some (but not all) young muslims that are growing up in Britain will have a very different attitude to young muslims growing up in country such as Syria. It is not a one way street, there is hate on both sides, racism doesn't help, but what makes you think that some Muslims aren't racist. Muslims tend to live in areas where there are even more muslims, is that integration? Some areas Muslims are becoming the majority, is that integration? It seems more like they are turning parts of the country into a home from home. Let's not sugar coat it, they are segregating themselves. People from many other countries come here and they don't do it and actually do properly intergrate. When there are vast numbers of Muslims in one area, that place becomes an intimidating place to go. I don't think i would be comfortable walking through cobridge late at night. I know i may not be in any danger, but still i would definitely be cautious about it, infact i would probably choose another route. Perhaps it is the intimidation causing the segregation. Bloody hell. Why is a place "intimidating" because Muslims live there ffs. Cobridge is as safe or dangerous to walk in as anywhere else in the centre of the city at night. I've spent most of my adult life living in so called "Muslim" areas and never felt in any danger in this country. Muslim kids respect older folk as well. Even the "beardiest" group of teen lads are no trouble and you will like as not get more polite, friendly interraction from them than your average bunch of non-muslim teens. Try getting out more. Speak to a Muslim now and again mate.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Dec 7, 2016 12:39:35 GMT
What laws do they break out of interest? Intergration is a two way street and whilst people like crapslinger (and there plenty like him) are hatefully aggresive towards muslims then there's going to be problems in getting people to integrate. I think that with time some of the more unpalatable attitudes of the muslim communities will soften and they will come more in line with our culture but it's goint to take a bit of time. For example when it comes to attitudes towards the LGBT community I'm sure that some (but not all) young muslims that are growing up in Britain will have a very different attitude to young muslims growing up in country such as Syria. It is not a one way street, there is hate on both sides, racism doesn't help, but what makes you think that some Muslims aren't racist. Muslims tend to live in areas where there are even more muslims, is that integration? Some areas Muslims are becoming the majority, is that integration? It seems more like they are turning parts of the country into a home from home. Let's not sugar coat it, they are segregating themselves. People from many other countries come here and they don't do it and actually do properly intergrate. When there are vast numbers of Muslims in one area, that place becomes an intimidating place to go. I don't think i would be comfortable walking through cobridge late at night. I know i may not be in any danger, but still i would definitely be cautious about it, infact i would probably choose another route. Perhaps it is the intimidation causing the segregation. I've never claimed that some Muslims aren't racist, there are clearly barriers to succesful intergration on both sides. With regards to your point about segregation is it really a surprise that people who share the same beliefs, interests and aspirations group together? It happens all over the world and in all walks of life. When you say people from other countries have you got a specific example of what they have done that you feel muslims aren't doing? I wouldn't find it intimidating to walk through an area which is predominately muslim in the slightest, I've had many social interactions with Muslims and not one has been negative. Why is it that you would feel intimidated, have you had any bad experiences with muslims?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 12:51:11 GMT
It is not a one way street, there is hate on both sides, racism doesn't help, but what makes you think that some Muslims aren't racist. Muslims tend to live in areas where there are even more muslims, is that integration? Some areas Muslims are becoming the majority, is that integration? It seems more like they are turning parts of the country into a home from home. Let's not sugar coat it, they are segregating themselves. People from many other countries come here and they don't do it and actually do properly intergrate. When there are vast numbers of Muslims in one area, that place becomes an intimidating place to go. I don't think i would be comfortable walking through cobridge late at night. I know i may not be in any danger, but still i would definitely be cautious about it, infact i would probably choose another route. Perhaps it is the intimidation causing the segregation. Bloody hell. Why is a place "intimidating" because Muslims live there ffs. Cobridge is as safe or dangerous to walk in as anywhere else in the centre of the city at night. I've spent most of my adult life living in so called "Muslim" areas and never felt in any danger in this country. Muslim kids respect older folk as well. Even the "beardiest" group of teen lads are no trouble and you will like as not get more polite, friendly interraction from them than your average bunch of non-muslim teens. Try getting out more. Speak to a Muslim now and again mate. I have been on the end of unprovoked racial verbal abuse in the day time in cobridge when i used to work there, and from muslims. I think i am entitled to be a little cautious.
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Post by woodstein on Dec 7, 2016 12:52:55 GMT
Intimidation: During the Bradford riots, a working men's club was set alight by muslim youths while folk were in it - thats more than intimidation, I'd call it attempted murder, but police didn't. The rioters said it was their area and didn't target Asian properties. The club wasn't full of white lads but mainly middle aged or elderly white folk from the area doing what they'd always done. After that, they had to relocate 2 or 3 miles away so many could longer enjoy popping down to a local.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 7, 2016 12:53:56 GMT
I've never claimed that some Muslims aren't racist, there are clearly barriers to succesful intergration on both sides. Why do 'we' need to integrate with 'them'? I was very happy living in a white, Christian country. If I'd wanted to 'integrate' Islamic culture into my life I'd have moved to an Islamic country. They chose to come here knowing full well what our country was like before they arrived. Stop forcing other cultures & beliefs onto people who never wanted nor asked for them. With regards to your point about segregation is it really a surprise that people who share the same beliefs, interests and aspirations group together? It happens all over the world and in all walks of life. When you say people from other countries have you got a specific example of what they have done that you feel muslims aren't doing? Unyet when white people want to live together 'cos they share beliefs, interests & aspirations... Or heaven forebid dare to vote for something which they feel can help to protect their beliefs & interets, they're labelled intolerant, hate-filled, racist, xenophobes. I wouldn't find it intimidating to walk through an area which is predominately muslim in the slightest, I've had many social interactions with Muslims and not one has been negative. Why is it that you would feel intimidated, have you had any bad experiences with muslims? It must be great living in Utopia. Unfortunatley for the rest of us we're stuck in the real world.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Dec 7, 2016 12:57:23 GMT
Here we go. Crapslinger will be along with his final solution next.
I'm not feeding this bullshit.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Dec 7, 2016 13:19:49 GMT
I've never claimed that some Muslims aren't racist, there are clearly barriers to succesful intergration on both sides. Why do 'we' need to integrate with 'them'? I was very happy living in a white, Christian country. If I'd wanted to 'integrate' Islamic culture into my life I'd have moved to an Islamic country. They chose to come here knowing full well what our country was like before they arrived. Stop forcing other cultures & beliefs onto people who never wanted nor asked for them. With regards to your point about segregation is it really a surprise that people who share the same beliefs, interests and aspirations group together? It happens all over the world and in all walks of life. When you say people from other countries have you got a specific example of what they have done that you feel muslims aren't doing? Unyet when white people want to live together 'cos they share beliefs, interests & aspirations... Or heaven forebid dare to vote for something which they feel can help to protect their beliefs & interets, they're labelled intolerant, hate-filled, racist, xenophobes. I wouldn't find it intimidating to walk through an area which is predominately muslim in the slightest, I've had many social interactions with Muslims and not one has been negative. Why is it that you would feel intimidated, have you had any bad experiences with muslims? It must be great living in Utopia. Unfortunatley for the rest of us we're stuck in the real world. Who's forcing their culture/beliefs on you? How are they doing it? You seem to be getting intergration confused with 'deference'. It's possible to intergrate without any particular group needing to lose their beliefs, culture or identity, it's just about co-existing together in a harmonious manner. So long as people abide by the rule of law and pay taxes when it's required everything else is insignificant really.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 7, 2016 13:30:28 GMT
Who's forcing their culture/beliefs on you? How are they doing it? You seem to be getting intergration confused with 'deference'. It's possible to intergrate without any particular group needing to lose their beliefs, culture or identity, it's just about co-existing together in a harmonious manner. So long as people abide by the rule of law and pay taxes when it's required everything else is insignificant really. So what about these Muslim men with 2/3/4 wives? What about their arranged marriages & devorces taking place in Sharia courts? Men & women being segregated in certain buildings/meetings? So-called 'honour' killings etc... These are all examples of things which take place in Muslim communites in Great Britain.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Dec 7, 2016 13:36:01 GMT
Who's forcing their culture/beliefs on you? How are they doing it? You seem to be getting intergration confused with 'deference'. It's possible to intergrate without any particular group needing to lose their beliefs, culture or identity, it's just about co-existing together in a harmonious manner. So long as people abide by the rule of law and pay taxes when it's required everything else is insignificant really. So what about these Muslim men with 2/3/4 wives? What about their arranged marriages & devorces taking place in Sharia courts? Men & women being segregated in certain buildings/meetings? So-called 'honour' killings etc... These are all examples of things which take place in Muslim communites in Great Britain. Honour killings are against the law, if they do it they're going to be subject to the British criminal justice system as they would with anything else they do which breaks British laws.
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Post by woodstein on Dec 7, 2016 14:09:05 GMT
I think this I certainly segregation - I live next door to a muslim family and about 6 years ago when my son was 4 or 5 next doors 3 similar aged girls used to jump over the fence to play football with him in our garden. That was ended when their father erected a 6 foot+ fence and they never played again. My son couldn't understand but its obvious that Muslims don't want their girls mixing with white or non muslim males.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Dec 7, 2016 14:10:26 GMT
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 7, 2016 14:48:53 GMT
Why do 'we' need to integrate with 'them'? I was very happy living in a white, Christian country. If I'd wanted to 'integrate' Islamic culture into my life I'd have moved to an Islamic country. They chose to come here knowing full well what our country was like before they arrived. Stop forcing other cultures & beliefs onto people who never wanted nor asked for them. Unyet when white people want to live together 'cos they share beliefs, interests & aspirations... Or heaven forebid dare to vote for something which they feel can help to protect their beliefs & interets, they're labelled intolerant, hate-filled, racist, xenophobes. It must be great living in Utopia. Unfortunatley for the rest of us we're stuck in the real world. Who's forcing their culture/beliefs on you? How are they doing it? You seem to be getting intergration confused with 'deference'. It's possible to intergrate without any particular group needing to lose their beliefs, culture or identity, it's just about co-existing together in a harmonious manner. So long as people abide by the rule of law and pay taxes when it's required everything else is insignificant really. Are you serious Rick? Maybe you should ask Salmon Rushdie. Many years ago a friend of mine worked in admin at what was Cauldon College. To signal a minutes' silence on the anniversary of 9/11 the college bell was to be rung. At the last minute this was overruled by the principal because it might 'offend' local residents. How about works' charity raffles that now don't include bottles of alcohol?
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Post by Rick Grimes on Dec 7, 2016 14:59:51 GMT
Who's forcing their culture/beliefs on you? How are they doing it? You seem to be getting intergration confused with 'deference'. It's possible to intergrate without any particular group needing to lose their beliefs, culture or identity, it's just about co-existing together in a harmonious manner. So long as people abide by the rule of law and pay taxes when it's required everything else is insignificant really. Are you serious Rick? Maybe you should ask Salmon Rushdie. Many years ago a friend of mine worked in admin at what was Cauldon College. To signal a minutes' silence on the anniversary of 9/11 the college bell was to be rung. At the last minute this was overruled by the principal because it might 'offend' local residents. How about works' charity raffles that now don't include bottles of alcohol? It also might not have offended local residents either, it's a daft decision by the principal to overule it. So what if there's no alcohol in work's charity raffles, there are plenty of non muslims that don't drink alcohol as well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 15:20:53 GMT
I think this I certainly segregation - I live next door to a muslim family and about 6 years ago when my son was 4 or 5 next doors 3 similar aged girls used to jump over the fence to play football with him in our garden. That was ended when their father erected a 6 foot+ fence and they never played again. My son couldn't understand but its obvious that Muslims don't want their girls mixing with white or non muslim males. Yes, because of course that particular family represent all Muslims across the country.....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 15:27:36 GMT
It is not a one way street, there is hate on both sides, racism doesn't help, but what makes you think that some Muslims aren't racist. Muslims tend to live in areas where there are even more muslims, is that integration? Some areas Muslims are becoming the majority, is that integration? It seems more like they are turning parts of the country into a home from home. Let's not sugar coat it, they are segregating themselves. People from many other countries come here and they don't do it and actually do properly intergrate. When there are vast numbers of Muslims in one area, that place becomes an intimidating place to go. I don't think i would be comfortable walking through cobridge late at night. I know i may not be in any danger, but still i would definitely be cautious about it, infact i would probably choose another route. Perhaps it is the intimidation causing the segregation. Bloody hell. Why is a place "intimidating" because Muslims live there ffs. Cobridge is as safe or dangerous to walk in as anywhere else in the centre of the city at night. I've spent most of my adult life living in so called "Muslim" areas and never felt in any danger in this country. Muslim kids respect older folk as well. Even the "beardiest" group of teen lads are no trouble and you will like as not get more polite, friendly interraction from them than your average bunch of non-muslim teens. Try getting out more. Speak to a Muslim now and again mate. This. I'm sure there are areas across the country that are safer than others but that's the same in all cities irrespective of the residents faith/colour. I don't know how some people get out of bed in the morning, I go running through Cheetham Hill in Manchester and have a wander up with the kids at the weekend to the Asian Supermarket and 9/10 the people couldn't be friendlier. Try speaking to a Muslim whilst they're at the park watching their kids play, or in the queue at the supermarket. FFS they don't bite......
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Post by Skankmonkey on Dec 7, 2016 15:36:52 GMT
Bloody hell. Why is a place "intimidating" because Muslims live there ffs. Cobridge is as safe or dangerous to walk in as anywhere else in the centre of the city at night. I've spent most of my adult life living in so called "Muslim" areas and never felt in any danger in this country. Muslim kids respect older folk as well. Even the "beardiest" group of teen lads are no trouble and you will like as not get more polite, friendly interraction from them than your average bunch of non-muslim teens. Try getting out more. Speak to a Muslim now and again mate. This. I'm sure there are areas across the country that are safer than others but that's the same in all cities irrespective of the residents faith/colour. I don't know how some people get out of bed in the morning, I go running through Cheetham Hill in Manchester and have a wander up with the kids at the weekend to the Asian Supermarket and 9/10 the people couldn't be friendlier. Try speaking to a Muslim whilst they're at the park watching their kids play, or in the queue at the supermarket. FFS they don't bite...... I despair at the calibre of the modern Brit. Scared of going somewhere because of some Muslims ffs. They were shitting themselves at the thought of an ice cream seller in a burkha last year. God help us if we ever have to go to war again!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 8, 2016 23:49:18 GMT
Are you serious Rick? Maybe you should ask Salmon Rushdie. Many years ago a friend of mine worked in admin at what was Cauldon College. To signal a minutes' silence on the anniversary of 9/11 the college bell was to be rung. At the last minute this was overruled by the principal because it might 'offend' local residents. How about works' charity raffles that now don't include bottles of alcohol? It also might not have offended local residents either, it's a daft decision by the principal to overule it. So what if there's no alcohol in work's charity raffles, there are plenty of non muslims that don't drink alcohol as well. Yes but the non-muslim, non-drinkers don't object that alcohol is on the prize table. Integration ?? ....... Religious leaders push for Muslim alternative to Peppa Pig - BBC
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Post by Rick Grimes on Dec 9, 2016 8:17:49 GMT
It also might not have offended local residents either, it's a daft decision by the principal to overule it. So what if there's no alcohol in work's charity raffles, there are plenty of non muslims that don't drink alcohol as well. Yes but the non-muslim, non-drinkers don't object that alcohol is on the prize table. Integration ?? ....... Religious leaders push for Muslim alternative to Peppa Pig - BBC If you've got muslims in the workplace it's common sense that alchohol shouldn't be on the prize table though isn't it. There's plenty of other prizes that muslims could find useful. I don't think there's much wrong with wanting a muslim alternative to Peppa Pig to be honest, if they wanted Peppa Pig to be removed completely and replaced with a muslim alternative then I could understand the uproar but that's not what's happening. It's a complete non-story.
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 9, 2016 8:34:07 GMT
It also might not have offended local residents either, it's a daft decision by the principal to overule it. So what if there's no alcohol in work's charity raffles, there are plenty of non muslims that don't drink alcohol as well. Yes but the non-muslim, non-drinkers don't object that alcohol is on the prize table. Integration ?? ....... Religious leaders push for Muslim alternative to Peppa Pig - BBC Actually my experience is that it's very rarely the muslims who complain or take offence, it's normally a non muslim who decides something will be offensive, laughable to think a muslim work colleague wouldn't be capable of selling, swapping or regifting a bottle of alcohol just like any other work colleague could if they were to win something they didn't want.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 9, 2016 8:52:32 GMT
If you've got muslims in the workplace it's common sense that alchohol shouldn't be on the prize table though isn't it. There's plenty of other prizes that muslims could find useful. I don't think there's much wrong with wanting a muslim alternative to Peppa Pig to be honest, if they wanted Peppa Pig to be removed completely and replaced with a muslim alternative then I could understand the uproar but that's not what's happening. It's a complete non-story. Rick, read your post back to yourself but read the second part first.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 9, 2016 8:54:06 GMT
Actually my experience is that it's very rarely the muslims who complain or take offence, it's normally a non muslim who decides something will be offensive, laughable to think a muslim work colleague wouldn't be capable of selling, swapping or regifting a bottle of alcohol just like any other work colleague could if they were to win something they didn't want. Indeed. At the core of most of these stupid stories (can't fly England flag, Xmas is Winterfest etc) there is normally a stupid, overpaid British person who believes the myth, fed to them by a jingoistic, offense-obsessed media, that there is a baying crowd of Muslims waiting to be offended by everything.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 9, 2016 9:11:07 GMT
Actually my experience is that it's very rarely the muslims who complain or take offence, it's normally a non muslim who decides something will be offensive, laughable to think a muslim work colleague wouldn't be capable of selling, swapping or regifting a bottle of alcohol just like any other work colleague could if they were to win something they didn't want. Indeed. At the core of most of these stupid stories (can't fly England flag, Xmas is Winterfest etc) there is normally a stupid, overpaid British person who believes the myth, fed to them by a jingoistic, offense-obsessed media, that there is a baying crowd of Muslims waiting to be offended by everything. So not like the Bataclan Massacre then? That's at the extreme end of wedge at the other it's decades of the Liberal Left trying to be 'inclusive' which really means labelling anything British as jingoistic and xenophobic. And those of other faiths and beliefs are all too happy to allow this under the umbrella of democracy, freedom of speech and human rights until it's 'the norm' and anyone who questions these practices is labelled as jingoistic and xenophobic.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Dec 9, 2016 9:11:46 GMT
If you've got muslims in the workplace it's common sense that alchohol shouldn't be on the prize table though isn't it. There's plenty of other prizes that muslims could find useful. I don't think there's much wrong with wanting a muslim alternative to Peppa Pig to be honest, if they wanted Peppa Pig to be removed completely and replaced with a muslim alternative then I could understand the uproar but that's not what's happening. It's a complete non-story. Rick, read your post back to yourself but read the second part first. Yeah I agree both are complete non-stories In all seriousness though are workplaces removing alcohol from raffles because muslims are complaining? Or are those who decide what the prizes are just being considerate and sensible in thinking that alcohol isn't an appropriate prize if there are muslims taking part?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 9, 2016 9:16:58 GMT
Indeed. At the core of most of these stupid stories (can't fly England flag, Xmas is Winterfest etc) there is normally a stupid, overpaid British person who believes the myth, fed to them by a jingoistic, offense-obsessed media, that there is a baying crowd of Muslims waiting to be offended by everything. So not like the Bataclan Massacre then? That's at the extreme end of wedge at the other it's decades of the Liberal Left trying to be 'inclusive' which really means labelling anything British as jingoistic and xenophobic. And those of other faiths and beliefs are all too happy to allow this under the umbrella of democracy, freedom of speech and human rights until it's 'the norm' and anyone who questions these practices is labelled as jingoistic and xenophobic. What has the Bataclan attack got to do with anything I wrote? I was writing about decisions made on such stupid things as renaming Xmas as Winterfest and all those stupid decisions made by people trying to be PC but just not really getting the point. Bataclan was a terrorist attack. I'm struggling to see the link at the moment.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 9, 2016 9:22:22 GMT
Rick, read your post back to yourself but read the second part first. Yeah I agree both are complete non-stories In all seriousness though are workplaces removing alcohol from raffles because muslims are complaining? Or are those who decide what the prizes are just being considerate and sensible in thinking that alcohol isn't an appropriate prize if there are muslims taking part? I'd imagine there's a 50/50 split between Muslims taking offence themselves & do-gooders taking offence on their behalf. Either way I find it pathetic. There are plenty of prizes in raffles that are of no use to me, it's why I don't bother taking part in them... But if I won something I didn't want or couldn't use, I'd just swap it/sell/it give it away/etc... There are far more important things to worry about in life than winning a prize I can't use. And where do you draw the line? If a Muslim moves into a street that's always had a pub in it, should the pub close as it's 'not appropriate' if there are Muslims living there? Or should the Muslim just realise that this is Great Britain & we're not trying to offend them or their faith, we're just British & always have, still do, and always shall enjoy having a drink.
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Post by thevoid on Dec 9, 2016 9:43:54 GMT
Actually my experience is that it's very rarely the muslims who complain or take offence, it's normally a non muslim who decides something will be offensive, laughable to think a muslim work colleague wouldn't be capable of selling, swapping or regifting a bottle of alcohol just like any other work colleague could if they were to win something they didn't want. Correct, the big problem is with 'progressives' who get offended on behalf of Muslims and foreigners whilst in most cases the supposed offended party couldn't give two shits. That creates a lot of bad blood, but then, if there wasn't any bad blood to begin with, there'd be no need for the left-wing rent-a-mob to shout 'RACIST'. Create a problem to solve a problem. Yes, there's a lot of bullshit and urban myths spread on social media by far-right groups, but don't tell me the far-left are innocent in all this. Both far-right and far-left are equally vile. Death threats and anti-semitism from Corbynistas to others in the Labour Party- sounds like Combat 18 tactics.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Dec 9, 2016 10:39:06 GMT
Yeah I agree both are complete non-stories In all seriousness though are workplaces removing alcohol from raffles because muslims are complaining? Or are those who decide what the prizes are just being considerate and sensible in thinking that alcohol isn't an appropriate prize if there are muslims taking part? I'd imagine there's a 50/50 split between Muslims taking offence themselves & do-gooders taking offence on their behalf. Either way I find it pathetic. There are plenty of prizes in raffles that are of no use to me, it's why I don't bother taking part in them... But if I won something I didn't want or couldn't use, I'd just swap it/sell/it give it away/etc... There are far more important things to worry about in life than winning a prize I can't use. And where do you draw the line? If a Muslim moves into a street that's always had a pub in it, should the pub close as it's 'not appropriate' if there are Muslims living there? Or should the Muslim just realise that this is Great Britain & we're not trying to offend them or their faith, we're just British & always have, still do, and always shall enjoy having a drink. I get what your saying but your comparison about closing a pub because because a muslim moves into the street is not even remotely on the same level as ensuring the prizes in a raffle are suitable for those taking part in it. For the raffle you're trying to include everyone in the workplace because that's the fairest thing to do, it's a minor thing but if you don't include alcohol in the prizes then a muslim wil not need to swap it/sell/ give it away etc. It's about being inclusive and in the workplace that seems the right thing to do. Pubs don't need to be inclusive of muslims because they are clearly not their target audience. Unless the pub is unreasonably noisy late at night would a muslim even have a problem with a pub in their street? Just because they choose not to indulge in alchohol it doesn't mean they want to shut anything alchohol related down, I've never heard about such an argument anyway.
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