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Post by mermaidsal on Dec 3, 2016 20:00:54 GMT
That was just a Rolls Royce of a first half, beautiful goals, ok we let them play too much second half and a stronger side would have taken advantage, but so many positives for Sparky today. The bold decision to start with last week's side paid off and we finally seem to have cracked the coming out cold problem. Those wouldn't have been my sub decisions, but all in all:
8*
add * if you were at the match please
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Post by Scrotnig on Dec 3, 2016 20:02:21 GMT
I wasn't at the match so I won't post a score, but his selection decisions were courageous in the extreme. He would have been utterly slated if we'd lost....
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Dec 3, 2016 20:12:01 GMT
I wasn't at the match so I won't post a score, but his selection decisions were courageous in the extreme. He would have been utterly slated if we'd lost.... Probably by Mermaidsal
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Post by mermaidsal on Dec 3, 2016 20:16:10 GMT
I wasn't at the match so I won't post a score, but his selection decisions were courageous in the extreme. He would have been utterly slated if we'd lost.... Probably by Mermaidsal Who me? I've already eaten my words in an oatcake with bacon and cheese and salop didn't even have to force them down my throat...
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 3, 2016 20:24:58 GMT
Some proper Harlem Globetrotter stuff in the first half, reminiscent of last December, great stuff. A non event of a second half and subs that entirely killed any threat we had.
8
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Post by ayem on Dec 3, 2016 20:29:22 GMT
Some proper Harlem Globetrotter stuff in the first half, reminiscent of last December, great stuff. A non event of a second half and subs that entirely killed any threat we had. 8 I like the subs to get shaqiri and Arnie off the field. Lots of games to play soon. No need for injuries to two of our best/most susceptible to damage.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Dec 3, 2016 20:30:46 GMT
8
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Post by maninasuitcase on Dec 3, 2016 20:35:16 GMT
8*
Surprised he stuck with the same team as last week given we had Allen and whelan available. However we got the result so fair dues. Cracking finish by muni for the second as well.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 3, 2016 20:36:12 GMT
Some proper Harlem Globetrotter stuff in the first half, reminiscent of last December, great stuff. A non event of a second half and subs that entirely killed any threat we had. 8 I like the subs to get shaqiri and Arnie off the field. Lots of games to play soon. No need for injuries to two of our best/most susceptible to damage. Oh yeah it looked like it was with 'Christmas in mind' but it completely killed the game. We were all over the show attacking wise. No real idea who was doing what.
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Post by ayem on Dec 3, 2016 20:40:41 GMT
I like the subs to get shaqiri and Arnie off the field. Lots of games to play soon. No need for injuries to two of our best/most susceptible to damage. Oh yeah it looked like it was with 'Christmas in mind' but it completely killed the game. We were all over the show attacking wise. No real idea who was doing what. Yup. Game was killed. But did so at 2-0. Id really like to see Sobhi come in stead of Crouch to boost his defense and set piece play in that situation. Regardless, game won, players saved, on to the next one.
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Post by butlerstbob on Dec 3, 2016 20:40:45 GMT
8* subs killed the game, he should have give Ramadan a run as we had no outlet pace or skill once Shaq & Arnie went off.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2016 20:41:14 GMT
10. Two weekends in a row we've strolled to easy wins. We never broke sweat today. I didn't agree with the subs but it's the results that count
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Post by stokerstayinup on Dec 3, 2016 20:43:20 GMT
10
Ballsy team selection. Would love to know if Ryan had have been fit what he would have done!
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 3, 2016 20:45:28 GMT
Oh yeah it looked like it was with 'Christmas in mind' but it completely killed the game. We were all over the show attacking wise. No real idea who was doing what. Yup. Game was killed. But did so at 2-0. Id really like to see Sobhi come in stead of Crouch to boost his defense and set piece play in that situation. Regardless, game won, players saved, on to the next one. I disagree. Crouch was an excellent decision. Great outlet, won every header, held the ball up (even flicked the ball on to himself at one point) and on defensive set pieces he is by far our best header of the ball. I would still have liked to have seen Sobhi as well though but Crouch was the pragmatic decision to see out the game. PS 8+ from me.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 3, 2016 21:01:01 GMT
8*
Brave decision to start last week's winning 11 and formation - but a second clean sheet was well deserved. Like the poster above I think Ramadan would have added something either at wing back (I wasn't convinced by Pieters today) or as Arnie's replacement in the second half. I'm another one who thinks that Crouch was a good sub to see out the game. He defends well and provides a great out ball late in the game.
I thought Muniesa's goal was a thing of beauty from the time it left Grant to the time it ended up in Robinson's net. How many centre backs could or would have started AND finished the move for that goal? Supports my theory that there could be a VERY good central defensive midfielder tucked inside Muniesa. I do hope Hughes tries to find out if there is sooner rather than later.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 4, 2016 9:54:48 GMT
10 we won with another dominant performance.
It would have been easy to throw Allen and whelan back in. Easy to give bony another chance but we have a busy period coming up and the whole group will be needed. This was great man management.
The only criticism is that sobhi could have been given a run out as we were two up. But that's being picky
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Post by RAF on Dec 4, 2016 10:10:28 GMT
9.
I dont have a problem killing the game 2-0 up. Defending a 1 goal deficit is what grips my pip!
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 4, 2016 11:28:34 GMT
6.5 for me * slow start but then some great stuff
second half was pretty average though , we need to be more ruthless
would have been a 7 if he had put Ramadan on for Arnie , thought Crouch was a pretty negative move and left us with no pace for the rest of the game made no sense
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Post by alster on Dec 4, 2016 17:03:51 GMT
7*
Played some very good football for 25 minutes only problem being I pay for 90. Saw no reason to shut the game down, subs were negative. Not my cup of tea but most seem happy to win regardless of the manner in which you do it.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Dec 4, 2016 17:34:50 GMT
9.
Ballsy starting line up, great first half after a shaky opening few minutes, and then pragmatic substitution to kill the game off at 2-0 up. Never really looked like anything but a comfortable home win. Job well done.
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Post by rambo61 on Dec 4, 2016 19:03:49 GMT
Repaid last weeks team but with his form at the moment would have to find a place for Allen. Would have liked to see Ramadan for a out of sorts Shakki. 2.0 win..what do I know??**
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 4, 2016 20:38:28 GMT
7* from me stuck with a winning team as he should but negative subs again when we should have been looking to beat Bumly by a much more emphatic scoreline considering the first half we had. Gouranga.
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Post by kustokie on Dec 4, 2016 22:15:24 GMT
8. A bit disappointed that he didn't bring Sohbi instead of Crouch and batter home the advantage. But you have applaud another win and a clean sheet.
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Post by scottzbj on Dec 5, 2016 1:07:42 GMT
7* Played some very good football for 25 minutes only problem being I pay for 90. Saw no reason to shut the game down, subs were negative. Not my cup of tea but most seem happy to win regardless of the manner in which you do it. I totally get this; you have paid for 90 minutes and it's a downer to close a game out. Having said that, a win lasts a whole week. When we lose, I have no interest in anything else that happens in football all week and am genuinely down in a small way compared to when we get good results. Don't get me wrong, it's not a case of the result however you get it, but given a couple of very decent goals and some exciting play, I can take a less than exhilirating second half in exchange for a week of being a bit less miserable. 10 for me.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 5, 2016 10:20:04 GMT
All those moaning about the second half. We did exactly what you should do at 2-0 at half time.
Exactly what Klopp should have done
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Post by alster on Dec 5, 2016 11:13:11 GMT
7* Played some very good football for 25 minutes only problem being I pay for 90. Saw no reason to shut the game down, subs were negative. Not my cup of tea but most seem happy to win regardless of the manner in which you do it. I totally get this; you have paid for 90 minutes and it's a downer to close a game out. Having said that, a win lasts a whole week. When we lose, I have no interest in anything else that happens in football all week and am genuinely down in a small way compared to when we get good results. Don't get me wrong, it's not a case of the result however you get it, but given a couple of very decent goals and some exciting play, I can take a less than exhilirating second half in exchange for a week of being a bit less miserable. 10 for me. I did acknowledge that I'm not typical. To me trying to shut the game down with nearly an hour left to play is a no no and has just as much capacity to backfire as achieve its goal. How many times have you seen a team try to do it only to concede the lead and not be able to get going again due to negative changes of personnel and mindset. I can live with the football I watch being less than exhilarating but not by design for such a long period. When we scored the second and almost immediately went into our shell I thought we were being sensible and keeping it tight until half time but we came out and played without ambition for the whole second half with all the changes being of a negative nature. I felt shortchanged from an entertainment point of view by the time I left the ground the exhilaration of our impressive play had evaporated and I left the ground satisfied to have won but not overly impressed by what I'd seen.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 5, 2016 12:03:07 GMT
I totally get this; you have paid for 90 minutes and it's a downer to close a game out. Having said that, a win lasts a whole week. When we lose, I have no interest in anything else that happens in football all week and am genuinely down in a small way compared to when we get good results. Don't get me wrong, it's not a case of the result however you get it, but given a couple of very decent goals and some exciting play, I can take a less than exhilirating second half in exchange for a week of being a bit less miserable. 10 for me. I did acknowledge that I'm not typical. To me trying to shut the game down with nearly an hour left to play is a no no and has just as much capacity to backfire as achieve its goal. How many times have you seen a team try to do it only to concede the lead and not be able to get going again due to negative changes of personnel and mindset. I can live with the football I watch being less than exhilarating but not by design for such a long period. When we scored the second and almost immediately went into our shell I thought we were being sensible and keeping it tight until half time but we came out and played without ambition for the whole second half with all the changes being of a negative nature. I felt shortchanged from an entertainment point of view by the time I left the ground the exhilaration of our impressive play had evaporated and I left the ground satisfied to have won but not overly impressed by what I'd seen. Too many 2-2 draws at home after surrendering 2 goal leads for me in recent years. Sometimes you have to grind games out regardless
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Post by alster on Dec 5, 2016 12:48:29 GMT
I did acknowledge that I'm not typical. To me trying to shut the game down with nearly an hour left to play is a no no and has just as much capacity to backfire as achieve its goal. How many times have you seen a team try to do it only to concede the lead and not be able to get going again due to negative changes of personnel and mindset. I can live with the football I watch being less than exhilarating but not by design for such a long period. When we scored the second and almost immediately went into our shell I thought we were being sensible and keeping it tight until half time but we came out and played without ambition for the whole second half with all the changes being of a negative nature. I felt shortchanged from an entertainment point of view by the time I left the ground the exhilaration of our impressive play had evaporated and I left the ground satisfied to have won but not overly impressed by what I'd seen. Too many 2-2 draws at home after surrendering 2 goal leads for me in recent years. Sometimes you have to grind games out regardless Very vague without referring to actual games, most instances I can think of came about as a very result of us trying to shut the game down and coming unstuck most recent examples WBA this season, Swansea last season. Conceding superiority in a game is dangerous to the point where an absolutely gash Burnley team had unnecessary opportunities. Great on this occasion they didn't take them but why let them trouble you when theres no need for it. Theres no need to be gung ho and take unnecessary risks but theres no need to concede ground, impetus, possession or make negative personnel changes either. Classic example for me and evidence its not just a dig at Hughes was Spurs away last season Potchetino (sp) threw away a comfortable win by needlessly trying to shut the game down.
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