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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 3, 2016 10:36:39 GMT
Oliver Kay in The Times muckraking the 'Foxy's glove' court case and trying to link this and other dressing room 'initiation', 'prank', 'bullying' or sex abuse cases (depending on your view) to the current serious child sex abuse revelations.
Is there any merit in linking them?
And does anyone think this might come back to bite us on the Ralgex inflamed ring piece?
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 3, 2016 10:40:05 GMT
Have we been fingered yet!?!
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Post by dutchstokie on Dec 3, 2016 10:52:09 GMT
Treat it with the contempt it deserves
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Post by Linx on Dec 3, 2016 11:20:50 GMT
Stoke were mentioned in another report as being one of the clubs linked with historical sex abuse. No details, though.
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Post by nott1 on Dec 3, 2016 11:21:22 GMT
Treat it with the contempt it deserves It is often a form of unwanted abuse though these stupid antics in the workplace.
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Post by djduncanjames on Dec 3, 2016 11:22:18 GMT
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Post by mattador78 on Dec 3, 2016 11:25:07 GMT
Surely said case is moot its already been through the courts and has been discredited and any mention in the same category as barry bennel is semi slanderous towards fox. The same as cliff richard and saville one was wrongly accussed and had his reputation stained the other was a dirty perv.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 3, 2016 11:48:22 GMT
Fox should give Kay, 2 fingers .
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 3, 2016 11:53:25 GMT
Surely said case is moot its already been through the courts and has been discredited and any mention in the same category as barry bennel is semi slanderous towards fox. The same as cliff richard and saville one was wrongly accussed and had his reputation stained the other was a dirty perv. That's what I was asking mate can you appeal a civil ruling? I suppose if they dig up new evidence Foxy could be facing a criminal case. I think they might try and lump it with the current sex abuse scandal for the 'throw enough shit some might stick' tactic. It's wrong but if you were this Blackstock fella you'd probably try it. Kay is also making a big deal out of the fact that Foxy and Stoke haven't chased Blackstock for the costs ordered against him as some sign of their guilt. It could just be he's penniless and there's lttle point throwing good money after bad.
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Post by mattador78 on Dec 3, 2016 12:02:10 GMT
Surely said case is moot its already been through the courts and has been discredited and any mention in the same category as barry bennel is semi slanderous towards fox. The same as cliff richard and saville one was wrongly accussed and had his reputation stained the other was a dirty perv. That's what I was asking mate can you appeal a civil ruling? I suppose if they dig up new evidence Foxy could be facing a criminal case. I think they might try and lump it with the current sex abuse scandal for the 'throw enough shit some might stick' tactic. It's wrong but if you were this Blackstock fella you'd probably try it. Kay is also making a big deal out of the fact that Foxy and Stoke haven't chased Blackstock for the costs ordered against him as some sign of their guilt. It could just be he's penniless and there's lttle point throwing good money after bad. Probably cost more money to pursue the costs than the costs i agree,then it the big bad premier billionaires pursuing the little man. The thing i ask is though how come it wasnt pursued as a criminal case first not a civil, civil cases will only orivide financial recompense not punish somebody for a crime if i had plucked up the courage to pursue somebody for violating me i would want them to suffer in the criminal court first then pursue for the financial loss after. Justice should prevail before the wallet
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Post by Gods on Dec 3, 2016 12:04:14 GMT
So Joe Jordan might not have been our greatest ever manager but it looks like he made a good call here if this is true: "Coach Barry Bennell was proposed for a full-time job at Stoke City in the early Nineties but manager Joe Jordan vetoed the move after seeking advice on his reputation." Of course you might go on to ask why if he had this 'reputation' did someone not grass him up but I guess people just put these things on the 'too difficult' pile and get on with their own lives.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 3, 2016 12:05:11 GMT
That's what I was asking mate can you appeal a civil ruling? I suppose if they dig up new evidence Foxy could be facing a criminal case. I think they might try and lump it with the current sex abuse scandal for the 'throw enough shit some might stick' tactic. It's wrong but if you were this Blackstock fella you'd probably try it. Kay is also making a big deal out of the fact that Foxy and Stoke haven't chased Blackstock for the costs ordered against him as some sign of their guilt. It could just be he's penniless and there's lttle point throwing good money after bad. Probably cost more money to pursue the costs than the costs i agree,then it the big bad premier billionaires pursuing the little man. The thing i ask is though how come it wasnt pursued as a criminal case first not a civil, civil cases will only orivide financial recompense not punish somebody for a crime if i had plucked up the courage to pursue somebody for violating me i would want them to suffer in the criminal court first then pursue for the financial loss after. Justice should prevail before the wallet According to the article it was, but Staffs Police and the CPS deffed it out as having insufficient evidence. That's why he went down the civil route as it has a lower standard of proof ie balance of probabilities (50/50) as opposed to beyond all doubt. PS money may of course come into it.
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Post by mattador78 on Dec 3, 2016 12:26:26 GMT
Probably cost more money to pursue the costs than the costs i agree,then it the big bad premier billionaires pursuing the little man. The thing i ask is though how come it wasnt pursued as a criminal case first not a civil, civil cases will only orivide financial recompense not punish somebody for a crime if i had plucked up the courage to pursue somebody for violating me i would want them to suffer in the criminal court first then pursue for the financial loss after. Justice should prevail before the wallet According to the article it was, but Staffs Police and the CPS deffed it out as having insufficient evidence. That's why he went down the civil route as it has a lower standard of proof ie balance of probabilities (50/50) as opposed to beyond all doubt. PS money may of course come into it. So in effect not enough evidence to pursue in criminal thrown out of civil therefore no case to answer. Any evidence brought forward now would surely be questionable as appeals for said evidence had already been made for the civil case brought forward and discredited. Iam not defending any form of abuse here if fox had been found guilty i would have pillored him and said it was all his own fault and sympathies to the victim. What iam saying is that whilst i under stand that double jeopardy laws do not apply as criminal and civil are seperate, there has to be a point where ok thats it he is innocent move on and thats that.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 3, 2016 12:31:11 GMT
According to the article it was, but Staffs Police and the CPS deffed it out as having insufficient evidence. That's why he went down the civil route as it has a lower standard of proof ie balance of probabilities (50/50) as opposed to beyond all doubt. PS money may of course come into it. So in effect not enough evidence to pursue in criminal thrown out of civil therefore no case to answer. Any evidence brought forward now would surely be questionable as appeals for said evidence had already been made for the civil case brought forward and discredited. Iam not defending any form of abuse here if fox had been found guilty i would have pillored him and said it was all his own fault and sympathies to the victim. What iam saying is that whilst i under stand that double jeopardy laws do not apply as criminal and civil are seperate, there has to be a point where ok thats it he is innocent move on and thats that. No I don't know either mate but it clearly helps to stoke the fires (pun intended) in the current climate and of course helps to sell papers. This is one case they can describe in salacious detail all the actual (alleged) sordid abuse. They can't do that on the current ones.
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Post by barcaontrent on Dec 3, 2016 12:38:39 GMT
Thought Fox was cleared of doing it?
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Dec 3, 2016 12:48:56 GMT
Oliver Kay in The Times muckraking the 'Foxy's glove' court case and trying to link this and other dressing room 'initiation', 'prank', 'bullying' or sex abuse cases (depending on your view) to the current serious child sex abuse revelations. Is there any merit in linking them? And does anyone think this might come back to bite us on the Ralgex inflamed ring piece? "Ralgex inflamed ring piece" I know it might be a touchy subject (excuse the pun), but that made me laugh!!!
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Post by metalhead on Dec 3, 2016 12:54:23 GMT
I seem to remember the judge in the Fox case saying that the victim was being dishonest throughout the case. He also called him a fantasist and made him pay more than just costs.
No link and the times are being typically scummy by linking them.
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 3, 2016 14:00:55 GMT
Oliver Kay in The Times muckraking the 'Foxy's glove' court case and trying to link this and other dressing room 'initiation', 'prank', 'bullying' or sex abuse cases (depending on your view) to the current serious child sex abuse revelations. Is there any merit in linking them? And does anyone think this might come back to bite us on the Ralgex inflamed ring piece? "Ralgex inflamed ring piece" I know it might be a touchy subject (excuse the pun), but that made me laugh!!! Is it just me that is becoming intrigued by the idea of a pleasure/pain thing of ralgex ring!?!
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Dec 3, 2016 14:53:23 GMT
"Ralgex inflamed ring piece" I know it might be a touchy subject (excuse the pun), but that made me laugh!!! Is it just me that is becoming intrigued by the idea of a pleasure/pain thing of ralgex ring!?! Quite possibly just you Bath!!!
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Post by mattador78 on Dec 3, 2016 19:25:13 GMT
"Ralgex inflamed ring piece" I know it might be a touchy subject (excuse the pun), but that made me laugh!!! Is it just me that is becoming intrigued by the idea of a pleasure/pain thing of ralgex ring!?! Got it on my balls once not recommended
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 3, 2016 19:33:14 GMT
Is it just me that is becoming intrigued by the idea of a pleasure/pain thing of ralgex ring!?! Got it on my balls once not recommended ThanX 4 saving meXx
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Post by PB1863 on Dec 3, 2016 19:47:45 GMT
Is it just me that is becoming intrigued by the idea of a pleasure/pain thing of ralgex ring!?! Got it on my balls once not recommended Me too. Put some deep heat on my calf , went for a piss and forgot it was on my hands. You only do that once.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 3, 2016 19:51:44 GMT
I'll be giving this thread a miss for obvious reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2016 19:52:49 GMT
I'll be giving this thread a miss for obvious reasons. Lol.
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Post by mattador78 on Dec 3, 2016 20:10:13 GMT
Got it on my balls once not recommended Me too. Put some deep heat on my calf , went for a piss and forgot it was on my hands. You only do that once. Yep its pretty much water resistant so its a case of waiting it out is the only option as wiping it off results in more rubbing in
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Post by jarvinski on Dec 3, 2016 21:14:26 GMT
Lovely plant, the foxglove
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