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Post by bathstoke on Dec 2, 2016 9:55:00 GMT
Other than injecting a bit of life back into the City, being philanthropic, starting a literary festival...
just heard her on Desert Island Discs. Lovely, the right side of Bohemian posh.
The question I'm asking myself is why am I the 1st person to post about it, given that it's a repeat(it was 1st aired on Sunday!?!)
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Post by elystokie on Dec 2, 2016 10:21:13 GMT
Other than injecting a bit of life back into the City, being philanthropic, starting a literary festival... just heard her on Desert Island Discs. Lovely, the right side of Bohemian posh. The question I'm asking myself is why am I the 1st person to post about it, given that it's a repeat(it was 1st aired on Sunday!?!) Didn't know about it squire, does she talk about the city much? Maybe Radio Stoke should give it a run out? |
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Post by redstriper on Dec 2, 2016 11:05:38 GMT
Mar wife buys loads of her stuff at it's premium prices, its very popular up here in cheshaarrrr.... this used to annoy me until I found out what she does for Stoke - nowadays i'm happy to promote it...goarrn Emma.
the wife would probably like to listen - is it on iplayer ?
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 2, 2016 11:36:54 GMT
Other than injecting a bit of life back into the City, being philanthropic, starting a literary festival... just heard her on Desert Island Discs. Lovely, the right side of Bohemian posh. The question I'm asking myself is why am I the 1st person to post about it, given that it's a repeat(it was 1st aired on Sunday!?!) Didn't know about it squire, does she talk about the city much? Maybe Radio Stoke should give it a run out? She said that without Stoke, she wouldn't have started her business. She was inspired by the place... |
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 2, 2016 11:40:01 GMT
Mar wife buys loads of her stuff at it's premium prices, its very popular up here in cheshaarrrr.... this used to annoy me until I found out what she does for Stoke - nowadays i'm happy to promote it...goarrn Emma. the wife would probably like to listen - is it on iplayer ? Yes. I will be listening to the end tonight, as I got to work whilst listening in the car before it finished. I didn't know Stoke had a literary festival!!! |
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Post by Northy on Dec 2, 2016 11:44:51 GMT
Mar wife buys loads of her stuff at it's premium prices, its very popular up here in cheshaarrrr.... this used to annoy me until I found out what she does for Stoke - nowadays i'm happy to promote it...goarrn Emma. the wife would probably like to listen - is it on iplayer ? so does mine, i think she's going there on monday to meet up with some friends |
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Post by murphthesurf on Dec 2, 2016 12:31:46 GMT
Ms Bridgewater is certainly to be massively congratulated for the wide success of her quite quirky and charming designs and especially for the employment she's brought to the area after our Pottery Industry tragically lost so many iconic firms and, with them, so many jobs. I'm pretty sure her factory and shop in Hanley (I think it's called Lichfield Street?) used to be the old Johnson Bros premises - I used to go there quite a lot as they also sold Midwinter (which I loved) products there back in the day as both Johnsons and Middies were part of the Wedgwood Group as it was back then. She also brought out a cookbook 'Toast & Marmalade And Other Stories' a couple of years ago, which I've got - it covers traditional old family meals they used to have, but it's far from just a cookbook and also includes much very interesting stuff about her life. You can get it on Amazon - it mostly has five-star reviews and plenty of glowing praise: www.amazon.co.uk/Toast-Marmalade-Stories-Emma-Bridgewater/dp/1444734911Here's a page with a little bit of info on her that you might like: thefoodiebugle.com/article/cookbooks/toast-marmalade-and-other-stories-by-emma-bridgewaterYes, her products are on the expensive side, though! I bought a butter dish from their factory shop - it must have been at least 15 years ago - and paid something like £24 for it even back then. |
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Post by penkvillepotter on Dec 2, 2016 13:26:11 GMT
I started work at Johnson Brothers. Emma Bridgewater now occupies the old Eastwood Pottery site.
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Post by potterinleeds on Dec 2, 2016 15:36:28 GMT
Didn't her factory formerly belong to the Meakin family?
Often pop in there for a slice of cake and cup of coffee when I am around north Staffs. I like the splatter-glazed blue and white ware - in fact, I'm drinking out of one of the mugs now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 16:41:51 GMT
Mar wife buys loads of her stuff at it's premium prices, its very popular up here in cheshaarrrr.... this used to annoy me until I found out what she does for Stoke - nowadays i'm happy to promote it...goarrn Emma. the wife would probably like to listen - is it on iplayer ? Yes. I will be listening to the end tonight, as I got to work whilst listening in the car before it finished. I didn't know Stoke had a literary festival!!! Used to have one most Friday nights where a group of well built chaps in blue would happily read you your rights after partaking a few too many beverages in a local hostelry.
A stay in their hotel was a thing to remember capped off with the serving of a rubber egg on toast.
"Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive."
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Post by marwood on Dec 2, 2016 18:19:55 GMT
Brilliant ambassador for the city. Never fails to big us up. She has international profile and brand.
I was interviewed on national radio a couple of years ago about decline of the city and pointed to EB as modern success story.
She's married to Matthew Rice who wrote an evocative picture book called the "Lost City of Stoke On Trent."
They both read from it at the Haye Festival
Recommended read
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Post by murphthesurf on Dec 2, 2016 19:16:43 GMT
1) Didn't her factory formerly belong to the Meakin family?
2) Often pop in there for a slice of cake and cup of coffee when I am around north Staffs. I like the splatter-glazed blue and white ware - in fact, I'm drinking out of one of the mugs now.
1) I wouldn't know about that, Leedsy, but Meakins (I think it was officially J & G Meakin) were also part of the Wedgwood Group around that time, so it's entirely possible that they might have shared or part-shared or exchanged premises, I suppose, depending on production facilities, etc??? 2) That's great! Next time you come down, PLEASE have a visit to Middleport Pottery if you've never been there before - (sorry to veer off the title of the thread but it's worth a mention) - you probably already know it's the last still-working actual 'potbank'? You must have a BLT in their cafe - a friend and I went there a few months ago and had a factory tour and did the whole touristy thing. It was fascinating, the guide was SUPERB (as were all the staff, whether on the factory or in the cafe) - and the BLTs were excellent! I bought a load of their blue & white tableware on line a year or two ago.... dark blue with a tiny white pattern on it. Incredibly pretty! If your family up in Leeds aren't Stokies it would really be worth bringing them down for a day sometime and doing a Middleport - or Wedgwood - factory tour to show them why we Stokies are all so passionate about our heritage! |
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Post by blurtonboy on Dec 2, 2016 19:24:27 GMT
If she could bring out a "Over Troubled Water" range, then fit it into her name, there might be quite a big hit there.
If you read this Emma, I am quite cheap, just 0.1% of profits will do.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2016 3:26:14 GMT
If she could bring out a "Over Troubled Water" range, then fit it into her name, there might be quite a big hit there. If you read this Emma, I am quite cheap, just 0.1% of profits will do. I think a "Bridge over the river Kwai" may well be more in tune with Stoke-on-Trent. |
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Post by auntiegeorge on Dec 3, 2016 7:01:49 GMT
Instead of buying cheap crap made in the Far East, wouldn't it be nice if we supported out local ceramics manufacturers this Christmas with china made right here in The Potteries?
I can heartily recommend Hudson & Middleton on the Normacot Road who make some of the most beautiful bone china tea services you can find anywhere and at surprisingly reasonable prices. Nearby is the famous Duchess China - again making very fine teaware and dinner services. Then there is Royal Stafford, Burleigh, Portmeirion (check the backstamp first) and dozens more small bespoke firms.
It seems all people want these days is "i" this and "e" that with built-in life spans. What a waste of money. Go out and support your fellow Stokies by buying a thing of beauty which has taken world class skills to produce!
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Post by Northy on Dec 3, 2016 7:28:55 GMT
Instead of buying cheap crap made in the Far East, wouldn't it be nice if we supported out local ceramics manufacturers this Christmas with china made right here in The Potteries? I can heartily recommend Hudson & Middleton on the Normacot Road who make some of the most beautiful bone china tea services you can find anywhere and at surprisingly reasonable prices. Nearby is the famous Duchess China - again making very fine teaware and dinner services. Then there is Royal Stafford, Burleigh, Portmeirion (check the backstamp first) and dozens more small bespoke firms. It seems all people want these days is "i" this and "e" that with built-in life spans. What a waste of money. Go out and support your fellow Stokies by buying a thing of beauty which has taken world class skills to produce! we always do, we always look underneath to see where its made if wanting to buy something in a shop, and if in a cafe or hotel |
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Post by potterinleeds on Dec 3, 2016 9:49:55 GMT
1) Didn't her factory formerly belong to the Meakin family?
2) Often pop in there for a slice of cake and cup of coffee when I am around north Staffs. I like the splatter-glazed blue and white ware - in fact, I'm drinking out of one of the mugs now.
1) I wouldn't know about that, Leedsy, but Meakins (I think it was officially J & G Meakin) were also part of the Wedgwood Group around that time, so it's entirely possible that they might have shared or part-shared or exchanged premises, I suppose, depending on production facilities, etc??? 2) That's great! Next time you come down, PLEASE have a visit to Middleport Pottery if you've never been there before - (sorry to veer off the title of the thread but it's worth a mention) - you probably already know it's the last still-working actual 'potbank'? You must have a BLT in their cafe - a friend and I went there a few months ago and had a factory tour and did the whole touristy thing. It was fascinating, the guide was SUPERB (as were all the staff, whether on the factory or in the cafe) - and the BLTs were excellent! I bought a load of their blue & white tableware on line a year or two ago.... dark blue with a tiny white pattern on it. Incredibly pretty! If your family up in Leeds aren't Stokies it would really be worth bringing them down for a day sometime and doing a Middleport - or Wedgwood - factory tour to show them why we Stokies are all so passionate about our heritage! Cheers, Murph. I checked on their website and the factory was formerly owned by the Meakin brothers; my Nan used to be their cook at Darlaston Hall (now demolished but near Stone), where part of the family lived, before WW2. Yes, I agree 100 per cent about Middleport. My old ma and pa still live at the north end of Stafford, and they took me up there not long after it had all opened, and like Bridgewater, I try to get there when I am in north Staffordshire. My favourite thing about the café is that big mural on the wall based on the 'Asiatic Pheasant' pattern, I think, and those teapot lights hanging from the ceiling - if I was less upstanding, I would pinch them and take them home. I bang the drum for north Staffordshire, Stoke and Stafford a lot up here, trying to get thick-headed Yorkshire people to appreciate the many attractions of the county, and as other posters have said, I always stress that they ought to get their pottery from Stoke when they can. My mum has a lot of that same dark blue Burleigh tableware too; as well as the new, she has picked up loads of old stuff very cheap at local car boots. As for the family, I have already converted my wife (a German) to the joys of Staffordshire, and it is our aim in maybe 7 or 8 years to move back down. My son comes to matches with me when he can but I'm afraid my teenage daughter is a through and through 'Leeds loiner' - born up here in Leeds General Infirmary, with a West Yorkshire accent that can crush concrete. But she is immensely proud to be from Leeds, which I think is a very good thing - you should be proud of where you come from, shouldn't you? |
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Post by murphthesurf on Dec 3, 2016 13:33:24 GMT
1) I wouldn't know about that, Leedsy, but Meakins (I think it was officially J & G Meakin) were also part of the Wedgwood Group around that time, so it's entirely possible that they might have shared or part-shared or exchanged premises, I suppose, depending on production facilities, etc??? 2) That's great! Next time you come down, PLEASE have a visit to Middleport Pottery if you've never been there before - (sorry to veer off the title of the thread but it's worth a mention) - you probably already know it's the last still-working actual 'potbank'? You must have a BLT in their cafe - a friend and I went there a few months ago and had a factory tour and did the whole touristy thing. It was fascinating, the guide was SUPERB (as were all the staff, whether on the factory or in the cafe) - and the BLTs were excellent! I bought a load of their blue & white tableware on line a year or two ago.... dark blue with a tiny white pattern on it. Incredibly pretty! If your family up in Leeds aren't Stokies it would really be worth bringing them down for a day sometime and doing a Middleport - or Wedgwood - factory tour to show them why we Stokies are all so passionate about our heritage! Cheers, Murph. I checked on their website and the factory was formerly owned by the Meakin brothers; my Nan used to be their cook at Darlaston Hall (now demolished but near Stone), where part of the family lived, before WW2. Yes, I agree 100 per cent about Middleport. My old ma and pa still live at the north end of Stafford, and they took me up there not long after it had all opened, and like Bridgewater, I try to get there when I am in north Staffordshire. My favourite thing about the café is that big mural on the wall based on the 'Asiatic Pheasant' pattern, I think, and those teapot lights hanging from the ceiling - if I was less upstanding, I would pinch them and take them home. I bang the drum for north Staffordshire, Stoke and Stafford a lot up here, trying to get thick-headed Yorkshire people to appreciate the many attractions of the county, and as other posters have said, I always stress that they ought to get their pottery from Stoke when they can. My mum has a lot of that same dark blue Burleigh tableware too; as well as the new, she has picked up loads of old stuff very cheap at local car boots. As for the family, I have already converted my wife (a German) to the joys of Staffordshire, and it is our aim in maybe 7 or 8 years to move back down. My son comes to matches with me when he can but I'm afraid my teenage daughter is a through and through 'Leeds loiner' - born up here in Leeds General Infirmary, with a West Yorkshire accent that can crush concrete. But she is immensely proud to be from Leeds, which I think is a very good thing - you should be proud of where you come from, shouldn't you? Brilliant post and well done you on flying the flag. The Middleport factory was apparently on the very point of demolition a few years ago but, thank goodness, was saved at the 11th hour just as - literally - the bulldozers were being arranged. It's unthinkable what very nearly happened! Prince Charles has since developed an interest in it and its heritage so Middleport will hopefully always now be preserved, which is so, SO crucial to the history of the area. There's no way anyone could ever re-create anything like it. When the Spode company ceased to exist - an absolute tragedy as so many of their tableware designs were lost for ever - Portmerion took over producing one or two Spode designs - their 'Blue Italian' is very famous. Wedgwood always used to do some truly stunning tableware patterns but I think Spode tableware has always been my favourite - it would grace the tables of ANY palace. Coalport China was also very fine indeed and their handpainted vases were literally works of art. One company we haven't mentioned yet is Mason's Ironstone - gorgeous stuff. I use their 'Green Fruit Basket' at home. They used to have a factory shop and I was in there all the time as I couldn't resist their ranges - the shop used to be near to the ABC Cinebowl in Hanley. Huntbach's in Hanley was a lovely old store - their china department was in their basement and they always had a display of Masons 'Regency' on show, so that was the very first Mason's design I fell in love with, even at a very young age. I'm always fascinated when the BBC do a period drama - if any china is used they almost always use a pattern from the Masons range, and very often it's 'Green Fruit Basket' or 'Mandalay'. I sit on the sofa and yell out the pattern names and factory with enormous pride whenever I spot them. The Masons 'Chartreuse' and 'Mandalay' ranges were especially stunning. In the very first episode of 'Dallas' the Ewing family were all eating dinner at their dining table and I remember saying "that's Turquoise Florentine they're using!" This was a Wedgwood pattern with much hand-painting on it - much loved by the Japanese because of all its obvious hand-made element. The Burleigh design I bought is 'Blue Calico'. Habitat, in their heyday in the 1970s/1980s, used to sell it (along with William Adams 'Old Colonial' design, which I did buy), but whilst I always admired it I never got round to buying any. I wish I had, now, as I'd have saved a fortune over what the set I bought a couple of years ago cost me! And if your wife ever starts to talk about Meissen or Dresden porcelain, I trust you immediately start talking over her! (With apologies to GermanStokie off 'ere! ) |
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Post by cerebralstokie on Dec 3, 2016 13:43:52 GMT
Wasn't Hyacinth Bouquet a big fan of Royal Doulton?
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Post by redstriper on Dec 3, 2016 14:05:50 GMT
1) I wouldn't know about that, Leedsy, but Meakins (I think it was officially J & G Meakin) were also part of the Wedgwood Group around that time, so it's entirely possible that they might have shared or part-shared or exchanged premises, I suppose, depending on production facilities, etc??? 2) That's great! Next time you come down, PLEASE have a visit to Middleport Pottery if you've never been there before - (sorry to veer off the title of the thread but it's worth a mention) - you probably already know it's the last still-working actual 'potbank'? You must have a BLT in their cafe - a friend and I went there a few months ago and had a factory tour and did the whole touristy thing. It was fascinating, the guide was SUPERB (as were all the staff, whether on the factory or in the cafe) - and the BLTs were excellent! I bought a load of their blue & white tableware on line a year or two ago.... dark blue with a tiny white pattern on it. Incredibly pretty! If your family up in Leeds aren't Stokies it would really be worth bringing them down for a day sometime and doing a Middleport - or Wedgwood - factory tour to show them why we Stokies are all so passionate about our heritage! Cheers, Murph. I checked on their website and the factory was formerly owned by the Meakin brothers; my Nan used to be their cook at Darlaston Hall (now demolished but near Stone), where part of the family lived, before WW2. Yes, I agree 100 per cent about Middleport. My old ma and pa still live at the north end of Stafford, and they took me up there not long after it had all opened, and like Bridgewater, I try to get there when I am in north Staffordshire. My favourite thing about the café is that big mural on the wall based on the 'Asiatic Pheasant' pattern, I think, and those teapot lights hanging from the ceiling - if I was less upstanding, I would pinch them and take them home. I bang the drum for north Staffordshire, Stoke and Stafford a lot up here, trying to get thick-headed Yorkshire people to appreciate the many attractions of the county, and as other posters have said, I always stress that they ought to get their pottery from Stoke when they can. My mum has a lot of that same dark blue Burleigh tableware too; as well as the new, she has picked up loads of old stuff very cheap at local car boots. As for the family, I have already converted my wife (a German) to the joys of Staffordshire, and it is our aim in maybe 7 or 8 years to move back down. My son comes to matches with me when he can but I'm afraid my teenage daughter is a through and through 'Leeds loiner' - born up here in Leeds General Infirmary, with a West Yorkshire accent that can crush concrete. But she is immensely proud to be from Leeds, which I think is a very good thing - you should be proud of where you come from, shouldn't you? I am a Meakin, distantly related to the pottery family, our branch built up the chain of coal yards which used to provide the coal for the whole area at the turn of the previous century. Not the best business to be in during the 20th century unfortunately so just the one yard left, run by my cousins in pipe gate. Its never cropped up on here before, however when I was in new Hampshire a few years back I went to a living quaker museum, and spotted all the pottery they were using was from Meakins. when I pointed out the family connection they gave us free cakes  |
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Post by murphthesurf on Dec 3, 2016 14:24:13 GMT
Wasn't Hyacinth Bouquet a big fan of Royal Doulton? Yep. She always pronounced it 'Dooooolton' - GRRRRR! Another GRRRR is that when virtually all those antiques bods on the TV talk about Beswick they always pronounce it 'Bezzick'. And I always yell "Bes WICK!" at the TV at the top of my voice. Actually, it's usually "Bes WICK, YOU PEASANT!"  |
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Post by murphthesurf on Dec 3, 2016 14:38:30 GMT
Cheers, Murph. I checked on their website and the factory was formerly owned by the Meakin brothers; my Nan used to be their cook at Darlaston Hall (now demolished but near Stone), where part of the family lived, before WW2. I am a Meakin, distantly related to the pottery family, our branch built up the chain of coal yards which used to provide the coal for the whole area at the turn of the previous century. Not the best business to be in during the 20th century unfortunately so just the one yard left, run by my cousins in pipe gate. Its never cropped up on here before, however when I was in new Hampshire a few years back I went to a living quaker museum, and spotted all the pottery they were using was from Meakins. when I pointed out the family connection they gave us free cakes Here's a sort-of similar story: I spent a wonderful couple of weeks in Washington DC ten years ago and one of the touristy things I did was to visit Mount Vernon, which had been George Washington's home. Amongst all the stuff in their (inevitable!) gift shop was a large range of lovely pottery...... I picked up one of the plates and (you've guessed it!) turned it over - and it was backstamped 'Made in Stoke-on-Trent' !!! I beamed with such pride! Wish I'd told them, now, as a free cake or two would have been lovely! |
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 3, 2016 18:12:01 GMT
I am a Meakin, distantly related to the pottery family, our branch built up the chain of coal yards which used to provide the coal for the whole area at the turn of the previous century. Not the best business to be in during the 20th century unfortunately so just the one yard left, run by my cousins in pipe gate. Its never cropped up on here before, however when I was in new Hampshire a few years back I went to a living quaker museum, and spotted all the pottery they were using was from Meakins. when I pointed out the family connection they gave us free cakes Here's a sort-of similar story: I spent a wonderful couple of weeks in Washington DC ten years ago and one of the touristy things I did was to visit Mount Vernon, which had been George Washington's home. Amongst all the stuff in their (inevitable!) gift shop was a large range of lovely pottery...... I picked up one of the plates and (you've guessed it!) turned it over - and it was backstamped 'Made in Stoke-on-Trent' !!! I beamed with such pride! Wish I'd told them, now, as a free cake or two would have been lovely! & so it should have been. Wedgwood was at its zenith during Washingtons PresidencyXx |
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Post by potterinleeds on Dec 3, 2016 18:42:13 GMT
I am a Meakin, distantly related to the pottery family, our branch built up the chain of coal yards which used to provide the coal for the whole area at the turn of the previous century. Not the best business to be in during the 20th century unfortunately so just the one yard left, run by my cousins in pipe gate. Its never cropped up on here before, however when I was in new Hampshire a few years back I went to a living quaker museum, and spotted all the pottery they were using was from Meakins. when I pointed out the family connection they gave us free cakes That's interesting - thanks - and good stuff about the cakes. There must be Staffordshire pottery in virtually every corner of the globe, I reckon - one of the things I like is that wherever I am in England, if I'm walking along a ploughed field or even past utility trenches, you can almost guarantee that a bit of blue and white will show up. It reminds me that I am never too far from home |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2016 22:07:03 GMT
Love the cafe... I painted it ;-)
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Dec 4, 2016 19:07:51 GMT
Off on a slight tangent,but given the number of posters with an interest in ceramics we appear to have,I'd recommend The BBC4 documentary 'Beautiful Thing: A passion for Porcelain,'about Sèvres pottery.Fascinating stuff,should still be on YouTube in its entirety.
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 4, 2016 19:27:26 GMT
Cheers, Murph. I checked on their website and the factory was formerly owned by the Meakin brothers; my Nan used to be their cook at Darlaston Hall (now demolished but near Stone), where part of the family lived, before WW2. Yes, I agree 100 per cent about Middleport. My old ma and pa still live at the north end of Stafford, and they took me up there not long after it had all opened, and like Bridgewater, I try to get there when I am in north Staffordshire. My favourite thing about the café is that big mural on the wall based on the 'Asiatic Pheasant' pattern, I think, and those teapot lights hanging from the ceiling - if I was less upstanding, I would pinch them and take them home. I bang the drum for north Staffordshire, Stoke and Stafford a lot up here, trying to get thick-headed Yorkshire people to appreciate the many attractions of the county, and as other posters have said, I always stress that they ought to get their pottery from Stoke when they can. My mum has a lot of that same dark blue Burleigh tableware too; as well as the new, she has picked up loads of old stuff very cheap at local car boots. As for the family, I have already converted my wife (a German) to the joys of Staffordshire, and it is our aim in maybe 7 or 8 years to move back down. My son comes to matches with me when he can but I'm afraid my teenage daughter is a through and through 'Leeds loiner' - born up here in Leeds General Infirmary, with a West Yorkshire accent that can crush concrete. But she is immensely proud to be from Leeds, which I think is a very good thing - you should be proud of where you come from, shouldn't you? I am a Meakin, distantly related to the pottery family, our branch built up the chain of coal yards which used to provide the coal for the whole area at the turn of the previous century. Not the best business to be in during the 20th century unfortunately so just the one yard left, run by my cousins in pipe gate. Its never cropped up on here before, however when I was in new Hampshire a few years back I went to a living quaker museum, and spotted all the pottery they were using was from Meakins. when I pointed out the family connection they gave us free cakes Unashamed name dropping |
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Post by potterinleeds on Dec 4, 2016 19:38:32 GMT
Off on a slight tangent,but given the number of posters with an interest in ceramics we appear to have,I'd recommend The BBC4 documentary 'Beautiful Thing: A passion for Porcelain,'about Sèvres pottery.Fascinating stuff,should still be on YouTube in its entirety. There was a very good 3-part series on the history of British ceramics on BBC4 either last year or the year before. The second part was entirely about Stoke, and was cast entirely in a rather mournful light, but really was a superb bit of documentary. They had good talking heads too - A N Wilson, Matthew Rice etc. |
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