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Post by ryan4england on Nov 22, 2016 18:40:30 GMT
No its your own agenda, you cant hear q good word said about him, well he won 4-0 last night and they played well so you'll have to deal with it as hard as it is. Thread after thread for 6 month hughes has been dishing out shit performances and results, what do you expect? Praise? you didnt hear me moaning during 3 wins recently. I dont know what you expect as a stoke fan but for me its to be organised, play well, work hard, create chances, score goals, be able to defend simple set pieces and play with purpose & effectiveness ALSO when given the proven goalscorer thought to be needed give him chances to score. Theres losing and then theres strolling around the pitch playing slow tempo shit then after the match claiming you were passing it around well and if we had a little more luck etc etc, genius. We dont even have widemen putting crosses in from the line instead expecting cleverness & boxes of tricks to work every time. He never says its shit when its diarreah. Its boring, slow tempo tippy tappy shit. 4 years in charge and our central midfielders are good players in their own right only they cant play together in this slow paced shit system. I was never pulis' biggest fan but he could organise at least and did the basics right. Hughes doesnt do the basics and we dont excell at the frills stuff either Apart from these minor flaws its brilliant, well done mark. Organise what basics ....you mean those 14/57 in his last 6 months as he'd had 10 years to get to that point or has your rewriting of history got the better of you ? You really need to think before you post I won't argue his final days were poor but the way you & others go out of your way to put him down is not very appreciative. You'll happily say how stoke fans expect to much through hughes'6 months of shit though. Tony pulis, rescued the club from oblivion, signing players like mark crossley, taggart etc. He later won promotion, defied the bookies who already paid out, punching above our weight using an effective type of football teams just could not deal with, james beattie coming in, walters, adam, faye, huth, etherington, pennant, nzonzi, butland ( to later save hughes'job). All signed for less than 25 million, crouch 10 million was thought to be over the odds but hes proved to be good value even if he left for free now. A cup final and europe well at the same time converting a championship club & squad into a premier league club & players with the clubs best interest at heart. Teams were frightened to death of coming to the brit, the team were physical but fair, hard working with no pussies on board, fit players grafting like they meant it aswell as being organised. Mark hughes inherited this,spent more money and has got top 10 finishes, despite this his proven 120k a week striker looks like a league 1 player, our wage bill is a hell of a lot higher, we cant defend set pieces or score from them (once in a blue moon). We're not feared any more, we're not physical, we're not organised but we pass the ball nicely where it doesnt matter. How many shots on target this past weekend against bounemouth at home with all the riches mark has been afforded "on top" of pulis' rock solid foundations Who has done the best job then? If you think people expect to much from hughes then what were you expecting from pulis?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 22, 2016 18:45:27 GMT
Hughes actually inherited a dispirited bunch that had won just 22% of their league games since the start of 2012 and had won three times in five months.
He hasn't spent more money.
We've scored a fair few of our goals and created chances from set pieces this season.
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Post by ryan4england on Nov 22, 2016 18:49:51 GMT
Hughes actually inherited a dispirited bunch that had won just 22% of their league games since the start of 2012 and had won three times in five months. He hasn't spent more money. We've scored a fair few of our goals and created chances from set pieces this season. Pulis went stale, what he inherited though was a good group of pros low on confidence, even so a good bunch of pros, proven players
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 22, 2016 18:51:14 GMT
Hughes actually inherited a dispirited bunch that had won just 22% of their league games since the start of 2012 and had won three times in five months. He hasn't spent more money. We've scored a fair few of our goals and created chances from set pieces this season. Pulis went stale, what he inherited though was a good group of pros low on confidence, even so a good bunch of pros, proven players And Hughes achieved with them finishes his predecessor couldn't. Restoring confidence isn't a given, plenty of managers inherit that kind of squad and absolutely tank.
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Post by upthefud on Nov 22, 2016 18:53:57 GMT
Hughes actually inherited a dispirited bunch that had won just 22% of their league games since the start of 2012 and had won three times in five months. He hasn't spent more money. We've scored a fair few of our goals and created chances from set pieces this season. Hughes has done a good job but he has wasted more money than Pulis. Imbula, Joselu and Shaq for example have all failed to live up to expectations in varying ways. Why is it so difficult for people to accept that Tony Pulis and Peter Coates did a fantastic job for this football club? Why do people need to constantly berate one of the most successful managers in our history? Yeah the last few months were shit but boo hoo, it's better to be shit for half a season in the top flight than shit in League one which was where we heading before the bloke took over.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 22, 2016 18:55:51 GMT
Hughes actually inherited a dispirited bunch that had won just 22% of their league games since the start of 2012 and had won three times in five months. He hasn't spent more money. We've scored a fair few of our goals and created chances from set pieces this season. It was completely the right decision to sack Pulis when the club did, it all started to go to rat shit after the FA Cup Final, however in my opinion we should have moved Hughes out at the end of last season, our form from February was diabolical and equally as bad as the dross served up by Pulis in his final season, we have won a few games and the result at Old Trafford was a bit of a spring board, the problem for me is the lack of depth in the squad in key poitions these issues should have been addressed in any of the past three transfer windows by the managment, we have big problems when players are missing take Whelan on Saturday hardly a rock the city signing but as we all saw on Saturday when he is not available we have no adequate cover, despite spending a shed load on midfielders including our record signing we still have no answer to the Whelan position, the cover at LB and CB is a joke this is down to our current managment team the buck stops with Hughes and his team i'm afraid.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 22, 2016 18:58:52 GMT
Hughes actually inherited a dispirited bunch that had won just 22% of their league games since the start of 2012 and had won three times in five months. He hasn't spent more money. We've scored a fair few of our goals and created chances from set pieces this season. It was completely the right decision to sack Pulis when the club did, it all started to go to rat shit after the FA Cup Final, however in my opinion we should have moved Hughes out at the end of last season, our form from February was diabolical and equally as bad as the dross served up by Pulis in his final season, we have won a few games and the result at Old Trafford was a bit of a spring board, the problem for me is the lack of depth in the squad in key poitions these issues should have been addressed in any of the past three transfer windows by the managment, we have big problems when players are missing take Whelan on Saturday hardly a rock the city signing but as we all saw on Saturday when he is not available we have no adequate cover, despite spending a shed load on midfielders including our record signing we still have no answer to the Whelan position, the cover at LB and CB is a joke this is down to our current managment team the buck stops with Hughes and his team i'm afraid. With the money spent what do you expect exactly? Top 4? Europe? We've got the exact same problems as most other clubs in the league.
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Post by roylandstoke on Nov 22, 2016 19:00:40 GMT
Hughes actually inherited a dispirited bunch that had won just 22% of their league games since the start of 2012 and had won three times in five months. He hasn't spent more money. We've scored a fair few of our goals and created chances from set pieces this season. Hughes has done a good job but he has wasted more money than Pulis. Imbula, Joselu and Shaq for example have all failed to live up to expectations in varying ways. Why is it so difficult for people to accept that Tony Pulis and Peter Coates did a fantastic job for this football club? Why do people need to constantly berate one of the most successful managers in our history? Yeah the last few months were shit but boo hoo, it's better to be shit for half a season in the top flight than shit in League one which was where we heading before the bloke took over. Joselu cost the same as Kitson. Imbula could still come good as he is still young...forgotten Palacios, Tonge, Olofinjana, Soares? Shaq is well worth £12M in the current climate and will only get better. We will make millions if we sell.
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Post by samba :) on Nov 22, 2016 19:01:11 GMT
BOin boing bag of shit
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 22, 2016 19:03:01 GMT
It was completely the right decision to sack Pulis when the club did, it all started to go to rat shit after the FA Cup Final, however in my opinion we should have moved Hughes out at the end of last season, our form from February was diabolical and equally as bad as the dross served up by Pulis in his final season, we have won a few games and the result at Old Trafford was a bit of a spring board, the problem for me is the lack of depth in the squad in key poitions these issues should have been addressed in any of the past three transfer windows by the managment, we have big problems when players are missing take Whelan on Saturday hardly a rock the city signing but as we all saw on Saturday when he is not available we have no adequate cover, despite spending a shed load on midfielders including our record signing we still have no answer to the Whelan position, the cover at LB and CB is a joke this is down to our current managment team the buck stops with Hughes and his team i'm afraid. With the money spent what do you expect exactly? Top 4? Europe? We've got the exact same problems as most other clubs in the league. A Cup Final and a European adventure perhaps, I seem to remember we did both not that long ago
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Post by mcf on Nov 22, 2016 19:04:23 GMT
Overall, both have done really well.
Surely it's not that difficult to understand.
There have been parts for both of them that were pretty poor but that happens in football and they have been outweighed by the good parts.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 22, 2016 19:06:30 GMT
With the money spent what do you expect exactly? Top 4? Europe? We've got the exact same problems as most other clubs in the league. A Cup Final and a European adventure perhaps, I seem to remember we did both not that long ago And we got within a penalty kick of another. So you're saying it's unacceptable that in his 3 seasons Hughes hasn't reached a Cup Final, despite us being in 2 (TWO) in 153 years!!!!!! Tough crowd.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 22, 2016 19:13:36 GMT
Hughes actually inherited a dispirited bunch that had won just 22% of their league games since the start of 2012 and had won three times in five months. He hasn't spent more money. We've scored a fair few of our goals and created chances from set pieces this season. Hughes has done a good job but he has wasted more money than Pulis. Imbula, Joselu and Shaq for example have all failed to live up to expectations in varying ways. Why is it so difficult for people to accept that Tony Pulis and Peter Coates did a fantastic job for this football club? Why do people need to constantly berate one of the most successful managers in our history? Yeah the last few months were shit but boo hoo, it's better to be shit for half a season in the top flight than shit in League one which was where we heading before the bloke took over. Why have you chosen my post as the one to quote to go on your standard tirade? Pulis did a magnificent job and is one of the club's best ever managers. He lost the plot and was rightly sacked. I was responding to Pasa's post.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 22, 2016 19:14:04 GMT
A Cup Final and a European adventure perhaps, I seem to remember we did both not that long ago And we got within a penalty kick of another. So you're saying it's unacceptable that in his 3 seasons Hughes hasn't reached a Cup Final, despite us being in 2 (TWO) in 153 years!!!!!! Tough crowd. Did I say it was unaceceptable ?
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Post by ryan4england on Nov 22, 2016 19:17:27 GMT
A Cup Final and a European adventure perhaps, I seem to remember we did both not that long ago And we got within a penalty kick of another. So you're saying it's unacceptable that in his 3 seasons Hughes hasn't reached a Cup Final, despite us being in 2 (TWO) in 153 years!!!!!! Tough crowd. Not at all but atm for me organisation, phyical but fair, hard working, energetic fast tempo football with quick direct wingers and honest pros that would play through a knock if needed sounds appealing. I may be in the minority but this slow, none contact, poor mans arsenal kind of football is not the exciting attacking football we were told about. Its all fur coat & no knickers
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 22, 2016 19:19:57 GMT
And we got within a penalty kick of another. So you're saying it's unacceptable that in his 3 seasons Hughes hasn't reached a Cup Final, despite us being in 2 (TWO) in 153 years!!!!!! Tough crowd. Not at all but atm for me organisation, phyical but fair, hard working, energetic fast tempo football with quick direct wingers and honest pros that would play through a knock if needed sounds appealing. I may be in the minority but this slow, none contact, poor mans arsenal kind of football is not the exciting attacking football we were told about. Its all fur coat & no knickers How many times did we actually play fast tempo football with quick direct wingers? That was us under Pulis at his best. It wasn't the norm - even in the good times there was often a Cresswell/Delap figure out wide.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 22, 2016 19:20:17 GMT
And we got within a penalty kick of another. So you're saying it's unacceptable that in his 3 seasons Hughes hasn't reached a Cup Final, despite us being in 2 (TWO) in 153 years!!!!!! Tough crowd. Not at all but atm for me organisation, phyical but fair, hard working, energetic fast tempo football with quick direct wingers and honest pros that would play through a knock if needed sounds appealing. I may be in the minority but this slow, none contact, poor mans arsenal kind of football is not the exciting attacking football we were told about. Its all fur coat & no knickers But it has produced better results. We were told for 10 years (TEN) that results were the only thing that was important. You and your ilk are walking contradictions. We've dismantled top teams, footballed them off the park under Hughes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 19:20:58 GMT
...our form from February was diabolical and equally as bad as the dross served up by Pulis in his final season... Our form in March would have seen us in the Champions League if it had been repeated throughout the season. Our end of season when we were without Johnson, Butland and with an out of sorts Shawcross was bad. There's no denying it, but for some reason, the length of that bad spell is consistently exaggerated on here.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 19:31:04 GMT
Overall, both have done really well. Surely it's not that difficult to understand. There have been parts for both of them that were pretty poor but that happens in football and they have been outweighed by the good parts. Exactly, Pulis should be remembered as a hero for getting us promoted, staying up when everyone said we would be down with the fewest points in history, getting to the final of the fa cup, Europe... Hughes has taken us to another level, both great for the club
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 22, 2016 19:46:36 GMT
Not at all but atm for me organisation, phyical but fair, hard working, energetic fast tempo football with quick direct wingers and honest pros that would play through a knock if needed sounds appealing. I may be in the minority but this slow, none contact, poor mans arsenal kind of football is not the exciting attacking football we were told about. Its all fur coat & no knickers How many times did we actually play fast tempo football with quick direct wingers? That was us under Pulis at his best. It wasn't the norm - even in the good times there was often a Cresswell/Delap figure out wide. Now we have Walters
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 22, 2016 19:49:56 GMT
How many times did we actually play fast tempo football with quick direct wingers? That was us under Pulis at his best. It wasn't the norm - even in the good times there was often a Cresswell/Delap figure out wide. Now we have Walters Not as first choice we don't.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 22, 2016 19:51:18 GMT
...our form from February was diabolical and equally as bad as the dross served up by Pulis in his final season... Our form in March would have seen us in the Champions League if it had been repeated throughout the season. Our end of season when we were without Johnson, Butland and with an out of sorts Shawcross was bad. There's no denying it, but for some reason, the length of that bad spell is consistently exaggerated on here. That spell continued into pre season and into the start of this season, yes we have had more than our fair share of injuries but the squad as whole was not and still is not balanced or strong enough, we have spent £18 m on one player who needs to be assessed before Hughes dares to start him, surley that money should have been spent strengthening the obvious weak areas we all saw last season.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 22, 2016 19:52:41 GMT
Now we have Walters Not as first choice we don't. Diuof perhaps, or sometimes Shaq if he is fit, Sohbi appears to have been frozen out.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 22, 2016 19:54:38 GMT
Not as first choice we don't. Diuof perhaps, or sometimes Shaq if he is fit, Sohbi appears to have been frozen out. Our first choice wingers are Arnautovic and Shaqiri. We should have signed another one in the summer as well as Sobhi if we weren't prepared to use Sobhi from the off, but let's not bend the truth because the reality doesn't suit our argument.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 22, 2016 20:00:49 GMT
Diuof perhaps, or sometimes Shaq if he is fit, Sohbi appears to have been frozen out. Our first choice wingers are Arnautovic and Shaqiri. We should have signed another one in the summer as well as Sobhi if we weren't prepared to use Sobhi from the off, but let's not bend the truth because the reality doesn't suit our argument. And when we had Ringtone and Pennant as our first choice wingers we did not see Cresswell or Rory on the wing either, though we did moan our balls off when Pulis played SJW there, and four seasons later we are still seeing Walters on the wing is that acceptable ?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Nov 22, 2016 20:01:34 GMT
Pulis did a fantastic job but the Club and its ambitions outgrew him.
Hughes is doing a reasonable job but in my opinion the jury is still out (and he should be given more time to see if progress matches ambition). It should be about continuous incremental improvements, but one mans incremental improvement is another's failure to achieve more!
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 22, 2016 20:03:51 GMT
Our first choice wingers are Arnautovic and Shaqiri. We should have signed another one in the summer as well as Sobhi if we weren't prepared to use Sobhi from the off, but let's not bend the truth because the reality doesn't suit our argument. And when we had Ringtone and Pennant as our first choice wingers we did not see Cresswell or Rory on the wing either, though we did moan our balls off when Pulis played SJW there, and four seasons later we are still seeing Walters on the wing is that acceptable ? We did for one season - then instead of Pennant we had Shotton/Kightly/Walters etc. I'd rather not see Walters out wing and have a direct alternative to him, but it isn't true to say 'now we have Walters' in comparison to Cresswell/Della because Walters isn't first choice.
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Post by no1972 on Nov 22, 2016 20:03:51 GMT
I agree his brand can sometimes get Pepole down,but how was it his brand doubled our gates,or are 50% of our support just hear because we are in the Prem.The last 18 months of his leadership were not pretty at times and it was the right time for him to depart.The present manager has had good spells but he took over a team that had Premiership know how,its own training ground and a solid financial base will a core support of around 20000.It is know his fourth season and the match day squad still has a large number of players from the last manager.I think this season is a make or break season for a number of fans and the club.We have had top halve finishes but I think we should of done better ,the premership the past two seasons as been poor.This season the top teams have got there act together,so we need to beat the WBA and Bournmouths of this world to finish in the top halve,I think we will finish around 12-14 due to us not having a goal scorer.The modern day supporter will get boarded if we stay mid table and don't win a cup.Me personally think we have punched above our level and it's very hard to keep them levels up.But is that good engouh for the premership only supporter which many clubs have. If it was so easy for Hughes with the team he inherited why could Pulis never finish top half? I was trying to put a balanced view,yes you are correct Pullis did not finish in the top halve but coming from the championship his starting point was lower,plus a cup final .This his MH fourth season and personally I think he is Loseing it like Pullis did.The squad his totally unblanced.Even Pullis had pace on the wings,our wingmen are static and are more instrested in party tricks,but that's modern football.I think January will be massive on who he unloads if any and who come in if any.A this moment we want some workers to allow the flair players to play,as you can remember JM doing all the leg work for Huddy.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 22, 2016 20:06:26 GMT
If it was so easy for Hughes with the team he inherited why could Pulis never finish top half? I was trying to put a balanced view,yes you are correct Pullis did not finish in the top halve but coming from the championship his starting point was lower,plus a cup final .This his MH fourth season and personally I think he is Loseing it like Pullis did.The squad his totally unblanced.Even Pullis had pace on the wings,our wingmen are static and are more instrested in party tricks,but that's modern football.I think January will be massive on who he unloads if any and who come in if any.A this moment we want some workers to allow the flair players to play,as you can remember JM doing all the leg work for Huddy. Pulis did marvellously but the idea Hughes walked into a strong, secure club and had it easy is a complete fallacy. TP didn't always have pace on the wings. Lack of pace was actually one of the biggest problems throughout TP's era, especially when he decided Fuller wasn't fit for purpose and Pennant started acting up.
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Post by no1972 on Nov 22, 2016 20:15:40 GMT
I was trying to put a balanced view,yes you are correct Pullis did not finish in the top halve but coming from the championship his starting point was lower,plus a cup final .This his MH fourth season and personally I think he is Loseing it like Pullis did.The squad his totally unblanced.Even Pullis had pace on the wings,our wingmen are static and are more instrested in party tricks,but that's modern football.I think January will be massive on who he unloads if any and who come in if any.A this moment we want some workers to allow the flair players to play,as you can remember JM doing all the leg work for Huddy. Pulis did marvellously but the idea Hughes walked into a strong, secure club and had it easy is a complete fallacy. TP didn't always have pace on the wings. Lack of pace was actually one of the biggest problems throughout TP's era, especially when he decided Fuller wasn't fit for purpose and Pennant started acting up. The solid club and team were quotes from MH,who said you very rarely get a job were everything is in place,Pennant played up for MH if my memory is right was it not the penalty he gave away against Everton finish him,and if you went the open night with Fuller in the Waddo suite he told everyone he was gone,and he dropped down a league and could not do it.I if you remember when Pullis signed him he got loads of bollocks for signing a croc ,how much football fans know leave it to the pros who work with the players everyday.
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