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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Nov 20, 2016 22:43:15 GMT
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Post by murphthesurf on Nov 20, 2016 22:46:19 GMT
Yep. Skating....... thin ice.......methinks! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 23:35:26 GMT
Yep. Skating....... thin ice.......methinks! I hope it breaks  |
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Post by Northy on Nov 21, 2016 6:21:06 GMT
bbc news last night mentioned that word 'polls'
Recent polls show she has 55% of the vote, yes, as polls have shown to be really really accurate lately
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 6:32:56 GMT
We met some friendly Germans (yes I know !) on holiday in Crete and they told us that although a lot of Germans aren't happy with Merkel over immigration and some other internal policies there doesn't seem to be an opposition party who can gain enough support from the right and the left to beat her in an election. It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out.
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Post by Mendicant on Nov 21, 2016 7:16:28 GMT
We met some friendly Germans (yes I know !) on holiday in Crete and they told us that although a lot of Germans aren't happy with Merkel over immigration and some other internal policies there doesn't seem to be an opposition party who can gain enough support from the right and the left to beat her in an election. It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out. That's it in a nutshell, I think many German people see it that way. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 7:53:57 GMT
Also coupled with the fact that it is a Grand Coalition which has worked well for them over the last few decades, what will be interesting though will be 2 things, Turnout, I think will be low, people are just so pissed off, that's why Clinton lost, it wasn't so much that Trump took her voters, it was more that her ( Democrats) voters stayed at home. Will also be interesting to see if the Right Wing gain in the polls over last term...There is a gradual shift to the Right, all across Europe and indeed what we saw in USA...MArine Le Pen in France is being taken very seriously...
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 21, 2016 8:01:44 GMT
Also coupled with the fact that it is a Grand Coalition which has worked well for them over the last few decades, what will be interesting though will be 2 things, Turnout, I think will be low, people are just so pissed off, that's why Clinton lost, it wasn't so much that Trump took her voters, it was more that her ( Democrats) voters stayed at home. Will also be interesting to see if the Right Wing gain in the polls over last term...There is a gradual shift to the Right, all across Europe and indeed what we saw in USA...MArine Le Pen in France is being taken very seriously... The indigenous population of many EU countries have had enough of mass uncontrolled immigration, the failure of the EU dictatorship to address this is forcing them to look at other options hence the rising popularity of the right wing. |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 21, 2016 8:31:32 GMT
Also coupled with the fact that it is a Grand Coalition which has worked well for them over the last few decades, what will be interesting though will be 2 things, Turnout, I think will be low, people are just so pissed off, that's why Clinton lost, it wasn't so much that Trump took her voters, it was more that her ( Democrats) voters stayed at home. Will also be interesting to see if the Right Wing gain in the polls over last term...There is a gradual shift to the Right, all across Europe and indeed what we saw in USA...MArine Le Pen in France is being taken very seriously... But Clinton still received over 1 million more votes than Trump, similar to our system of democracy. UKIP received 3.8 million votes for one parliamentary seat. SNP received 1.4 million votes but have over 50 seats in parliament. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 9:58:25 GMT
Also coupled with the fact that it is a Grand Coalition which has worked well for them over the last few decades, what will be interesting though will be 2 things, Turnout, I think will be low, people are just so pissed off, that's why Clinton lost, it wasn't so much that Trump took her voters, it was more that her ( Democrats) voters stayed at home. Will also be interesting to see if the Right Wing gain in the polls over last term...There is a gradual shift to the Right, all across Europe and indeed what we saw in USA...MArine Le Pen in France is being taken very seriously... The indigenous population of many EU countries have had enough of mass uncontrolled immigration, the failure of the EU dictatorship to address this is forcing them to look at other options hence the rising popularity of the right wing. Yes she did, but had rank and file Democrats turned out in the so called swing states she'd have won, the fact is they didn't, as they are just pissed off with corruption, lies, and deceit. Like I said, Trump didn't win the election, Hillary lost it...Bernie Sanders would have won at a canter. |
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Post by Mendicant on Nov 21, 2016 10:03:17 GMT
Also coupled with the fact that it is a Grand Coalition which has worked well for them over the last few decades, what will be interesting though will be 2 things, Turnout, I think will be low, people are just so pissed off, that's why Clinton lost, it wasn't so much that Trump took her voters, it was more that her ( Democrats) voters stayed at home. Will also be interesting to see if the Right Wing gain in the polls over last term...There is a gradual shift to the Right, all across Europe and indeed what we saw in USA...MArine Le Pen in France is being taken very seriously... But Clinton still received over 1 million more votes than Trump, similar to our system of democracy. UKIP received 3.8 million votes for one parliamentary seat. SNP received 1.4 million votes but have over 50 seats in parliament. With the electoral college system it can be pointless for a candidate to campaign outside of swing states. For this reason Republicans avoid California and this racks up a ton of total votes for the Democrats. It works the other way round in other states of course but nowhere as big as California. Presidential candidates play the system and compete for the votes where it matters in the electoral college so the overall vote is slightly (though not totally) misleading. |
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Post by murphthesurf on Nov 21, 2016 10:54:31 GMT
The indigenous population of many EU countries have had enough of mass uncontrolled immigration, the failure of the EU dictatorship to address this is forcing them to look at other options hence the rising popularity of the right wing. Yes she did, but had rank and file Democrats turned out in the so called swing states she'd have won, the fact is they didn't, as they are just pissed off with corruption, lies, and deceit. Like I said, Trump didn't win the election, Hillary lost it...Bernie Sanders would have won at a canter. I think that's right, Shangers. When I xd emails with an American friend the day after DT was elected to say that we Brits couldn't understand how anyone with no political background could possibly reach such a post she said exactly what you've put above. Personally, I think it's 'Gawd 'elp us' all round.  |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Nov 21, 2016 11:00:35 GMT
The indigenous population of many EU countries have had enough of mass uncontrolled immigration, the failure of the EU dictatorship to address this is forcing them to look at other options hence the rising popularity of the right wing. Yes she did, but had rank and file Democrats turned out in the so called swing states she'd have won, the fact is they didn't, as they are just pissed off with corruption, lies, and deceit. Like I said, Trump didn't win the election, Hillary lost it...Bernie Sanders would have won at a canter. Some of what you post 'shanghaipotter' is correct? I have to say that as you've come up with the joke of the year re:my viagra joke I've got to be nice to you? Interestingly, slightly different things in different states affected the outcome:the Republican restriction of early voting in North Carolina suppressed black turnout i.e. no Souls to the polls, Sunday voting; black turnout was down in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania;millennial vote down in Wisconsin but new strict I.D. Republican rules took 300,000 voters off the register; poor turnout in predominantly Democratic Detroit, Michigan. I don't agree that somehow the new , powerful 'alt-right' in America would have let Sanders off the hook as they had an attack document 6 inches thick! And why wouldn't they? Sanders is principally 1.senile 2. a socialist(sim. to those commies, you know) 3. a long standing senator and therefore D.C. insider. Of course, 'shangaipotter' you say voters were turned off by Hillary's lies, corruption. Yet, they still voted for someone who's lost several legal cases for racial discrimination and fraud. The fact checkers consistently showed Trump to be far worse liar than Clinton. But, as ever, the right-wing will always polish their own turd of a candidate and and make out the other hamburger of a candidate is a U.S. chain U.K. sewage works methane product(I know the co. has changed this now!).I never let right wing propaganda go unchallenged because it is exactly that propaganda. Incidentally, you should have seen the mobile phone messages Democratic voters got telling they could vote by text(which, of course they could not). All dressed up as though it was an official Hillary communication. Typical of the corruption you say voters are supposed to be tired of? |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Nov 21, 2016 11:05:21 GMT
Fourth term? The Fourth Reich?
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Nov 21, 2016 11:19:30 GMT
I have a couple of politically astute American friends, both of them are Democrats, one of them a rabid anti Republican. Neither of them can stand Hillary, but both of them believe that Bernie would have got slaughtered by Trump.
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Post by Mendicant on Nov 21, 2016 11:42:29 GMT
Fourth term? The Fourth Reich? Hillary couldn't stand for 4 minutes nevermind 4 terms. What's up with her? Hers poolly I reckon. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 21, 2016 12:25:27 GMT
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Nov 21, 2016 12:41:53 GMT
Mmmm.... talking to family and friends, there are a lot of unhappy people with Merkel. Her statement of intent to ensure that all immigrants were more than welcome however were to stand and abide with German culture and values including German Christian values has been eroded and is not seen in day to day life. Having >1 million people arriving in the country per year is going to have an adverse effect, despite what people think or try to portray.This is especially so in smaller towns like Bunde where the "feel" of the town has changed drastically over the last few years. Many people will not notice this in larger cities etc (such as Dusseldorf, Dortmund etc) as migration can be absorbed much easier. Plus, this is much more obvious in Eastern areas of Germany who have taken the brunt of arrivals.
I have feeling there is a silent majority who will not say they are against what they will vote for (for fear of reprisals) and a Trump style win against the polls may be on the cards. Do not discount the right wing influence on voters in the East..... And if the SPD and Die Grunen get their act together, Merkel ill be out.
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Post by felonious on Nov 21, 2016 12:56:18 GMT
Mmmm.... talking to family and friends, there are a lot of unhappy people with Merkel. Her statement of intent to ensure that all immigrants were more than welcome however were to stand and abide with German culture and values including German Christian values has been eroded and is not seen in day to day life. Having >1 million people arriving in the country per year is going to have an adverse effect, despite what people think or try to portray.This is especially so in smaller towns like Bunde where the "feel" of the town has changed drastically over the last few years. Many people will not notice this in larger cities etc (such as Dusseldorf, Dortmund etc) as migration can be absorbed much easier. Plus, this is much more obvious in Eastern areas of Germany who have taken the brunt of arrivals. I have feeling there is a silent majority who will not say they are against what they will vote for (for fear of reprisals) and a Trump style win against the polls may be on the cards. Do not discount the right wing influence on voters in the East..... And if the SPD and Die Grunen get their act together, Merkel ill be out. Out of interest what is the general view on Turkey being admitted to the EU? |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Nov 21, 2016 13:58:28 GMT
Morning 'rog'! Most British people don't realise the onus is on the individual to register to vote. A huge or yuge percentage of the voting age population don't register and therefore can't vote. So 56% is very good going for the U.S.A.. Indeed, Hillary's lead is ca. 1.6% in the popular vote and still growing! Only conservatives know how to rig elections 'rog'! |
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Post by Northy on Nov 21, 2016 18:40:59 GMT
We met some friendly Germans (yes I know !) on holiday in Crete and they told us that although a lot of Germans aren't happy with Merkel over immigration and some other internal policies there doesn't seem to be an opposition party who can gain enough support from the right and the left to beat her in an election. It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out. i got pissed with a few in the fan zone in Hamburg, they say they cant be seen to be intolerant as their past history will be brought back up |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 19:05:38 GMT
We met some friendly Germans (yes I know !) on holiday in Crete and they told us that although a lot of Germans aren't happy with Merkel over immigration and some other internal policies there doesn't seem to be an opposition party who can gain enough support from the right and the left to beat her in an election. It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out. i got pissed with a few in the fan zone in Hamburg, they say they cant be seen to be intolerant as their past history will be brought back up I got exactly the same response from the ones that we met, they said that if they raised immigration as a major problem they were worried that they would be called Nazis. I have to say the ones we met were really nice, level headed folks and have even invited us to go over and stay with them at their place just outside Stuttgart. Really changed my perception of the Germans and how they were worried that their past would still be held against them. |
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Post by Northy on Nov 21, 2016 20:00:20 GMT
i got pissed with a few in the fan zone in Hamburg, they say they cant be seen to be intolerant as their past history will be brought back up I got exactly the same response from the ones that we met, they said that if they raised immigration as a major problem they were worried that they would be called Nazis. I have to say the ones we met were really nice, level headed folks and have even invited us to go over and stay with them at their place just outside Stuttgart. Really changed my perception of the Germans and how they were worried that their past would still be held against them. and no doubt the lefties will take advantage of this opportunity. All the ones I met in Cologne and Hamburg were nice, also the lass I met in Palma Nova in 84  |
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Post by manmarking on Nov 21, 2016 22:28:15 GMT
Also coupled with the fact that it is a Grand Coalition which has worked well for them over the last few decades, what will be interesting though will be 2 things, Turnout, I think will be low, people are just so pissed off, that's why Clinton lost, it wasn't so much that Trump took her voters, it was more that her ( Democrats) voters stayed at home. Will also be interesting to see if the Right Wing gain in the polls over last term...There is a gradual shift to the Right, all across Europe and indeed what we saw in USA...MArine Le Pen in France is being taken very seriously... The indigenous population of many EU countries have had enough of mass uncontrolled immigration, the failure of the EU dictatorship to address this is forcing them to look at other options hence the rising popularity of the right wing. How do you define "indigenous" carps? Are you saying that us poor whites are under threat like the native Americans or the aborigines? What a load of horseshit  |
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