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Post by stokieben on Nov 18, 2016 10:29:45 GMT
Is it not the fact that he was on England duty that some people have taken the issue with? I have no interest in the England football team, I'll be the first to admit it, and haven't for a long time, but things like this aren't going to bring those who have fallen out of love with the national side back to being interested again
Those involved in the England team get widely slated for 'not caring', rightly or wrongly, and have been ridiculed on here many times for one thing or another
People obviously still have an issue with the Iceland performance, it has already been mentioned in the thread, so goodwill with the team is pretty much flat on it's arse
Surely its about having a bit of respect?
I find it funny how the team get slated for not caring, then when members of the team are caught out getting pissed, (judging by the pictures Rooney looked hammered), the night after a game, whilst they are still in camp, and even if they know they aren't going to be involved in the next game, some of the players he was out with arguably would have been, its not very clever is it?
You can't moan that the players don't care, then defend them when they are caught getting pissed when in camp
It's just not very professional
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Post by crownmeking on Nov 18, 2016 10:53:16 GMT
Is it not the fact that he was on England duty that some people have taken the issue with? I have no interest in the England football team, I'll be the first to admit it, and haven't for a long time, but things like this aren't going to bring those who have fallen out of love with the national side back to being interested again Those involved in the England team get widely slated for 'not caring', rightly or wrongly, and have been ridiculed on here many times for one thing or another People obviously still have an issue with the Iceland performance, it has already been mentioned in the thread, so goodwill with the team is pretty much flat on it's arse Surely its about having a bit of respect? I find it funny how the team get slated for not caring, then when members of the team are caught out getting pissed, (judging by the pictures Rooney looked hammered), the night after a game, whilst they are still in camp, and even if they know they aren't going to be involved in the next game, some of the players he was out with arguably would have been, its not very clever is it? You can't moan that the players don't care, then defend them when they are caught getting pissed when in camp It's just not very professional The key words in your post are "The night AFTER the game". If he was caught getting pissed before the game I would understand, but the night after? Come on... He looked pissed in pictures and that is it, he didn't go crazy or get out of line.
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Post by stokieben on Nov 18, 2016 11:08:48 GMT
Is it not the fact that he was on England duty that some people have taken the issue with? I have no interest in the England football team, I'll be the first to admit it, and haven't for a long time, but things like this aren't going to bring those who have fallen out of love with the national side back to being interested again Those involved in the England team get widely slated for 'not caring', rightly or wrongly, and have been ridiculed on here many times for one thing or another People obviously still have an issue with the Iceland performance, it has already been mentioned in the thread, so goodwill with the team is pretty much flat on it's arse Surely its about having a bit of respect? I find it funny how the team get slated for not caring, then when members of the team are caught out getting pissed, (judging by the pictures Rooney looked hammered), the night after a game, whilst they are still in camp, and even if they know they aren't going to be involved in the next game, some of the players he was out with arguably would have been, its not very clever is it? You can't moan that the players don't care, then defend them when they are caught getting pissed when in camp It's just not very professional The key words in your post are "The night AFTER the game". If he was caught getting pissed before the game I would understand, but the night after? Come on... He looked pissed in pictures and that is it, he didn't go crazy or get out of line. No he didn't, he did what everybody has done at some point in their life and gone for a few beers with his mates after 'work' But the fact he's captain, wrongly so in my opinion but non the less, and he will still be involved in the squad when they have a game coming up against Spain, surely a bit of forethought might help. If he knew he wasn't going to be involved in the Spain game because he's injured, it doesn't look good that he goes out and gets pissed. As much as the Spain game was a friendly, and they didn't put out a full strength side, in terms of us actually beating teams who are on our level or higher, and not second or third rate nations like Lithuania and Malta, we should be preparing for this game as a meaningful game. The players need to earn a bit of respect back from the fans, and this kind of thing doesn't earn respect, certainly not mine Imagine you phoning into work today saying you can't go in on Monday because you'll be unfit for work, then getting snapped out tonight drinking. Would you expect your boss to be happy about it?
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 18, 2016 11:16:10 GMT
That's not my point though. If he'd managed himself as well as Ronaldo has, IMO, he would have enjoyed a far more successful career. Ronaldo has extracted every last ounce from his ability by achieving incredible levels of fitness. Wayne has had a good career, but not the great one it could have been. Wayne Rooney has had an absolutely brilliant career. Ronaldo as a player is in a completely different league to Wayne Rooney so it's a totally unfair comparison. Ronaldo will go down as one of the greatest players to have played the game. Wayne Rooney whilst really talented is nowhere near that level and never was. Rooney was brilliant up to his late twenties. Then he entered a slow decline. Ronaldo has got better and better. I can't agree that has nothing to do with fitness, conditioning and lifestyle.
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Post by roostershair on Nov 18, 2016 12:25:51 GMT
At least he wasn't granny grabbing
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 13:05:14 GMT
Media are shitheads. First time I've ever felt the need to defend a Man U player in my life! Off duty footballer shuns nightclub adventure, stays in hotel and has a few beers at wedding shocker. The shame! What will Colleen say! And gets caught shagging the Brides Nan...
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Post by crownmeking on Nov 18, 2016 13:11:50 GMT
The key words in your post are "The night AFTER the game". If he was caught getting pissed before the game I would understand, but the night after? Come on... He looked pissed in pictures and that is it, he didn't go crazy or get out of line. No he didn't, he did what everybody has done at some point in their life and gone for a few beers with his mates after 'work' But the fact he's captain, wrongly so in my opinion but non the less, and he will still be involved in the squad when they have a game coming up against Spain, surely a bit of forethought might help. If he knew he wasn't going to be involved in the Spain game because he's injured, it doesn't look good that he goes out and gets pissed. As much as the Spain game was a friendly, and they didn't put out a full strength side, in terms of us actually beating teams who are on our level or higher, and not second or third rate nations like Lithuania and Malta, we should be preparing for this game as a meaningful game. The players need to earn a bit of respect back from the fans, and this kind of thing doesn't earn respect, certainly not mine Imagine you phoning into work today saying you can't go in on Monday because you'll be unfit for work, then getting snapped out tonight drinking. Would you expect your boss to be happy about it? I think there is a big difference in me phoning in work sick and then getting caught out on the piss, and Rooney having a drink knowing that he wasn't going to be playing in the next game a few days later because he wasn't fit. It's not like he lied about being unfit and then got caught having a drink when he should of been in work. These players are normal guys, they are allowed to do normal things. He didn't break the law, abuse anyone or bring his club or country into disrepute. He had a drink at a wedding, you know, like most people do. Had it been the night before a game or had he got drunk and got into a fight or abused someone I would agree with the criticism.
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Post by werrington on Nov 18, 2016 13:19:46 GMT
The day is soon coming when Rooney will say to himself it really isn't worth it
He's done nothing wrong but forever gets crucified....like him or not he's been a credit to the national side and doesn't deserve the abuse he gets
Tell them to fuck off and walk away would be my advice
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Nov 18, 2016 13:22:28 GMT
No he didn't, he did what everybody has done at some point in their life and gone for a few beers with his mates after 'work' But the fact he's captain, wrongly so in my opinion but non the less, and he will still be involved in the squad when they have a game coming up against Spain, surely a bit of forethought might help. If he knew he wasn't going to be involved in the Spain game because he's injured, it doesn't look good that he goes out and gets pissed. As much as the Spain game was a friendly, and they didn't put out a full strength side, in terms of us actually beating teams who are on our level or higher, and not second or third rate nations like Lithuania and Malta, we should be preparing for this game as a meaningful game. The players need to earn a bit of respect back from the fans, and this kind of thing doesn't earn respect, certainly not mine Imagine you phoning into work today saying you can't go in on Monday because you'll be unfit for work, then getting snapped out tonight drinking. Would you expect your boss to be happy about it? I think there is a big difference in me phoning in work sick and then getting caught out on the piss, and Rooney having a drink knowing that he wasn't going to be playing in the next game a few days later because he wasn't fit. It's not like he lied about being unfit and then got caught having a drink when he should of been in work. These players are normal guys, they are allowed to do normal things. He didn't break the law, abuse anyone or bring his club or country into disrepute. He had a drink at a wedding, you know, like most people do. Had it been the night before a game or had he got drunk and got into a fight or abused someone I would agree with the criticism. yep you're right and the 2 situations are a ludicrous comparison anyway. Rooney didn't "ring in sick", he was told by Southgate he wouldn't be playing in the Spain game regardless of any injury BEFORE he went out drinking. if there is a comparison with us "normal" workers, then to be accurate it should be: "Imagine you being told by your boss you don't need to come in to work today then going out drinking. Would you expect your boss to be happy about it?"...in that situation, i wouldn't expect my boss to give a flying fuck as it was him that told me i didn't have to work. Coincidentally, Southgate has also said he doesn't give a flying fuck that Rooney went out drinking as a result. Complete non-story for the sake of page filling, proved by the fact that "several" other players went out clubbing (rather than drinking in the hotel as Rooney did) yet the media aren't focussing on a single one of them for no other reason than they're less famous than Rooney.
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Post by Robo10 on Nov 18, 2016 13:58:01 GMT
Was having a laugh in the barbers just, my chap says he should have just turned up wearing his pants and a kebab stained tshirt, told them to fuck off, and advised he was off to Macca Ds for a big breakfast
A bit like how most Sunday footballers turn up most weeks :-)
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Post by stokieben on Nov 18, 2016 14:59:10 GMT
I think there is a big difference in me phoning in work sick and then getting caught out on the piss, and Rooney having a drink knowing that he wasn't going to be playing in the next game a few days later because he wasn't fit. It's not like he lied about being unfit and then got caught having a drink when he should of been in work. These players are normal guys, they are allowed to do normal things. He didn't break the law, abuse anyone or bring his club or country into disrepute. He had a drink at a wedding, you know, like most people do. Had it been the night before a game or had he got drunk and got into a fight or abused someone I would agree with the criticism. yep you're right and the 2 situations are a ludicrous comparison anyway. Rooney didn't "ring in sick", he was told by Southgate he wouldn't be playing in the Spain game regardless of any injury BEFORE he went out drinking. if there is a comparison with us "normal" workers, then to be accurate it should be: "Imagine you being told by your boss you don't need to come in to work today then going out drinking. Would you expect your boss to be happy about it?"...in that situation, i wouldn't expect my boss to give a flying fuck as it was him that told me I didn't have to work. Coincidentally, Southgate has also said he doesn't give a flying fuck that Rooney went out drinking as a result. Complete non-story for the sake of page filling, proved by the fact that "several" other players went out clubbing (rather than drinking in the hotel as Rooney did) yet the media aren't focussing on a single one of them for no other reason than they're less famous than Rooney. Ok, maybe the example I used wasnt right, and I didn't know Southgate had told him he wasn't playing, as I said earlier, I dont really pay attention? Maybe Southgate doesn't give a shit, maybe this is where we are going wrong. He doesn't care that the captain of his squad was out getting pissed when his squad are together Growing up I'm pretty sure most of us would have dreamed of being England captain, unfortunately for me I realized at an early age a kick about in the park is as far as I would ever get. The point I was merely trying to make is that whilst the England captain is away on England duty, maybe he should have a bit more respect for the position he is in If he had been released from the squad or not picked, he can go and do what ever the fuck he wants, but when he's with the squad he should behave like a captain of a national team, so I understand why some people have taken issue with it
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Nov 18, 2016 15:07:10 GMT
yep you're right and the 2 situations are a ludicrous comparison anyway. Rooney didn't "ring in sick", he was told by Southgate he wouldn't be playing in the Spain game regardless of any injury BEFORE he went out drinking. if there is a comparison with us "normal" workers, then to be accurate it should be: "Imagine you being told by your boss you don't need to come in to work today then going out drinking. Would you expect your boss to be happy about it?"...in that situation, i wouldn't expect my boss to give a flying fuck as it was him that told me I didn't have to work. Coincidentally, Southgate has also said he doesn't give a flying fuck that Rooney went out drinking as a result. Complete non-story for the sake of page filling, proved by the fact that "several" other players went out clubbing (rather than drinking in the hotel as Rooney did) yet the media aren't focussing on a single one of them for no other reason than they're less famous than Rooney. Ok, maybe the example I used wasnt right, and I didn't know Southgate had told him he wasn't playing, as I said earlier, I dont really pay attention? Maybe Southgate doesn't give a shit, maybe this is where we are going wrong. He doesn't care that the captain of his squad was out getting pissed when his squad are together Growing up I'm pretty sure most of us would have dreamed of being England captain, unfortunately for me I realized at an early age a kick about in the park is as far as I would ever get. The point I was merely trying to make is that whilst the England captain is away on England duty, maybe he should have a bit more respect for the position he is in If he had been released from the squad or not picked, he can go and do what ever the fuck he wants, but when he's with the squad he should behave like a captain of a national team, so I understand why some people have taken issue with it he was released from the squad first thing Monday morning i.e. the first day back in training after the Scotland game. he was told by Southgate after the scotland game that he wouldn't play in the Spain friendly. in other words, that was a "Weekend off" so he can do what he pleases as long as it's within the law as far as i'm concerned. this whole thing about footballers being "role models" went out in about 1990 when everyone suddenly realised they just weren't anymore. role models aren't a position, they're things that are chosen by individuals who happen to like them. these players don't grow up thinking "I want to be a role model when i grow up" they just want to play footy. if a few people do look up to them and treat them as role models then that's that individuals choice rather than a position EVERY player should expect to portray and fulfill. if we're going to say they're role models simply because they're famous then that should apply to literally every single person on the planet in the public eye as any of them could quite conceivably be chosen as a role model by someone. as that's the case, then why don't the media hammer most popstars, actors, actresses etc. when they get drunk on a night off and only focus on specific individuals within that field? Keith Richards is actively celebrated and loved by the media specifically BECAUSE of his drink and drug history over the years, he's practically a national treasure to the tabloids for doing the same as they hammer people like Gascoigne for. no other reason than they single out the most famous ones as it sells more newspapers and rock stars are expected to be like that (because the media built up that portrayal of them) and footballers are expected to be arseholes. therefore, if it's football then the rules change all of a sudden and they single out the most famous ones, nothing else (which is why no-one has even really talked about the other players that went out clubbing; Rooney makes bigger headlines) no problem my end for you having a differing opinion mate, i simply think this "They're role models" idea to be massively outdated and just not true anymore. it's also not a consistent position as if they put a foot out of line off the pitch then suddenly they're arseholes as they should be "role models" and be inspirational even out of work time, if they make comments on political situations/ global news outside of football then all of a sudden they should keep out of it as it's not their area of expertise and they should just concentrate on what they do on the pitch and nothing else. they're role models as and when it suits the media for their financial purposes (i.e. number of paper sales)
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Post by stokieben on Nov 18, 2016 15:19:24 GMT
Ok, maybe the example I used wasnt right, and I didn't know Southgate had told him he wasn't playing, as I said earlier, I dont really pay attention? Maybe Southgate doesn't give a shit, maybe this is where we are going wrong. He doesn't care that the captain of his squad was out getting pissed when his squad are together Growing up I'm pretty sure most of us would have dreamed of being England captain, unfortunately for me I realized at an early age a kick about in the park is as far as I would ever get. The point I was merely trying to make is that whilst the England captain is away on England duty, maybe he should have a bit more respect for the position he is in If he had been released from the squad or not picked, he can go and do what ever the fuck he wants, but when he's with the squad he should behave like a captain of a national team, so I understand why some people have taken issue with it he was released from the squad first thing Monday morning i.e. the first day back in training after the Scotland game. he was told by Southgate after the scotland game that he wouldn't play in the Spain friendly. in other words, that was a "Weekend off" so he can do what he pleases as long as it's within the law as far as i'm concerned. this whole thing about footballers being "role models" went out in about 1990 when everyone suddenly realised they just weren't anymore. role models aren't a position, they're things that are chosen by individuals who happen to like them. these players don't grow up thinking "I want to be a role model when i grow up" they just want to play footy. if a few people do look up to them and treat them as role models then that's that individuals choice rather than a position EVERY player should expect to portray and fulfill. if we're going to say they're role models simply because they're famous then that should apply to literally every single person on the planet in the public eye as any of them could quite conceivably be chosen as a role model by someone. as that's the case, then why don't the media hammer most popstars, actors, actresses etc. when they get drunk on a night off and only focus on specific individuals within that field? Keith Richards is actively celebrated and loved by the media specifically BECAUSE of his drink and drug history over the years, he's practically a national treasure to the tabloids for doing the same as they hammer people like Gascoigne for. no other reason than they single out the most famous ones as it sells more newspapers, nothing else (which is why no-one has even really talked about the other players that went out clubbing; Rooney makes bigger headlines) no problem my end for you having a differing opinion mate, i simply think this "They're role models" idea to be massively outdated and just not true anymore. it's also not a consistent position as if they put a foot out of line off the pitch then suddenly they're arseholes as they should be "role models" and be inspirational even out of work time, if they make comments on political situations/ global news outside of football then all of a sudden they should keep out of it as it's not their area of expertise and they should just concentrate on what they do on the pitch and nothing else. they're role models as and when it suits the media for their financial purposes (i.e. number of paper sales) Don't get me wrong, it has all been a paper selling exercise.. England captain caught smashed out of his tree shocker But as England captain, I would argue he is a still a relevant role model. Whether its the fact they are athletes its more taboo, as you would possibly expect them to look after their bodies more than a rock and roll performer. Like you say, Keith Richards is arguably more famous for his drink and drug exploits than his music, its the first thing that comes to mind when I hear his name, and sadly Gascoigne is now getting to that stage. I'm too young to remember him properly for footballing reasons. With Rooney I just think it's a case of timing and circumstance. If he was playing tomorrow and went out and got smashed after the Arsenal game on a Saturday, no-one would care. It's just whilst with the national squad, he should be a little bit smarter that's all
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Nov 18, 2016 15:31:43 GMT
he was released from the squad first thing Monday morning i.e. the first day back in training after the Scotland game. he was told by Southgate after the scotland game that he wouldn't play in the Spain friendly. in other words, that was a "Weekend off" so he can do what he pleases as long as it's within the law as far as i'm concerned. this whole thing about footballers being "role models" went out in about 1990 when everyone suddenly realised they just weren't anymore. role models aren't a position, they're things that are chosen by individuals who happen to like them. these players don't grow up thinking "I want to be a role model when i grow up" they just want to play footy. if a few people do look up to them and treat them as role models then that's that individuals choice rather than a position EVERY player should expect to portray and fulfill. if we're going to say they're role models simply because they're famous then that should apply to literally every single person on the planet in the public eye as any of them could quite conceivably be chosen as a role model by someone. as that's the case, then why don't the media hammer most popstars, actors, actresses etc. when they get drunk on a night off and only focus on specific individuals within that field? Keith Richards is actively celebrated and loved by the media specifically BECAUSE of his drink and drug history over the years, he's practically a national treasure to the tabloids for doing the same as they hammer people like Gascoigne for. no other reason than they single out the most famous ones as it sells more newspapers, nothing else (which is why no-one has even really talked about the other players that went out clubbing; Rooney makes bigger headlines) no problem my end for you having a differing opinion mate, i simply think this "They're role models" idea to be massively outdated and just not true anymore. it's also not a consistent position as if they put a foot out of line off the pitch then suddenly they're arseholes as they should be "role models" and be inspirational even out of work time, if they make comments on political situations/ global news outside of football then all of a sudden they should keep out of it as it's not their area of expertise and they should just concentrate on what they do on the pitch and nothing else. they're role models as and when it suits the media for their financial purposes (i.e. number of paper sales) Don't get me wrong, it has all been a paper selling exercise.. England captain caught smashed out of his tree shocker But as England captain, I would argue he is a still a relevant role model. Whether its the fact they are athletes its more taboo, as you would possibly expect them to look after their bodies more than a rock and roll performer. Like you say, Keith Richards is arguably more famous for his drink and drug exploits than his music, its the first thing that comes to mind when I hear his name, and sadly Gascoigne is now getting to that stage. I'm too young to remember him properly for footballing reasons. With Rooney I just think it's a case of timing and circumstance. If he was playing tomorrow and went out and got smashed after the Arsenal game on a Saturday, no-one would care. It's just whilst with the national squad, he should be a little bit smarter that's all completely get where you're coming from, just think it's more to do with the public view of the national team and the media dressing it up as something else (i.e the role model shizzle) to justify it. if the england side were brilliant at the moment and the public loved them, then the media would lap it up and talk about how passionate he was for celebrating a great win over the old enemy. because we're shit and most of the country enjoy slating them more at the moment than ever before (especially Rooney), it's just another handy stick to beat them with and they know because of public perception it'll get lapped up. i'd be far more unhappy at the players who went out clubbing (and hadn't been released from the squad) but they're barely even getting a mention. this kind of shows exactly how the media flip flop all over the place and it's usually dependent upon public feeling towards them and how good they are rather than because of any of the virtuous nonsense they claim it to be. they've been doing it for years :
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 22:39:05 GMT
He is a cnut because of who he plays for, Scouse tawt! End of!
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Post by smiler_andy on Nov 18, 2016 23:18:19 GMT
Wayne Rooney has had an absolutely brilliant career. Ronaldo as a player is in a completely different league to Wayne Rooney so it's a totally unfair comparison. Ronaldo will go down as one of the greatest players to have played the game. Wayne Rooney whilst really talented is nowhere near that level and never was. Rooney was brilliant up to his late twenties. Then he entered a slow decline. Ronaldo has got better and better. I can't agree that has nothing to do with fitness, conditioning and lifestyle. I also believe Phelan said the same thing. Ronaldo wanted to improve all the time. Rooney was not as committed and for the past few years has been no where near where he used to be as a player. Work and commitment off the pitch gets the rewards. Rooney for all the talent and skill would have been in the Ronaldo and Messi class now if he had the commitment of those two. www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2354497/Wayne-Rooney-hated-gym-Ronaldo-says-ex-Manchester-United-fitness-coach-Mick-Clegg.html
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 23:27:41 GMT
Now there's talk of him being "sacked" as the England captain... *shakes head with disbelief* Only in the Current Bun
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Post by stokester1989 on Nov 19, 2016 7:50:23 GMT
Im suprised Rooney still plays for England with all the shit he gets.
Our all time goal scorer should be treated like a national hero.
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Post by fulagoals on Nov 19, 2016 10:08:13 GMT
Phew! Tfft, when I saw this thread title I thought it was going to be a question of "would you bring Rooney to Stoke"? . I was a little bit sick in my hands at the very thought!
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