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Post by Waggy on Nov 13, 2016 10:18:23 GMT
On Andrew Marr show , looks like could be going for presidency en le france. I think UKIP up north could steal labours vote. Germans not happy with Merkel, their far right party doing well. Are we heading for a far right movement across the west?
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 13, 2016 10:22:10 GMT
I'm sure it'll be Labours fault
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 10:35:45 GMT
On Andrew Marr show , looks like could be going for presidency en le france. I think UKIP up north could steal labours vote. Germans not happy with Merkel, their far right party doing well. Are we heading for a far right movement across the west? Don't think we would be stupid enough to allow UKIP to run the country. The conservatives will probably get stronger and take more votes from both labour and UKIP. We may have a different vision where the EU is concerned, but we would not go to the extreme lengths America have gone. The fact is if we had a general election now conservatives would win and not UKIP. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 10:40:34 GMT
On Andrew Marr show , looks like could be going for presidency en le france. I think UKIP up north could steal labours vote. Germans not happy with Merkel, their far right party doing well. Are we heading for a far right movement across the west? UKIP is only a far right party in the warped minds of those on the far left and in the minds of those who are ignorant and susceptible to media manipulation. |
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Post by harryburrows on Nov 13, 2016 10:51:04 GMT
Trump has been a registered Democrat for most of his life ,I don't understand how he secured the republican nomination
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 13, 2016 11:31:34 GMT
On Andrew Marr show , looks like could be going for presidency en le france. I think UKIP up north could steal labours vote. Germans not happy with Merkel, their far right party doing well. Are we heading for a far right movement across the west? UKIP is only a far right party in the warped minds of those on the far left and in the minds of those who are ignorant and susceptible to media manipulation. I would call myself a bit left of centre (certainly not far left) and I view the tories as right wing and UKIP are further right of them. |
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Post by Mendicant on Nov 13, 2016 11:31:49 GMT
Trump has been a registered Democrat for most of his life ,I don't understand how he secured the republican nomination Harry, I wanted Trump to win. He never appeared to be a candidate steeped in political ideology - not the type who would read the works of political philosophers or biographies of Lincoln etc. Instead he's a pragmatist, opportunist, negiotiator, and self-publicist who wanted and got the world's most prestigious job. How he did it is worth a close look. The cartoonist who created Dilbert (I forget his name) is also a qualified hypnotist. He says Trump uses communication techniques that only someone trained in hypnosis would use. He hasn't hypnotised anyone in the campaign of course - but his methods were so far ahead of his opponents it was virtually unfair. He wiped his cock on Jeb Bush's curtains before the eyes of the world and his future opponents need some serious serious training. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 11:46:07 GMT
UKIP is only a far right party in the warped minds of those on the far left and in the minds of those who are ignorant and susceptible to media manipulation. I would call myself a bit left of centre (certainly not far left) and I view the tories as right wing and UKIP are further right of them. Yes they're definitely further right than the tories, in fact it's arguable that the rise of UKIP is largely down to the conservatives moving more towards the centre. However, UKIP is much much much closer to the tories than they are to the BNP. If the sun is the centre and the tories are Earth then UKIP is Mars, maybe Jupiter at a push and the BNP is way out in the Uranus/Neptune region. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 13, 2016 12:07:12 GMT
On Andrew Marr show , looks like could be going for presidency en le france. I think UKIP up north could steal labours vote. Germans not happy with Merkel, their far right party doing well. Are we heading for a far right movement across the west? Nationalism is on the rise in the US, the UK, France, the Netherlands, Germany, Italy, Austria and Hungary. It is already flourishing in Russia. When war breaks out, as it usually does with the rise of nationalism across Europe, it will no doubt be the fault of 'Liberals' lol. And Salopstick will be on here telling us closer, friendlier relations with our European neighbours was a great idea, just badly executed  In short, it won't possibly the fault of people who voted for isolationism, the break up of the EU, NATO under pressure and, indirectly, a stronger emboldened Putin, none of which they think they voted for but in fact they did when voting for the (far) right option in recent referendums and national elections. |
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 13, 2016 12:12:32 GMT
On Andrew Marr show , looks like could be going for presidency en le france. I think UKIP up north could steal labours vote. Germans not happy with Merkel, their far right party doing well. Are we heading for a far right movement across the west? Nationalism is on the rise in the US, the UK, France, the Netherlands, Germany, Italy, Austria and Hungary. It is already flourishing in Russia. When war breaks out, as it usually does with the rise of nationalism across Europe, it will no doubt be the fault of 'Liberals' lol. And Salopstick will be on here telling us closer, friendlier relations with our European neighbours was a great idea, just badly executed In short, it won't possibly the fault of people who voted for isolationism, the break up of the EU, NATO under pressure and, indirectly, a stronger emboldened Putin, none of which they think they voted for but in fact they did when voting for the (far) right option in recent referendums and national elections. And you will be part of it as you voted to leave the EU dictatorship oh dear  |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 13, 2016 12:14:36 GMT
That's right, crappy, since which time I've changed my mind.
I know, amazing isn't it, someone on the Oatcake actually admitting they have changed their position on something, quite the rarity lol
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Nov 13, 2016 12:22:02 GMT
Trump has been a registered Democrat for most of his life ,I don't understand how he secured the republican nomination Harry, I wanted Trump to win. He never appeared to be a candidate steeped in political ideology - not the type who would read the works of political philosophers or biographies of Lincoln etc. Instead he's a pragmatist, opportunist, negiotiator, and self-publicist who wanted and got the world's most prestigious job. How he did it is worth a close look. The cartoonist who created Dilbert (I forget his name) is also a qualified hypnotist. He says Trump uses communication techniques that only someone trained in hypnosis would use. He hasn't hypnotised anyone in the campaign of course - but his methods were so far ahead of his opponents it was virtually unfair. He wiped his cock on Jeb Bush's curtains before the eyes of the world and his future opponents need some serious serious training. pragmatist = tax dodger opportunist = sexual predator negotiator = intimidator self-publicist = narcissist You're right about him not reading books as everyone who knows him says his attention span makes an ADD person appear focused! His main method of winning the Republican nomination was bullying! He gave each of his opponents derogatory names e.g. low energy Bush, lying' Ted Cruz, lil[little] Marco Rubio i.e. little in age and experience. He cleverly tagged them and repeatedly used these derogatory terms continually. This is known as re-inforcing the message. None of these weak individuals had an effective reply. Marco Rubio attempted to fight back in the Florida primary but his attacks made him look even punier?! |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 13, 2016 12:37:29 GMT
That's right, crappy, since which time I've changed my mind. I know, amazing isn't it, someone on the Oatcake actually admitting they have changed their position on something, quite the rarity lol Still your fault though, buddy. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 13, 2016 12:39:29 GMT
That's right, crappy, since which time I've changed my mind. I know, amazing isn't it, someone on the Oatcake actually admitting they have changed their position on something, quite the rarity lol Still your fault though, buddy. Well, to quote your mate Crappy, pick your bottom lip up and get over it, loser  |
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Post by Mendicant on Nov 13, 2016 12:40:21 GMT
Harry, I wanted Trump to win. He never appeared to be a candidate steeped in political ideology - not the type who would read the works of political philosophers or biographies of Lincoln etc. Instead he's a pragmatist, opportunist, negiotiator, and self-publicist who wanted and got the world's most prestigious job. How he did it is worth a close look. The cartoonist who created Dilbert (I forget his name) is also a qualified hypnotist. He says Trump uses communication techniques that only someone trained in hypnosis would use. He hasn't hypnotised anyone in the campaign of course - but his methods were so far ahead of his opponents it was virtually unfair. He wiped his cock on Jeb Bush's curtains before the eyes of the world and his future opponents need some serious serious training. pragmatist = tax dodger opportunist = sexual predator negotiator = intimidator self-publicist = narcissist You're right about him not reading books as everyone who knows him says his attention span makes an ADD person appear focused! His main method of winning the Republican nomination was bullying! He gave each of his opponents derogatory names e.g. low energy Bush, lying' Ted Cruz, lil[little] Marco Rubio i.e. little in age and experience. He cleverly tagged them and repeatedly used these derogatory terms continually. This is known as re-inforcing the message. None of these weak individuals had an effective reply. Marco Rubio attempted to fight back in the Florida primary but his attacks made him look even punier?! He's the daddy. Anyway we risk moving this thread off its intended theme of the French national front which is much further to the right than daddy. |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 13, 2016 12:41:17 GMT
Still your fault though, buddy. Well, to quote your mate Crappy, pick your bottom lip up and get over it, loser I anna lost nowt, mate |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 13, 2016 12:41:26 GMT
A bit like Populism, Nationalism seems like a derogatory term , whist others seem to just infer that it means giving the population some say in and control over their "nation"
George Galloway, a Brexiter, a left winger, considers himself to not to be a nationalist. Labels eh?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 13, 2016 12:45:50 GMT
Well, to quote your mate Crappy, pick your bottom lip up and get over it, loser I anna lost nowt, mate Apart from the ability to write coherently and a sense of humour? |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 13, 2016 12:49:53 GMT
I anna lost nowt, mate Apart from the ability to write coherently and a sense of humour? I never feel the need to write long sentances filled with big words when a diminutive expression would suffice |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 13, 2016 12:52:28 GMT
Apart from the ability to write coherently and a sense of humour? I never feel the need to write long sentances filled with big words when a diminutive expression would suffice "Sentances" as a comeback to my pisstake? That is fucking funny |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 13, 2016 12:56:47 GMT
I never feel the need to write long sentances filled with big words when a diminutive expression would suffice "Sentances" as a comeback to my pisstake? That is fucking funny It had some nice irony to it  |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Nov 13, 2016 13:06:04 GMT
On Andrew Marr show , looks like could be going for presidency en le france. I think UKIP up north could steal labours vote. Germans not happy with Merkel, their far right party doing well. Are we heading for a far right movement across the west? I think you've answered your own question..yes! Trumpism isn't Republicanism as most of Wall Street, big business, lobbying companies supports the Republican party! AfD are doing surprisingly well against Merkel and with PR in Germany may win enough seats to force a C.D.U./S.P.D. 'Grand Coalition'. In France, Le Pen if she is in the run-off i.e. last two candidates may win and there are far right parties also doing well elsewhere e.g. Netherlands. |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 13, 2016 13:17:23 GMT
I've just been to my local war memorial as many of you may have. That shows what extreme nationalism can do
I've also today caught a bit of a young English cricketer scoring 82 runs at 19 in a Test Match v India. That shows how multi-culturism has enriched this country.
Nationalism and multi culturism must go hand in hand to fully work imo. We should embrace the cultural differences of different nationalities that settle here. But at the same time we should be able to be British with our causing offences.
Public sector should not be stopping us from being British, English, welsh what ever. As we are expected to respect other cultures we should be allowed to celebrate national saints, Christmas not winter fest, have a flag if we choose. It's shit like this that leads to racism, xenophobia and extreme nationalism.
Our society has moved to one where everyone is offended by somthing. That has to cease.
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Post by Mendicant on Nov 13, 2016 13:20:30 GMT
A bit like Populism, Nationalism seems like a derogatory term , whist others seem to just infer that it means giving the population some say in and control over their "nation" George Galloway, a Brexiter, a left winger, considers himself to not to be a nationalist. Labels eh? I could never figure Galloway out. On his radio show he came across as a good man, but his association with Sadam Hussein was unsettling given Hussein's need for a voice in the west. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 13:28:20 GMT
I'm sure it'll be Labours fault Nail on head  |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 13, 2016 13:32:45 GMT
A bit like Populism, Nationalism seems like a derogatory term , whist others seem to just infer that it means giving the population some say in and control over their "nation" George Galloway, a Brexiter, a left winger, considers himself to not to be a nationalist. Labels eh? I could never figure Galloway out. On his radio show he came across as a good man, but his association with Sadam Hussein was unsettling given Hussein's need for a voice in the west. I know what you mean. He is certainly an enigma to me. I can agree with 90% of what he says, perhaps more, then I think that I should not be agreeing with him. Clearly he is villifeld in the media, an easy target for the right BUT the left do not really know how to handle him. Some of his truths hit home, so the strategy is to go for the man, ignore him, sideline him, ridicule him.He is an excellent orator. |
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Post by harryburrows on Nov 13, 2016 13:41:05 GMT
Harry, I wanted Trump to win. He never appeared to be a candidate steeped in political ideology - not the type who would read the works of political philosophers or biographies of Lincoln etc. Instead he's a pragmatist, opportunist, negiotiator, and self-publicist who wanted and got the world's most prestigious job. How he did it is worth a close look. The cartoonist who created Dilbert (I forget his name) is also a qualified hypnotist. He says Trump uses communication techniques that only someone trained in hypnosis would use. He hasn't hypnotised anyone in the campaign of course - but his methods were so far ahead of his opponents it was virtually unfair. He wiped his cock on Jeb Bush's curtains before the eyes of the world and his future opponents need some serious serious training. pragmatist = tax dodger opportunist = sexual predator negotiator = intimidator self-publicist = narcissist You're right about him not reading books as everyone who knows him says his attention span makes an ADD person appear focused! His main method of winning the Republican nomination was bullying! He gave each of his opponents derogatory names e.g. low energy Bush, lying' Ted Cruz, lil[little] Marco Rubio i.e. little in age and experience. He cleverly tagged them and repeatedly used these derogatory terms continually. This is known as re-inforcing the message. None of these weak individuals had an effective reply. Marco Rubio attempted to fight back in the Florida primary but his attacks made him look even punier?! He's using the tax system in the same way all major corporations do ,if he's within the law . The system is obviously corrupted Just because he boasts about shagging in private conversation does it make him worse than Clinton ? I find the sight of lots of women protesting about it strange when there is no suggestion he raped anyone .women should be protesting outside the embassies of Saudi Arabia, India ,packistan ,Nigeria and a host of others whose attitude to women is often barbaric As for being an intimidator and narcissist well that covers most of the other world leaders He's more Homer Simpson which is more scary |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Nov 13, 2016 13:58:24 GMT
pragmatist = tax dodger opportunist = sexual predator negotiator = intimidator self-publicist = narcissist You're right about him not reading books as everyone who knows him says his attention span makes an ADD person appear focused! His main method of winning the Republican nomination was bullying! He gave each of his opponents derogatory names e.g. low energy Bush, lying' Ted Cruz, lil[little] Marco Rubio i.e. little in age and experience. He cleverly tagged them and repeatedly used these derogatory terms continually. This is known as re-inforcing the message. None of these weak individuals had an effective reply. Marco Rubio attempted to fight back in the Florida primary but his attacks made him look even punier?! He's using the tax system in the same way all major corporations do ,if he's within the law . The system is obviously corrupted Just because he boasts about shagging in private conversation does it make him worse than Clinton ? I find the sight of lots of women protesting about it strange when there is no suggestion he raped anyone .women should be protesting outside the embassies of Saudi Arabia, India ,packistan ,Nigeria and a host of others whose attitude to women is often barbaric As for being an intimidator and narcissist well that covers most of the other world leaders He's more Homer Simpson which is more scary It is not true that all major corporations behave this way! Warren Buffet a billionaire has released his tax returns and he has paid a fortune in taxes! It appears Trump has been valuing his properties at different levels at the same time for different taxes to avoid tax illegally. Indeed, his own accountant warned him about the illegality of his actions! But, hey ho why let the facts get in the way of an extreme right wing bumfest?! But several women have through legal counsel have said they were sexually assaulted. How many courts in Britain, say to a defendant,"O.K. sir we'll let you off the rape charge because you only sexually assaulted her"? I'm sure women's and other groups do protest about such issues to Saudi Arabia etc. The best 'defence' of Trump you come up with is that he's no worse than other leaders? Well, if your standard is Robert Mugabe, Mubarak etc. that's true! But how long would M/s May last as British P.M. if she was found to have ogled at teenage boys at a teen pageant whilst they were naked? And boasted about grabbing the balls of a man? I'll tell you how long she would last..about two seconds! |
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Post by harryburrows on Nov 13, 2016 14:04:04 GMT
He's using the tax system in the same way all major corporations do ,if he's within the law . The system is obviously corrupted Just because he boasts about shagging in private conversation does it make him worse than Clinton ? I find the sight of lots of women protesting about it strange when there is no suggestion he raped anyone .women should be protesting outside the embassies of Saudi Arabia, India ,packistan ,Nigeria and a host of others whose attitude to women is often barbaric As for being an intimidator and narcissist well that covers most of the other world leaders He's more Homer Simpson which is more scary It is not true that all major corporations behave this way! Warren Buffet a billionaire has released his tax returns and he has paid a fortune in taxes! It appears Trump has been valuing his properties at different levels at different times for different taxes. Indeed, his own accountant warned him about the illegality of his actions! But, hey ho why let the facts get in the way of an extreme right wing bumfest?! But several women have through legal counsel have said they were sexually assaulted. How many courts in Britain, say to a defendant,"O.K. sir we'll let you off the rape charge because you only sexually assaulted her"? I'm sure women's and other groups do protest about such issues to Saudi Arabia etc. The best 'defence' of Trump you come up with is that he's no worse than other leaders? Well, if your standard is Robert Mugabe, Mubarak etc. that's true! But how long would M/s May last as British P.M. if she was found to have ogled at teenage boys at a teen pageant whilst they were naked? And boasted about grabbing the balls of a man? I'll tell you how long she would last..about two seconds! I compared him to other world leaders in being a narcissist and intimidating . |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Nov 13, 2016 14:13:21 GMT
It is not true that all major corporations behave this way! Warren Buffet a billionaire has released his tax returns and he has paid a fortune in taxes! It appears Trump has been valuing his properties at different levels at different times for different taxes. Indeed, his own accountant warned him about the illegality of his actions! But, hey ho why let the facts get in the way of an extreme right wing bumfest?! But several women have through legal counsel have said they were sexually assaulted. How many courts in Britain, say to a defendant,"O.K. sir we'll let you off the rape charge because you only sexually assaulted her"? I'm sure women's and other groups do protest about such issues to Saudi Arabia etc. The best 'defence' of Trump you come up with is that he's no worse than other leaders? Well, if your standard is Robert Mugabe, Mubarak etc. that's true! But how long would M/s May last as British P.M. if she was found to have ogled at teenage boys at a teen pageant whilst they were naked? And boasted about grabbing the balls of a man? I'll tell you how long she would last..about two seconds! I compared him to other world leaders in being a narcissist and intimidating . Who is "intimidated" by M/s May? She's ruthless I accept but not intimidating? Ditto with M/s Merkel. I don't see the same personality traits in most western democracy's leaders. I agree that have a very high opinion of themselves but they don't exhibit the same bizarre behaviour patters of Trump. Two days ago he implied Clinton wouldn't face a Special Prosecutor but in The New York Times it says that might be back on the table? I'm fairly sure you can trust the word of most politicians from year to year e.g. Cameron promising a E.U. referendum and he did it but you can't trust Trump from one day to the next? |
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