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Post by AlbertTatlock on Nov 1, 2016 22:09:48 GMT
It doesn't look like Ryan will ever get the nod for England again so if he harbours any ambition to play international football do you think that Joe Allen would try and convince him to play for the Welsh and would you think it's a good idea? Gouranga.  |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 1, 2016 22:13:20 GMT
No & no.
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 1, 2016 22:14:25 GMT
Also, no
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Post by heworksardtho on Nov 1, 2016 22:15:50 GMT
Ramsey would spit his dummy out
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Post by raythesailor on Nov 1, 2016 22:26:30 GMT
I may be wrong but I think that as Ryan as played ,even as a sub, for England that he could not now play for another international team.
Shawcross has always admirably said the he was only interested in playing for England.
Personaly I am quite pleased that he has not been involved in the Shambolic last few years of our national teams embarrassing performances. Had he been I am sure he would have been named as a scapegoat for the the totally inadequate performances and miss management of the England team that we were once proud.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2016 22:30:56 GMT
To add to their earlier.....no
And hope not.
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Post by TheBra1n on Nov 1, 2016 22:34:35 GMT
I may be wrong but I think that as Ryan as played ,even as a sub, for England that he could not now play for another international team. Shawcross has always admirably said the he was only interested in playing for England. Personaly I am quite pleased that he has not been involved in the Shambolic last few years of our national teams embarrassing performances. Had he been I am sure he would have been named as a scapegoat for the the totally inadequate performances and miss management of the England team that we were once proud. the England game was a friendly so Ryan can still play for Wales if he wants to but he has gone on record to say he is English and has no desire to play for Wales |
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Post by raythesailor on Nov 1, 2016 22:37:38 GMT
I may be wrong but I think that as Ryan as played ,even as a sub, for England that he could not now play for another international team. Shawcross has always admirably said the he was only interested in playing for England. Personaly I am quite pleased that he has not been involved in the Shambolic last few years of our national teams embarrassing performances. Had he been I am sure he would have been named as a scapegoat for the the totally inadequate performances and miss management of the England team that we were once proud. the England game was a friendly so Ryan can still play for Wales if he wants to but he has gone on record to say he is English and has no desire to play for Wales Ok stand corrected. |
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Post by ElworthPotter on Nov 1, 2016 22:47:09 GMT
Is Ryan Welsh? No
Does Ryan want to play for Wales? No
Does Joe Allen decide who does play for Wales? No
No
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2016 22:48:02 GMT
Is Ryan Welsh? No Does Ryan want to play for Wales? No Does Joe Allen decide who does play for Wales? No No Aaron Ramsey does. |
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Post by ElworthPotter on Nov 1, 2016 22:49:28 GMT
Is Ryan Welsh? No Does Ryan want to play for Wales? No Does Joe Allen decide who does play for Wales? No No Aaron Ramsey does. Correct. Another 'no' |
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Post by alster on Nov 2, 2016 8:38:50 GMT
Lets be selfish and say with Ryan's recent back problems we can do without him playing extra games during a season and not getting a proper rest every other Summer.
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Post by silverdollar on Nov 2, 2016 10:12:05 GMT
Are we not missing something something here? Does not the Wales manager have to be interested in selecting him first. Shawcross, happily, appears to have improved his recent form but early season has clearly shown that Shawcross is not a deity. Why on earth do people have to keep on bringing up this old cherry? Let's just let him get on with doing well for Stoke.
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Post by alster on Nov 2, 2016 10:22:58 GMT
I know you can't stop players wanting to play for their country but this last episode with Jack has left a sour taste. Thankfully Grant's come in and been a massive up grade on Given but FA's need to sort their shit out properly and compensate clubs not just for the loss of their player but the cost of a like for like replacement. I take it they don't otherwise we could have had Hart for the season for nil cost, thats a no brainer.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 10:27:03 GMT
I think if ryan can stay fit and injury free, he will get his chance to play for england again. His form is definitely picking up, and if he continues to improve and get back to where he was 2 years ago then his time will come.
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Post by Old School Stokie on Nov 2, 2016 10:43:09 GMT
Even if he did secretly desire to play internationals - his distribution so lets him down that I can't say with any confidence that any international manager worth his salts would pick him. His first move when he gets the ball is to look if he can play to his goalkeeper or fellow defenders. When he can't its a hoof aimlessly up front.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Nov 2, 2016 11:03:30 GMT
It's not up to us to decide who he should and shouldn't play for internationally, we could argue "YES" or "NO" all day long, but if the chance arose to play for Wales (his England chances seem limited, especially the older he gets...not saying he's past it though) and he had a change of heart, then good luck to him!!!
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Post by Northy on Nov 2, 2016 11:09:14 GMT
Even if he did secretly desire to play internationals - his distribution so lets him down that I can't say with any confidence that any international manager worth his salts would pick him. His first move when he gets the ball is to look if he can play to his goalkeeper or fellow defenders. When he can't its a hoof aimlessly up front. he has hit some lovely 40 yard passes out to Arnie before, he can hit a good pass at times, I think if he played in the same team as Sterling on the left wing he would start some great couter attacks |
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Post by stokecity4eva on Nov 2, 2016 13:29:54 GMT
I wouldnt be surprised if ryan is named in southgates next england sqaud hes in good form and southgate proved last time he aint afraid to pick players based on form (johnson)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 13:50:05 GMT
Even if he did secretly desire to play internationals - his distribution so lets him down that I can't say with any confidence that any international manager worth his salts would pick him. His first move when he gets the ball is to look if he can play to his goalkeeper or fellow defenders. When he can't its a hoof aimlessly up front. You must have missed our most recent game. Every outfield Stoke player kept passing the ball backwards to Ryan, even when passing forward or running with the ball seemed better choices. It was like they think Ryan is some kind of Beckenbauer or/and as if Ryan is our playmaker. Your description of what he does next is not always inadequate, but I thought that his not-quite-so-long-longball game went better than we often see. His half distance longball did mostly find a Stoke shirt on the night. But of course it is telling that Swansea, on a night they pressed high with three men aggressively seeking tackles against Bards, Indi, and Pieters, never bothered to mark or tackle him. Either they were afraid of getting hurt or they knew he was never going to do anything sensational with the ball. |
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Post by superheroantonius on Nov 2, 2016 16:26:43 GMT
aren't wales ranked higher than England ?
Seems odd that someone who can't get a game for England , could get in the wales team ?
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Post by mrred on Nov 2, 2016 16:28:50 GMT
It's never going to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 16:45:19 GMT
The question is...
Would they want him?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 16:56:37 GMT
Is Ryan Welsh? No Does Ryan want to play for Wales? No Does Joe Allen decide who does play for Wales? No No This ^ it's getting boring now with the same question being asked every week. |
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Post by nott1 on Nov 2, 2016 17:10:24 GMT
Lets be selfish and say with Ryan's recent back problems we can do without him playing extra games during a season and not getting a proper rest every other Summer. Yes! |
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Nov 2, 2016 17:25:33 GMT
I know you can't stop players wanting to play for their country but this last episode with Jack has left a sour taste. Thankfully Grant's come in and been a massive up grade on Given but FA's need to sort their shit out properly and compensate clubs not just for the loss of their player but the cost of a like for like replacement. I take it they don't otherwise we could have had Hart for the season for nil cost, thats a no brainer. how the fuck can you blame England for what happened to Jack??????? people on here moan their bags off because Stoke players don't get selected, then one does and gets injured (not even from a challenge from anyone or because of any other england player) and suddenly we blame the national team for it and think we deserve compo for it???? FFS man, get a grip! i didn't see you calling for Stoke to hand over shit loads of compo to Arsenal because Ramsey got injured playing against us or do the rules change as and when it's us and as and when our players are or aren't selected for the national team? it's a sport ( a contact one at that), people get injured..get over it and stop blaming others for incidents that, quite simply just happen in this game. |
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Post by alster on Nov 2, 2016 18:38:19 GMT
I know you can't stop players wanting to play for their country but this last episode with Jack has left a sour taste. Thankfully Grant's come in and been a massive up grade on Given but FA's need to sort their shit out properly and compensate clubs not just for the loss of their player but the cost of a like for like replacement. I take it they don't otherwise we could have had Hart for the season for nil cost, thats a no brainer. how the fuck can you blame England for what happened to Jack??????? people on here moan their bags off because Stoke players don't get selected, then one does and gets injured (not even from a challenge from anyone or because of any other england player) and suddenly we blame the national team for it and think we deserve compo for it???? FFS man, get a grip! i didn't see you calling for Stoke to hand over shit loads of compo to Arsenal because Ramsey got injured playing against us or do the rules change as and when it's us and as and when our players are or aren't selected for the national team? it's a sport ( a contact one at that), people get injured..get over it and stop blaming others for incidents that, quite simply just happen in this game. But the fact is they do pay compo so they must think they are probably liable and don't want to test it through the court of arbitration. They won't give money out if they don't think they'll have to if a club puts it to the test. Assuming on that basis they are liable they should make sure the club is no worse off than before the incident ie pay the players wages, pay for a temporary replacement, pay medical costs etc its simply the basic principals of compensation I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel. Don't really know whats got your goat about it, they pay compensation but just in an half arsed way so why not do it right? |
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