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Bojan
Oct 23, 2016 17:29:09 GMT
Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 23, 2016 17:29:09 GMT
One would assume he will be looking for a move away
Despite our new found form can not understand how he does not get any game time at all
Threw his water bottle yesterday near the end - very telling don't ya know
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Bojan
Oct 23, 2016 17:30:48 GMT
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Post by Waggy on Oct 23, 2016 17:30:48 GMT
Yes can see him wanting away
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2016 17:33:45 GMT
Unfortunately for the sexy little bastard, we are looking like a team at the moment. We shouldn't change that whilst things are going well. Boj has to accept it, Imbula has to accept it, Mama has to accept it. If they don't - then they aren't part of the squad and they are welcome to find somewhere else.
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Post by arniepieinthesky on Oct 23, 2016 17:34:17 GMT
It's a long season, so I wouldn't rule him out of the picture just yet.
My gut feeling says Hughes needs to graft a few wins, and the trio of Cameron/Whelan & Allen will get us that.
Once we have a few points on the board I wouldn't be surprised if he works his way back in.
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Bojan
Oct 23, 2016 17:38:07 GMT
Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 23, 2016 17:38:07 GMT
It's a long season, so I wouldn't rule him out of the picture just yet. My gut feeling says Hughes needs to graft a few wins, and the trio of Cameron/Whelan & Allen will get us that. Once we have a few points on the board I wouldn't be surprised if he works his way back in. I hope so because if JA is crocked he is surely the one we should turn to - makes Imbula purchase very weird We should have three (4 if you include Aff) competing for one spot - yet we have no one other than JA
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Post by Scrotnig on Oct 23, 2016 17:39:27 GMT
One would assume he will be looking for a move away Despite our new found form can not understand how he does not get any game time at all Threw his water bottle yesterday near the end - very telling don't ya know He doesn't get any game time now because recently, whenever he has played, he's been a complete and utter waste of space. Bad luck on him if he cannot see that. See also: Imbula. Although at least Bojan has the advantage that he used to play well for us once.
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Bojan
Oct 23, 2016 17:41:01 GMT
Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 23, 2016 17:41:01 GMT
One would assume he will be looking for a move away Despite our new found form can not understand how he does not get any game time at all Threw his water bottle yesterday near the end - very telling don't ya know He doesn't get any game time now because recently, whenever he has played, he's been a complete and utter waste of space. Bad luck on him if he cannot see that. See also: Imbula. Although at least Bojan has the advantage that he used to play well for us once. Bit harsh that
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Bojan
Oct 23, 2016 17:52:07 GMT
Post by baystokie on Oct 23, 2016 17:52:07 GMT
One would assume he will be looking for a move away Despite our new found form can not understand how he does not get any game time at all Threw his water bottle yesterday near the end - very telling don't ya know I know this is a forum where anything and everything can be expressed but, for the life of me, cannot understand why we have to psycho-analyse and pick over every gesture, facial expression etc. Threw his water bottle yesterday?- bottle might have been empty? didn't like the taste? maybe frustrated at not getting a substitute appearance BUT with the team winning, would HE have wished to have been substituted had he been playing? I'm sure MH will have him in mind when the situation requires his talents, it's a long season yet.
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Bojan
Oct 23, 2016 17:58:00 GMT
Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 23, 2016 17:58:00 GMT
One would assume he will be looking for a move away Despite our new found form can not understand how he does not get any game time at all Threw his water bottle yesterday near the end - very telling don't ya know I know this is a forum where anything and everything can be expressed but, for the life of me, cannot understand why we have to psycho-analyse and pick over every gesture, facial expression etc. Threw his water bottle yesterday?- bottle might have been empty? didn't like the taste? maybe frustrated at not getting a substitute appearance BUT with the team winning, would HE have wished to have been substituted had he been playing? I'm sure MH will have him in mind when the situation requires his talents, it's a long season yet. Not just one game though is it - pretty much the whole season If he warrants a start/bit time part is a discussion point - no agenda, just a discussion
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Bojan
Oct 23, 2016 17:58:14 GMT
Post by Scrotnig on Oct 23, 2016 17:58:14 GMT
He doesn't get any game time now because recently, whenever he has played, he's been a complete and utter waste of space. Bad luck on him if he cannot see that. See also: Imbula. Although at least Bojan has the advantage that he used to play well for us once. Bit harsh that Harsh, but...they are paid a bloody lot of money.
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Bojan
Oct 23, 2016 17:59:54 GMT
Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 23, 2016 17:59:54 GMT
Harsh, but...they are paid a bloody lot of money. They all are but in context he isn't Anyway I think we have sadly oved passed how much relates to ability arguement
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 23, 2016 18:02:08 GMT
With suspensions looming he'll get his chance which he needs to take with both hands but at the minute there's no place for him.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Oct 23, 2016 18:06:28 GMT
If he worked as hard as Allen he could slot in there and do well and Allen could drop back .
I'm sure he is frustrated but his attitude when we have not had the ball when he has been on this season has not been good enough , same goes for Imbula . These are part of the reason we were getting beaten so easily
Now he will have to bide his time and take his chance when it comes , which it surely will
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Post by crownmeking on Oct 23, 2016 18:06:48 GMT
Bojan lost form, Joe Allen found some, until that changes, which it will as all players have peaks and troughs in their performances over the season... Bojan now has to wait for his moment, this is nothing new!
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Bojan
Oct 23, 2016 18:10:52 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 23, 2016 18:10:52 GMT
He needs to publicly whine like the good old senior pros who do it when they're not getting a game.
It works for them owd bastards!
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Bojan
Oct 23, 2016 18:19:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2016 18:19:28 GMT
It's a long season, so I wouldn't rule him out of the picture just yet. My gut feeling says Hughes needs to graft a few wins, and the trio of Cameron/Whelan & Allen will get us that. Once we have a few points on the board I wouldn't be surprised if he works his way back in. I hope so because if JA is crocked he is surely the one we should turn to - makes Imbula purchase very weird We should have three (4 if you include Aff) competing for one spot - yet we have no one other than JA Imbula looking more like a costly splurge at the mo. Not really sure how he can fit in to the team and make us better. Certainly wouldn't want him as one of the two defensive mids and would probably be 4th choice when Affelay returns as the one in the whole.
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Post by Linx on Oct 23, 2016 18:20:27 GMT
It's simple. Bojan just hasn't been the same player since he came back from injury. He's too lightweight for a midfield linking role, gets knocked off the ball all the time, can't seem to tackle or get the ball back. He has lost something, whatever it was, that was beginning to emerge just before his injury. Allen has shown the way for how you need to play the role but I strongly suspect that Bojan just isn't capable of playing that way because he just doesn't have that same energy level or aggression.
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Bojan
Oct 23, 2016 18:24:27 GMT
Post by skemstokie on Oct 23, 2016 18:24:27 GMT
It's a long season, so I wouldn't rule him out of the picture just yet. My gut feeling says Hughes needs to graft a few wins, and the trio of Cameron/Whelan & Allen will get us that. Once we have a few points on the board I wouldn't be surprised if he works his way back in. Would imagine injury/suspension of any of the holy trinity you named will be his chance to stake a claim for a starting spot again ?
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Post by TexasPotter on Oct 23, 2016 18:36:29 GMT
I think Bojan will get back in it. He has time and again, problem is we needed the grafters in the midfield to get results and it's working, why change it right now? Bojan offers the attacking side of his game but he isn't as defensive a player we currently need, same for Imbula. They'll most likely feature away first or in the cup and if they grab their chance it is only theirs to gain or lose. I like how Hughes is fair in regards to form.
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Bojan
Oct 23, 2016 18:42:35 GMT
Post by cheeesfreeex on Oct 23, 2016 18:42:35 GMT
When do we enter the FA Cup. Could do with getting some game time under his belt before we unleash the False 9 during the Acon.
He did have a dip in form, but he wasn't shirking, seem to recall him playing on the wing and putting a defensive shift in against Everton{?} too. Back post corner duties. Not ideal for the lad. Wasn't he responsible for the penalty with over zealous tracking back. He flung in some mint corners in the first couple of games though, he was below par not terrible. Trying too much if owt.. Don't see is at a major concern, suspensions, injuries, sub opportunities, Cup.
Hughes could set up like Conte or the French national team and create a Hazard/Griezmann type role for him. Working fine how it is so wouldn't advocate that just yet.
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Bojan
Oct 23, 2016 18:47:34 GMT
Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Oct 23, 2016 18:47:34 GMT
Bojan will be fine, he seems to generally be a happy person. Train hard, keep a good attitude and stay hungry.
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Bojan
Oct 23, 2016 18:56:23 GMT
Post by Clem Fandango on Oct 23, 2016 18:56:23 GMT
He played an important role in the team during that great spell last season. Im sure he'll get his chance and it'll be up to him to take it.
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Post by Northy on Oct 23, 2016 18:57:23 GMT
It's simple. Bojan just hasn't been the same player since he came back from injury. He's too lightweight for a midfield linking role, gets knocked off the ball all the time, can't seem to tackle or get the ball back. He has lost something, whatever it was, that was beginning to emerge just before his injury. Allen has shown the way for how you need to play the role but I strongly suspect that Bojan just isn't capable of playing that way because he just doesn't have that same energy level or aggression. agree with this linx, he was at times becoming a liability in the team
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Bojan
Oct 23, 2016 18:59:02 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 23, 2016 18:59:02 GMT
Oh here we go.
There has to be summat doesn't there?
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Bojan
Oct 23, 2016 19:14:18 GMT
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Post by chrisparker on Oct 23, 2016 19:14:18 GMT
If I'm being perfectly honest I wouldn't be too fussed if he left in January. There's a reason why he's been a benchwarmer for every team he has played for. His attitude & body language when we don't have the ball is highly questionable. He never attempts to help his teammates win the ball back. Players run past him like he isn't there.
Moreover I don't think he contributes much going forward either. He doesn't possess the strength & power of Arnautovic, he doesn't possess the creativity of Shaqiri or the composure of Joe Allen & he certainly isn't a work-horse like Diouf/ Walters who can be brought on to see a game out. He is a very limited player in several respects & I think the manager is right to drop him.
Looking at some of the above comments here, I'm surprised by everyone claiming that Allen is playing instead of Bojan for the past few weeks because Allen works a lot harder than him. That has got very little to do with it imo. Allen plays instead of Bojan because he is quite simply a much better footballer.
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Bojan
Oct 23, 2016 19:27:42 GMT
Post by datguy on Oct 23, 2016 19:27:42 GMT
He needs to publicly whine like the good old senior pros who do it when they're not getting a game. It works for them owd bastards! Does it? Crouch does it often in jest and it doesn't work for him.
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Bojan
Oct 23, 2016 19:30:58 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 23, 2016 19:30:58 GMT
He needs to publicly whine like the good old senior pros who do it when they're not getting a game. It works for them owd bastards! Does it? Crouch does it often in jest and it doesn't work for him. The fact he's still mysteriously here shows its worked.
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Post by Linx on Oct 23, 2016 19:34:56 GMT
If I'm being perfectly honest I wouldn't be too fussed if he left in January. There's a reason why he's been a benchwarmer for every team he has played for. His attitude & body language when we don't have the ball is highly questionable. He never attempts to help his teammates win the ball back. Players run past him like he isn't there. Moreover I don't think he contributes much going forward either. He doesn't possess the strength & power of Arnautovic, he doesn't possess the creativity of Shaqiri or the composure of Joe Allen & he certainly isn't a work-horse like Diouf/ Walters who can be brought on to see a game out. He is a very limited player in several respects & I think the manager is right to drop him. Looking at some of the above comments here, I'm surprised by everyone claiming that Allen is playing instead of Bojan for the past few weeks because Allen works a lot harder than him. That has got very little to do with it imo. Allen plays instead of Bojan because he is quite simply a much better footballer. Isn't the reluctance to dismiss Bojan because, when he arrived, it was part of the Stokelona, re-modelling love-in, a symbol of us leaving behind the pragmatic pulisball that made us so effective but so unloved? His early promise compounded this feeling that we were a creative, beautiful team to watch, the team that put Arsenal and Man City to the sword, and everything was rosy and we want it to get rosier. We wanted to be loved, to be drooled over by the media, rather than grudgingly respected. People fear that, if we lose him, we lose hold of that dream, that ambition. But the reality is that Hughes has recognised that too much Bojan in the middle makes us too soft and too beatable. On its day, BMX is fantastic to watch but that's the problem: the world saw us beat those big teams and opposition managers saw how to get around it. Nullify Bojan and you nullify Stoke through the middle, reducing their attacking options to the temperamental wing players. So he's stiffened the midfield with big Geoff as a foil to feisty Glen, and our own Welsh dynamo in Joe Allen, who is Premier League savvy in the way that Bojan still hasn't learned. Ergo, we retain our creativity but are harder to get past. Like some have stated, we might see Bojan back in the middle when we have righted the ship, but this lashed together emergency solution is looking like Hughes has stumbled on the right formation and tactics. I am not convinced that Bojan can slot into a system that has moved on from where it was when he was left out of it.
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Bojan
Oct 23, 2016 19:38:02 GMT
Post by datguy on Oct 23, 2016 19:38:02 GMT
Does it? Crouch does it often in jest and it doesn't work for him. The fact he's still mysteriously here shows its worked. Surely he sells a lot of shirts?
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Bojan
Oct 23, 2016 19:40:02 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 23, 2016 19:40:02 GMT
The fact he's still mysteriously here shows its worked. Surely he sells a lot of shirts? That's ok then.
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