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Post by mowcoppotter on Oct 16, 2016 5:01:37 GMT
Just thought about it and realised our record transfer signing. Didn't even make it onto the bench yesterday.
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Post by Dallas Cowboy on Oct 16, 2016 5:03:15 GMT
He is being fitted for customized gloves in preparation for the cold weather.
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Post by pottarius on Oct 16, 2016 5:10:41 GMT
With LMH placing Allen in the AM role and finding, by either a stroke of genius or pure fluke that he is perfect, the chances of starts for either Imbula and even more so for Bojan are pretty slim. As we saw today Hughes will throw on Adam as Allen's replacement typically so it leaves both Imbula and Bojan either hoping for Allen to snap his hammie or have a bad run to be considered. One or even both may be asking to leave come the new year (along with Diouf)
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Post by andylgr on Oct 16, 2016 7:17:42 GMT
Neither imbula or Bojan have been good enough. Joe Allens come in and more than deserved his place. Time for imbula and Bojan to step up and now and raise their game.
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Post by potterfox1011 on Oct 16, 2016 7:32:46 GMT
Difficult to raise your game when you dont play
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Post by penkvillepotter on Oct 16, 2016 7:38:15 GMT
In my view he's off in January
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Post by britvic72 on Oct 16, 2016 7:41:43 GMT
In my view he's off in January With a £10m drop in price! |
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Oct 16, 2016 7:41:45 GMT
Difficult to raise your game when you dont play Effort and good attitude on the training ground. Willingness to accept your weaknesses and work on them etc. With how much Imbula cost, the speed in which he's been bombed out of the team and the circumstantial evidence of his body language on the pitch (flapping his arms and blaming others when he's given it away, strolling around off the ball and neglecting defensive duties etc) I suspect that his attitude hasn't been great behind the scenes. You don't usually bomb a record signing out of the team and matchday squad so quickly without there being a problem. Bojan has looked like a lost boy scared of getting hurt for a while now and doesn't deserve a place right now. Sadly he's never been the same since the injury. |
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Post by VolvicStokie on Oct 16, 2016 7:48:36 GMT
Hughes said "It's only a matter of time before Imbula is starting game's"
In the post match interview.
That says to me, Imbula just needs to do what Hughes wants him to do (defensively,track players, not watch the world go by etc).
He won't be leaving in January at all. He's our record signing. One of the most talented players we've got if not the most talented.
Whelan was pretty poor today. Cameron was the man who held it all together. Imbula has to realise he's basically up against an ageing Whelan who's performances aren't what they were
He'll get back in and when he does I reckon Hughes will have unlocked the man's obvious ability.
18 million quid says Hughes thinks he's the man to run the show in the middle of the park
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 16, 2016 7:53:54 GMT
We just can't sell him in January, it'd put Hughes job massively under pressure so it won't happen.
He's got to find a way of playing him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2016 8:06:19 GMT
We just can't sell him in January, it'd put Hughes job massively under pressure so it won't happen. He's got to find a way of playing him. If Imbula doesn't play and we still go on a great run do you honestly thing his job will be under scrutiny? Once those players get on the training ground/pitch on a Saturday the transfer fee means jack shit. He hasn't got to find a way of playing him at all..... |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 16, 2016 8:07:32 GMT
We just can't sell him in January, it'd put Hughes job massively under pressure so it won't happen. He's got to find a way of playing him. If Imbula doesn't play and we still go on a great run do you honestly thing his job will be under scrutiny? Once those players get on the training ground/pitch on a Saturday the transfer fee means jack shit. He hasn't got to find a way of playing him at all..... No I said if he's sold..... And yes he has. The transfer means a hell of a lot for a club like us. |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Oct 16, 2016 8:10:45 GMT
Just thought about it and realised our record transfer signing. Didn't even make it onto the bench yesterday. Imbula undoubtedly has talent, but we look a much more solid, tougher to beat team without him in the side. The fact that he is omitted completely from the match day squad tells you where his prospects currently lie. I think that Bojan is a slightly different case. He's just been out of form and I think that he will creep back into the team once we start getting some points on the board. |
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Post by stantheman on Oct 16, 2016 8:10:54 GMT
I can see us loaning him out if he's not even making the bench
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2016 8:14:09 GMT
If Imbula doesn't play and we still go on a great run do you honestly thing his job will be under scrutiny? Once those players get on the training ground/pitch on a Saturday the transfer fee means jack shit. He hasn't got to find a way of playing him at all..... No I said if he's sold..... And yes he has. The transfer means a hell of a lot for a club like us. The transfer fee clearly means a lot to you as you keep banging on about it, the rest is just pure supposition on your part as usual. It's about winning football matches, if we start doing that regularly without Imbula and he has to be a bit part player or moved on that's football.... |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 16, 2016 8:18:32 GMT
No I said if he's sold..... And yes he has. The transfer means a hell of a lot for a club like us. The transfer fee clearly means a lot to you as you keep banging on about it, the rest is just pure supposition on your part as usual. It's about winning football matches, if we start doing that regularly without Imbula and he has to be a bit part player or moved on that's football.... He's the record signing, it's a prestigious thing and we banged on about when he signed so when it's going tits up with him it should be mentioned. It is and it also questions the head scout and the manager's judgement especially if he's binned after 12 months. That'd 26m worth of player binned after a year. And it reminds me of this tweet from said head scout. I bet he was sad to see them leave!  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2016 8:31:35 GMT
The transfer fee clearly means a lot to you as you keep banging on about it, the rest is just pure supposition on your part as usual. It's about winning football matches, if we start doing that regularly without Imbula and he has to be a bit part player or moved on that's football.... He's the record signing, it's a prestigious thing and we banged on about when he signed so when it's going tits up with him it should be mentioned. It is and it also questions the head scout and the manager's judgement especially if he's binned after 12 months. That'd 26m worth of player binned after a year. And it reminds me of this tweet from said head scout. I bet he was sad to see them leave! Of course it should be mentioned it's a topic of discussion. But you keep making a thing about the fact that he's our record signing and he must play or else which I repeat is just you speculating. Some signings work out, others don't. Still very early days with Imbula but IF it doesn't work out then that's football. You have to balance it off against the likes of Arnautovic who we got for peanuts..... |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Oct 16, 2016 8:33:39 GMT
Have to admit I was calling for Hughes to go on here but willingness to make the big decision to drop Imbula has impressed me.
Pulis made a similar fuck up with the crouch signing and didn't have the balls to drop him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 16, 2016 8:35:10 GMT
He's the record signing, it's a prestigious thing and we banged on about when he signed so when it's going tits up with him it should be mentioned. It is and it also questions the head scout and the manager's judgement especially if he's binned after 12 months. That'd 26m worth of player binned after a year. And it reminds me of this tweet from said head scout. I bet he was sad to see them leave! Of course it should be mentioned it's a topic of discussion. But you keep making a thing about the fact that he's our record signing and he must play or else which I repeat is just you speculating. Some signings work out, others don't. Still very early days with Imbula but IF it doesn't work out then that's football. You have to balance it off against the likes of Arnautovic who we got for peanuts..... And that will be thought of but it was 3/4 years ago. The more recent evidence isn't as good. And writing Imbula off in that would be a nail in his coffin imo or should be. That's why he won't be sold/loaned this January. We can't spend 18m on a player to be 9 months later going "hey that's football". |
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Post by no1972 on Oct 16, 2016 8:41:10 GMT
All managers or transfer teams make mistakes,it takes courage to admit your mistakes and take the lad out,work with him on the training ground see what his reaction is ,if it's good bring him back in the squad if not get rid.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 16, 2016 8:43:31 GMT
All managers or transfer teams make mistakes,it takes courage to admit your mistakes and take the lad out,work with him on the training ground see what his reaction is ,if it's good bring him back in the squad if not get rid. Oh they do but summer 2015 is a write off bar Shaq. January 2016 could be the biggest write off yet. Summer 2016 so far so good but it's still left the squad unbalanced. |
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Post by sportsman on Oct 16, 2016 8:44:18 GMT
Hughes said "It's only a matter of time before Imbula is starting game's" In the post match interview. That says to me, Imbula just needs to do what Hughes wants him to do (defensively,track players, not watch the world go by etc). He won't be leaving in January at all. He's our record signing. One of the most talented players we've got if not the most talented. Whelan was pretty poor today. Cameron was the man who held it all together. Imbula has to realise he's basically up against an ageing Whelan who's performances aren't what they were He'll get back in and when he does I reckon Hughes will have unlocked the man's obvious ability. 18 million quid says Hughes thinks he's the man to run the show in the middle of the park Exactly. Why do people make a drama saying he's leaving when you've had the chairman in the week saying be patient with him, and the manager yesterday saying he'll soon be starting games. There's spurs players that cost about 30m when they sold bale that took about 2 years to adapt, but ours has to hit the ground running. |
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Post by jarhead on Oct 16, 2016 8:44:47 GMT
All managers or transfer teams make mistakes,it takes courage to admit your mistakes and take the lad out,work with him on the training ground see what his reaction is ,if it's good bring him back in the squad if not get rid. Simple as this well said. It ain't rocket science |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2016 8:46:28 GMT
All managers or transfer teams make mistakes,it takes courage to admit your mistakes and take the lad out,work with him on the training ground see what his reaction is ,if it's good bring him back in the squad if not get rid. Correct. The fee is largely irrelevant once they've signed, it's about their attitude and aptitude in training and on matchdays...... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2016 8:47:09 GMT
Hughes said "It's only a matter of time before Imbula is starting game's" In the post match interview. That says to me, Imbula just needs to do what Hughes wants him to do (defensively,track players, not watch the world go by etc). He won't be leaving in January at all. He's our record signing. One of the most talented players we've got if not the most talented. Whelan was pretty poor today. Cameron was the man who held it all together. Imbula has to realise he's basically up against an ageing Whelan who's performances aren't what they were He'll get back in and when he does I reckon Hughes will have unlocked the man's obvious ability. 18 million quid says Hughes thinks he's the man to run the show in the middle of the park Exactly. Why do people make a drama saying he's leaving when you've had the chairman in the week saying be patient with him, and the manager yesterday saying he'll soon be starting games. There's spurs players that cost about 30m when they sold bale that took about 2 years to adapt, but ours has to hit the ground running. By people you mean the ultimate drama queen Bayern? |
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Post by VolvicStokie on Oct 16, 2016 8:47:42 GMT
Hughes said "It's only a matter of time before Imbula is starting game's" In the post match interview. That says to me, Imbula just needs to do what Hughes wants him to do (defensively,track players, not watch the world go by etc). He won't be leaving in January at all. He's our record signing. One of the most talented players we've got if not the most talented. Whelan was pretty poor today. Cameron was the man who held it all together. Imbula has to realise he's basically up against an ageing Whelan who's performances aren't what they were He'll get back in and when he does I reckon Hughes will have unlocked the man's obvious ability. 18 million quid says Hughes thinks he's the man to run the show in the middle of the park Exactly. Why do people make a drama saying he's leaving when you've had the chairman in the week saying be patient with him, and the manager yesterday saying he'll soon be starting games. There's spurs players that cost about 30m when they sold bale that took about 2 years to adapt, but ours has to hit the ground running. Exactly As soon as the penny drops with Gianelli he'll be back in and skinning 4 players before laying off someone for a chance! Whelan is part of that kind of 'old guard' if you like. And I 100% understand why Hughes is playing him and Cameron together. We've only conceded 2 goals since they've been put in and we've got ourselves 5 points. So it's obviously working BUT No way on earth is that the long term future. Imbula Cameron is the most likely centre midfield partnership with Joe in front of them |
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Post by heworksardtho on Oct 16, 2016 8:50:59 GMT
He was at the Barbour outlet getting a winter coat
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 16, 2016 8:56:04 GMT
Hughes said "It's only a matter of time before Imbula is starting game's" In the post match interview. That says to me, Imbula just needs to do what Hughes wants him to do (defensively,track players, not watch the world go by etc). He won't be leaving in January at all. He's our record signing. One of the most talented players we've got if not the most talented. Whelan was pretty poor today. Cameron was the man who held it all together. Imbula has to realise he's basically up against an ageing Whelan who's performances aren't what they were He'll get back in and when he does I reckon Hughes will have unlocked the man's obvious ability. 18 million quid says Hughes thinks he's the man to run the show in the middle of the park Exactly. Why do people make a drama saying he's leaving when you've had the chairman in the week saying be patient with him, and the manager yesterday saying he'll soon be starting games. There's spurs players that cost about 30m when they sold bale that took about 2 years to adapt, but ours has to hit the ground running. It's completely different for a club like us though, especially when they're your record signing. He's not going to be sold but let's not kid ourselves that we thought 10 months down the line we'd be in this situation with him. That's just head in the sand nonsense. |
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Post by mattador78 on Oct 16, 2016 8:57:49 GMT
Saw him taking a fitness test before the game seemed to have a an issue
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 16, 2016 8:58:26 GMT
His time will come, if he has the character to overcome being put to one side and fight his way back into the team.
The priority at the moment is to get out of the relegation zone which means trying to keep clean sheets. Whelan and Cameron are doing a good job and there is only 1 place available for a creative mid-fielder and Allen has grabbed it with both hands.In due course there will be injuries, suspensions, Allen will need resting and chances will come. Imbula needs to be ready with the right attitude and in cracking form when that chance comes.
What we paid is history and not worth dwelling on. The big 6 clubs waste £100m s on players, and just look at what Newcastle spent last year only to get relegated. We are a "top ten" club these last few seasons and we can expect to sometimes pay out big money on a player and it doesn't work out. We will have few bargains like Allen is proving to be.
If we secure a top class defensive mid-fielder. which PC has said the club is after, to play in front of the back 4 then we may be in a situation to play 2 box to box mid-fielders and we could have a fantastic team.
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