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Post by lordeffinghamhunt on Oct 5, 2016 12:09:48 GMT
We've not had a player come through the ranks since we've been in the premier league. This as got to one of the worse statistics in the league. Whatever clown who is in charge of it is obviously not up to the job. I bet we spend 100s of thousands a year on it and for what? We never get to see any of them, in fact nobody as ever heard of them, they don't win anything, they can't even get an average result against what is nothing more than a pub side last night.
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Post by lordeffinghamhunt on Oct 5, 2016 12:17:48 GMT
And while I'm at it our scouting network at youth and grassroots level is pretty shit as well
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2016 12:21:31 GMT
Don't talk bollocks, we have got a couple of the hottest prospects in Europe in our academy.
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Post by jezzascfc on Oct 5, 2016 12:23:05 GMT
Ngoy, Verlinden, Sorensen, Silva, Abdallah........I could go on. There is rich promise for the future, although I will give you the past bad record!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 5, 2016 12:27:35 GMT
What I don’t get is the complete reluctance to loan some of the better ones out. Shenton for instance wants to play proper football, would benefit from proper football and has clearly regressed (or not made the natural improvement you would expect) playing the insipid shit he does week in week out.
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 5, 2016 12:50:33 GMT
What is the official expectation of "product" from the academy.
I believe the success rate of young players entering the game and reaching the top flight is very low. Therefore we should not expect the academy to be like an academic academy or indeed a horticultural nursery where you expect a high success rate from "seeds sown". it is probably more like a lottery where you make continuous investment in the hope that you will have the occasional winner.
There is also the question of age. The academy is largely youngsters. Very few youngsters progress into the top flight as teenagers. If I remember rightly most of the great players we produced in the 60s like Smith, Pejic, and Marsh were into their 20s before they became established in the first team.
Can someone throw more light on this?
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Post by wuzza on Oct 5, 2016 12:56:22 GMT
Considering we have been bringing in players from all over the globe including Madrid, Barca etc for a number of years now I would say that at best it has been underwhelming.
I know the mantra is 'wait a few years' etc etc but frankly we still seem to be a million miles away from some of the excellent academies that produce at least one new first teamer season after season.
Hell of a lot of money gone into this cause - is the coaching set up all it should be??
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Oct 5, 2016 13:05:09 GMT
We've not had a player come through the ranks since we've been in the premier league. This as got to one of the worse statistics in the league. Whatever clown who is in charge of it is obviously not up to the job. I bet we spend 100s of thousands a year on it and for what? We never get to see any of them, in fact nobody as ever heard of them, they don't win anything, they can't even get an average result against what is nothing more than a pub side last night. half of the side weren't even academy players but first team subs which is the massively confusing part. I see any academy as having 2 possibilities of "succeeding": 1) the ideal - producing players who progress and end up playing in our first team 2) the alternative - spot young, promising talent who may not make the grade for the Prem but can still be sold on to other teams for a profit It's therefore not an all out disaster if we never see any of them playing at the Brit......having said that (and as momo alludes to further up), neither of those options are even a possibility anyway unless those players are given chance to progress, the incentive to progress and can be spotted by other teams even if they're not good enough for our first team. We're not loaning them out to gain experience and give other teams the chance to try before they buy or to gain experience to push them on for us (as momo said), we don't seem to be seeing any break through as a consequence of that, they're therefore obviously not at a stage where they're ready for us and, when given a chance to play a competitive game to try to progress them (e.g last night) half of them are cast aside to give the first team subs a run out instead. seems a bit of an all round shambles at the moment. |
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Post by Northy on Oct 5, 2016 13:05:11 GMT
We've not had a player come through the ranks since we've been in the premier league. This as got to one of the worse statistics in the league. Whatever clown who is in charge of it is obviously not up to the job. I bet we spend 100s of thousands a year on it and for what? We never get to see any of them, in fact nobody as ever heard of them, they don't win anything, they can't even get an average result against what is nothing more than a pub side last night. Spoken like somebody who has his finger on the pulse and knows all about the current age groups, the coaches and and players in them ..... |
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Oct 5, 2016 13:17:45 GMT
We've not had a player come through the ranks since we've been in the premier league. This as got to one of the worse statistics in the league. Whatever clown who is in charge of it is obviously not up to the job. I bet we spend 100s of thousands a year on it and for what? We never get to see any of them, in fact nobody as ever heard of them, they don't win anything, they can't even get an average result against what is nothing more than a pub side last night. The whole club seems to be in a downward spiral at the moment the first team squad is the best we have ever had ( Coates words not mine ) but can,t seem to play together or win a game. I am not convinced by sundays result either as for the academy that seems to be a waste of time & money as you say we never see them coming through or given a chance by being loaned out. And yes last night was a very poor result considering the side we put out things are not good at the moment all through the club so it seems. |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Oct 5, 2016 13:19:00 GMT
I think I heard on 'Sunday Sports' a few years ago it could to take up to 8 years before 'The Academy' produced first team 'EPL' players. Early days yet?
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 5, 2016 13:41:38 GMT
I think I heard on 'Sunday Sports' a few years ago it could to take up to 8 years before 'The Academy' produced first team 'EPL' players. Early days yet? Stoke's academy has been up and running about 16 years, they have produced one regular PL player Ryan Shotton says all you need to know, the man who was bought in from Lilleshall was Keith Leighton he laid the foundations again says all you knee to know. |
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Post by cooper67 on Oct 5, 2016 13:42:35 GMT
I think I heard on 'Sunday Sports' a few years ago it could to take up to 8 years before 'The Academy' produced first team 'EPL' players. Early days yet? Well we have been in the Premier League (I hate it when posters call it the EPL) 8 1/2 years and we are still nowhere near producing a 1st team regular. |
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Post by The Stubborn Optimist on Oct 5, 2016 13:56:17 GMT
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Oct 5, 2016 13:56:39 GMT
Been saying for years the Academy is a complete waste of time and resources.
All that matters is the first team, nothing else and with the money now lavished on the Premier League this should be used in an enriched European coaching system not wasted on young players who in probability won't get anywhere near a Premier League first eleven.
The first team needs players NOW, not in 8 years time.
Let the relatively poor European clubs develop the players for us, because essentially that's what's happening now and then bring in the ready made product who can hit the ground running.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 5, 2016 13:58:35 GMT
It's all Pulis's fault 🤔
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Oct 5, 2016 14:03:03 GMT
I blame Dave Kitson!  |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 5, 2016 14:03:57 GMT
What does that mean in reality though?
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Post by Stoke711 on Oct 5, 2016 14:10:56 GMT
We've not had a player come through the ranks since we've been in the premier league. This as got to one of the worse statistics in the league. Whatever clown who is in charge of it is obviously not up to the job. I bet we spend 100s of thousands a year on it and for what? We never get to see any of them, in fact nobody as ever heard of them, they don't win anything, they can't even get an average result against what is nothing more than a pub side last night. 1st goal was one of the kids trying to play a back pass and just put them 1 on 1 with the keeper. Played with 10 men for 75 mins after thsy. But I wasn't there so can't comment on a game I know nothing about apart from the score and seen the goals. |
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Post by nutterpotter on Oct 5, 2016 14:16:16 GMT
Posted this on another thread yesterday:
Our recent spending will have the biggest impact on the younger age groups. Our U11s (think it was them) were unlucky to lose 1-0 to Real Madrid at the end of last season. It will be another few years until we start to see these younger players pushing through and then we can finally see if there have been any improvements or not.
We've currently got 5 or 6 academy players training with the first team on a regular basis. Verlinden is only 17 and was on the bench for the first team the other week. He's currently with the Belgium U19s squad. N'Goy is only 18 and has been in and around the first team matchday squad. Same can be said of Taylor. Hopefully with a few of the older first team players moving on next summer, a few of the youth players will be a regular part of the matchday squad next season.
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Post by jezzascfc on Oct 5, 2016 14:22:34 GMT
Been saying for years the Academy is a complete waste of time and resources. All that matters is the first team, nothing else and with the money now lavished on the Premier League this should be used in an enriched European coaching system not wasted on young players who in probability won't get anywhere near a Premier League first eleven. The first team needs players NOW, not in 8 years time. Let the relatively poor European clubs develop the players for us, because essentially that's what's happening now and then bring in the ready made product who can hit the ground running. Is that you, Tony "Front of House" Pulis? |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 5, 2016 14:34:22 GMT
Been saying for years the Academy is a complete waste of time and resources. All that matters is the first team, nothing else and with the money now lavished on the Premier League this should be used in an enriched European coaching system not wasted on young players who in probability won't get anywhere near a Premier League first eleven. The first team needs players NOW, not in 8 years time. Let the relatively poor European clubs develop the players for us, because essentially that's what's happening now and then bring in the ready made product who can hit the ground running. Is that you, Tony "Front of House" Pulis? To be fair Jezza, Hughes is every bit a 'front of house man' without the crass comments. He doesn't give a cows arse about youth. |
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Post by viewfromasofa on Oct 5, 2016 14:37:04 GMT
Shenton should be at Oldham,bury or Tranmere,let him choose tough up or get out prove himself as should at lot of the hangers on on £5-9 grand a week doing nothing. But looking at there next car purchase 8 million pound wasted in 3 years,shocking. By all at stoke
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Oct 5, 2016 14:43:21 GMT
Verlinden, N'Goy, Taylor, Telford and Lecygne certainly seem exciting prospects.
Compare this to a couple of years ago when we had Salif Diao-Jimenez and Nathaniel Wedderburn, it's getting there Lord Eff but it's going to take another few years yet, the indefensible neglect of the academy means it's still behind where it should be, but at least the efforts are being made to rectify this.
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Post by samba :) on Oct 5, 2016 14:46:45 GMT
Shotton?
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Post by roostershair on Oct 5, 2016 15:16:41 GMT
I blame Dave Kitson! Hughes as well! Don't forget Hughes!  |
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Post by llyodc on Oct 5, 2016 15:18:55 GMT
hughes thinks for the now. he never plans for future. which is why were in the state were in.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 5, 2016 15:28:20 GMT
Shenton should be at Oldham,bury or Tranmere,let him choose tough up or get out prove himself as should at lot of the hangers on on £5-9 grand a week doing nothing. But looking at there next car purchase 8 million pound wasted in 3 years,shocking. By all at stoke Shenton has been outright refused a loan by the club on more than one occasion. To what ends I have no idea. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 5, 2016 15:30:26 GMT
the indefensible neglect of the academy means it's still behind where it should be, Where's your order of blame here? Coates Gislason Scholes Pulis Hughes ? |
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Post by viewfromasofa on Oct 5, 2016 15:31:35 GMT
Send our 18\19 players out on loan to league 2 teams arsenal,Chelsea,both manc teams. Do it,builds character,life skills and respect for others not involved in the premiership bandwagon,
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