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Post by Gods on Sept 25, 2016 17:23:56 GMT
30/1 according to our shirt and stadium sponsors Bet65. We are 3/1 to be relegated and Vale 10/1 to be promoted so if my maths is correct its a 30/1 shot with Coates betting outfit. I am just trying to internalise that information to guage how worried, if at all, I should be  |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 25, 2016 17:25:46 GMT
Wow.
Now that has scared me.
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Post by Waggy on Sept 25, 2016 17:28:41 GMT
4-0 stoke
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 25, 2016 17:33:48 GMT
30/1 according to Bet65. We are 3/1 to be relegated and Vale 10/1 to be promoted so if my maths is correct its a 30/1 shot with Coates outfit. I am just trying to internalise that information to guage how worried, if at all, I should be Your maths is wrong. One English pound on that double would return you forty-four English pounds  |
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Post by Davef on Sept 25, 2016 17:34:53 GMT
Seriously Gods, is there anything you don't worry about?!
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Post by bertiestan on Sept 25, 2016 17:42:14 GMT
The thought crossed my mind the other day tbh n then I thought nah we'll be ok there'll be 3 worse teams this year, vale might make the play offs but nothing more imo.
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Post by Gods on Sept 25, 2016 17:56:14 GMT
Seriously Gods, is there anything you don't worry about?! No I don't think so, I like to cover off all potential calamities  |
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Post by keasie1863 on Sept 25, 2016 18:03:10 GMT
Not a chance, should be 1000/1.
Fucking dingle berries!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 18:08:03 GMT
Not a chance, should be 1000/1. Fucking dingle berries!! People have gone way beyond knicker wetting. We are now literally gushing...the floodgates are wide open and pouring with this nonsense. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 18:29:17 GMT
West Ham and Sunderland already shaping up to be worse than us. Not going to happen.
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Post by scfcmacca on Sept 25, 2016 18:31:57 GMT
Odds only reflect what has been bet on recently.
So this tells me people have lumped on Stoke going down and a few have had a bet on vale going up.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 18:44:55 GMT
What are the odds of not being relegated? Better than 30/1 i hope
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Post by peterthornesboots on Sept 25, 2016 22:55:59 GMT
I don't think that we need to worry just yet.
We will stay up this season, whether Hughes is manager or not come the summer is another matter.
As for Vale, they can't win away from home and their foreign legion need's to navigate a packed Christmas / New Year schedule (which they aren't used to). They'll drop a lot of points over that period.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 23:00:52 GMT
30/1 according to our shirt and stadium sponsors Bet65. We are 3/1 to be relegated and Vale 10/1 to be promoted so if my maths is correct its a 30/1 shot with Coates betting outfit. I am just trying to internalise that information to guage how worried, if at all, I should be What are you drinking Gods ? |
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Post by auntiegeorge on Sept 26, 2016 5:32:11 GMT
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 26, 2016 5:48:58 GMT
More chance of re joining Europe
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 7:38:17 GMT
I bet this is the closest, in terms of teams between us, we have been for years, 30 ish places...Not good...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 7:48:23 GMT
Stoke
West Brom
Vale
Wolves
Birmingham
Villa
Forest
Derby
Burton
Sheff Utd
Sheff Wed
Could all possibly be in the same league next season.
All within an hour or so...
Not that I want us to go down but still, some crackers there.
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Post by roostershair on Sept 26, 2016 9:17:22 GMT
More chance of the Beatles getting back together
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Post by nott1 on Sept 26, 2016 10:03:03 GMT
No chance!
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Post by kustokie on Sept 26, 2016 10:42:20 GMT
West Ham and Sunderland already shaping up to be worse than us. Not going to happen. That would have has finishing 18th, then! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 12:32:40 GMT
30/1 according to our shirt and stadium sponsors Bet65. We are 3/1 to be relegated and Vale 10/1 to be promoted so if my maths is correct its a 30/1 shot with Coates betting outfit. I am just trying to internalise that information to guage how worried, if at all, I should be Take a deep breath. Worrying is bad for you. Worrying about nothing is worse. |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Sept 26, 2016 14:53:30 GMT
30/1 according to our shirt and stadium sponsors Bet65. We are 3/1 to be relegated and Vale 10/1 to be promoted so if my maths is correct its a 30/1 shot with Coates betting outfit. I am just trying to internalise that information to guage how worried, if at all, I should be It's years since I did serious statistics but Stoke getting relegated and the Vale getting promoted are independent events and not conditional on each other. Therefore, you cannot compute the chances of Stoke and the Vale being in The Championship together using multiplication as you did?! |
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Post by Gods on Sept 26, 2016 15:02:24 GMT
30/1 according to our shirt and stadium sponsors Bet65. We are 3/1 to be relegated and Vale 10/1 to be promoted so if my maths is correct its a 30/1 shot with Coates betting outfit. I am just trying to internalise that information to guage how worried, if at all, I should be It's years since I did serious statistics but Stoke getting relegated and the Vale getting promoted are independent events and not conditional on each other. Therefore, you cannot compute the chances of Stoke and the Vale being in The Championship together using multiplication as you did?! I agree they are mutually exclusive events but I don't believe that means you can't calculate the possibility of both occurring concurrently. I think I have it near enough right although DC's calculation of £44 on a £1 stake may be correct in gambling terms. I think he does 4/1 x 11/1 rather than 3/1 x 10/1 as I did, essentially I think he has 4 and 11 rather than 3 and 10 since you also get your stake back hence the +1 if that makes any sense. |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 26, 2016 15:09:02 GMT
I think I have it near enough right although DC's calculation of £44 on a £1 stake may be correct in gambling terms. I think he does 4/1 x 11/1 rather than 3/1 x 10/1 as I did, essentially I think he has 4 and 11 rather than 3 and 10 since you also get your stake back hence the +1 if that makes any sense. Indeed. In terms of a bet you'd be placing your £1 on the 3/1 shot, and when it wins you'd 'win' £3 plus 'return' your £1 stake. This would then carry over onto the 10/1, so you'd be in effect placing £4 on the 10/1 shot, so you'd 'win' £40 plus 'return' your stake of £4. Equals £44 return for a £1 outlay. |
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Sept 26, 2016 15:19:36 GMT
It's years since I did serious statistics but Stoke getting relegated and the Vale getting promoted are independent events and not conditional on each other. Therefore, you cannot compute the chances of Stoke and the Vale being in The Championship together using multiplication as you did?! I agree they are mutually exclusive events but I don't believe that means you can't calculate the possibility of both occurring concurrently. I think I have it near enough right although DC's calculation of £44 on a £1 stake may be correct in gambling terms. I think he does 4/1 x 11/1 rather than 3/1 x 10/1 as I did, essentially I think he has 4 and 11 rather than 3 and 10 since you also get your stake back hence the +1 if that makes any sense. of course you can calculate the chance of both happening concurrently...but not simply by taking the odds of 2 completely unrelated events and putting them together. it's like saying the odds of me getting hit by a plane is 10,000/1* and the odds of me landing on the moon is 1,000,000/1* so therefore you just put them together to come up with the odds of me getting hit by a plane whilst on the moon. just doesn't work that way *i'm well aware they wouldn't be accurate odds before anyone takes the piss  |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 26, 2016 15:25:12 GMT
it's like saying the odds of me getting hit by a plane is 10,000/1* and the odds of me landing on the moon is 1,000,000/1* so therefore you just put them together to come up with the odds of me getting hit by a plane whilst on the moon. just doesn't work that way *i'm well aware they wouldn't be accurate odds before anyone takes the piss Depends who you're betting with, Mick. Some of them would give you 7/1 on the plane & 12/1 on the moon... Limited to a 50p e/w stake  |
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Sept 26, 2016 15:27:57 GMT
it's like saying the odds of me getting hit by a plane is 10,000/1* and the odds of me landing on the moon is 1,000,000/1* so therefore you just put them together to come up with the odds of me getting hit by a plane whilst on the moon. just doesn't work that way *i'm well aware they wouldn't be accurate odds before anyone takes the piss Depends who you're betting with, Mick. Some of them would give you 7/1 on the plane & 12/1 on the moon... Limited to a 50p e/w stake sod it then, may take a punt! any idea how long it is until Branson's company get these space planes working? |
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Post by Mendicant on Sept 26, 2016 18:05:37 GMT
Imagine Bojan playing at Vale Park? It would be like Frank Sinatra busking.
Those unwashed Burslem trolls don't derserve to live within a few miles of us let alone watch our players unless the sight of red and white gives them a migraine.
I bloody hate the Vale I do.
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Post by pmjh on Sept 26, 2016 19:26:13 GMT
When calculating the probability of independent events you use the And rule and multiply the probabilities together. When gambling you get your stake back, so 4 x 11 = 44. You have to subtract your initial pound bet meaning the odds are 43:1
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