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Post by cousindupree on Sept 22, 2016 19:57:02 GMT
Especially at Spurs and West Ham. Last season Spurs average gate was 35k, they attracted 85k for their champs league match v Monaco!
West ham av gate last season 35k this season its 57k last night attendance for the EFL game against Accrington was almost 40k !!!
What's happening in the capital? do Spurs and West Ham really have such a huge following? Or is the increase all tourists?
These numbers have surprised me, the revenue generated from this huge potential will elevate West Ham way above anyone outside of the top 6 in terms of financial muscle.
Is it just temporary? Any theories?
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Post by leicspotter on Sept 22, 2016 19:58:04 GMT
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Post by robstokie on Sept 22, 2016 20:01:06 GMT
Especially at Spurs and West Ham. Last season Spurs average gate was 35k, they attracted 85k for their champs league match v Monaco! West ham av gate last season 35k this season its 57k last night attendance for the EFL game against Accrington was almost 40k !!! What's happening in the capital? do Spurs and West Ham really have such a huge following? Or is the increase all tourists? These numbers have surprised me, the revenue generated from this huge potential will elevate West Ham way above anyone outside of the top 6 in terms of financial muscle. Is it just temporary? Any theories? Part tourists, part increased interest in both clubs after how they did last season. I cant see West Hams crowds staying at this level if they continue to struggle though.... |
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Post by Gods on Sept 22, 2016 20:13:32 GMT
2 observations, no real empirical evidence for either:
Looking around Upton Park in recent seasons I would say West Ham have done a great job of attracting the East European community perhaps put off by high pricing and general pomposity at Arsenal and Chelsea.
It's easy to understimate the number of people who live in London, I am sure I read there are 5 or 6 London Boroughs larger than Stoke-on-Trent within spitting distance of Selhurt Park. It does show the potential of Crystal Palace and it actually makes their circa 24,000 gates look very ordinairy in the circumstances.
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Post by no1972 on Sept 22, 2016 20:15:37 GMT
Spurs have always had a large fan base,but when White hart lane became all seater then there capacity was slashed so Pepole could not afford the price increases for the limited number of seats available,so the richer fans got the tickets.I don't know what the prices at Wembley were but I hope they were low so the old and young fans who cannot afford to watch Spurs in the Prem could go.
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Post by no1972 on Sept 22, 2016 20:18:38 GMT
2 observations, no real empirical evidence for either: Looking around Upton Park in recent seasons I would say West Ham have done a great job of attracting the East European community perhaps put off by high pricing and general pomposity at Arsenal and Chelsea. It's easy to understimate the number of people who live in London, I am sure I read there are 5 or 6 London Boroughs larger than Stoke-on-Trent within spitting distance of Selhurt Park. It does show the potential of Crystal Palace and it actually makes their circa 24,000 gates look very ordinairy in the circumstances. When I was working in East Ham the population was 90% Asian.Then just down the road at Hornchurch a complete oppersition very right wing. |
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Post by Royal Donut on Sept 22, 2016 20:22:36 GMT
If we expanded we would get around 500,000, even though stoke on Trent and the surrounding area is around 350,000, so why don't we get all these comers filled in, I mean no one has even mentioned it, sorry its been a long day  |
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Post by freddowling on Sept 22, 2016 20:24:40 GMT
Both clubs have massive support
Home and away
West ham never regarded as big club but they have always had big support
When it was announced west ham moving to Olympic stadium I said they would fill it but a hammers fan said they wouldnt
Fantastic crowd there last night
Liverpool had 2500 to 3000 under capacity in first game with extra tier
Be interesting to see how many times they fill it
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Post by maninasuitcase on Sept 22, 2016 20:25:54 GMT
Spurs have always had a large fan base,but when White hart lane became all seater then there capacity was slashed so Pepole could not afford the price increases for the limited number of seats available,so the richer fans got the tickets.I don't know what the prices at Wembley were but I hope they were low so the old and young fans who cannot afford to watch Spurs in the Prem could go. They're doing a deal for the champions league, 3 homes games for £70. |
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Post by Davef on Sept 22, 2016 20:30:51 GMT
I think a population of 8,500,000 might have something to do with it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 20:37:42 GMT
I think a population of 8,500,000 might have something to do with it. That's a lot of shit every day Just saying GD |
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Post by no1972 on Sept 22, 2016 20:44:28 GMT
I think a population of 8,500,000 might have something to do with it. 6000000 of them support Arsenal don't they ,if you believe all these internet polls. |
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 22, 2016 20:51:24 GMT
I think a population of 8,500,000 might have something to do with it. Very astute smart arse.....I guess I knew that but thanks for being very informative. |
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Sept 22, 2016 21:06:22 GMT
When we used to go Fulham was always full of French, Spanish and Yanks.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 22, 2016 21:08:22 GMT
Especially at Spurs and West Ham. Last season Spurs average gate was 35k, they attracted 85k for their champs league match v Monaco! West ham av gate last season 35k this season its 57k last night attendance for the EFL game against Accrington was almost 40k !!! What's happening in the capital? do Spurs and West Ham really have such a huge following? Or is the increase all tourists? These numbers have surprised me, the revenue generated from this huge potential will elevate West Ham way above anyone outside of the top 6 in terms of financial muscle. Is it just temporary? Any theories? Part tourists, part increased interest in both clubs after how they did last season. I cant see West Hams crowds staying at this level if they continue to struggle though.... West Ham are going to struggle to have any fans left if they keep fighting at the games, they'll all have banning orders by the end of the season. |
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Post by trincostokie on Sept 23, 2016 6:34:42 GMT
Perhaps West Ham's numbers might tail off a bit when the novelty of the new stadium wears off.
Spurs were always ready for 60,000+ attendances
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Post by wuzza on Sept 23, 2016 6:42:07 GMT
Massive and expanding population, lots of disposable income, football being fashionable in the middle classes, southern bias of the national media, overseas stars only wanting to live in the capital....the list goes on, frankly it would be amazing if a Premier League club based in the Smoke was not pulling in the numbers!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 9:58:01 GMT
If we expanded we would get around 500,000, even though stoke on Trent and the surrounding area is around 350,000, so why don't we get all these comers filled in, I mean no one has even mentioned it, sorry its been a long day I doubt filling the corners in would be enough for your anticipated 500,000... Which being as the population of SoT is only 350,000 that means a minimum of 150,000 Glory hunters... We'd need something 5 times the size of the Nou Camp, or 7 times bigger than OT...The traffic would be murder...If you build it they will come.... |
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Post by Royal Donut on Sept 23, 2016 10:13:04 GMT
If we expanded we would get around 500,000, even though stoke on Trent and the surrounding area is around 350,000, so why don't we get all these comers filled in, I mean no one has even mentioned it, sorry its been a long day I doubt filling the corners in would be enough for your anticipated 500,000... Which being as the population of SoT is only 350,000 that means a minimum of 150,000 Glory hunters... We'd need something 5 times the size of the Nou Camp, or 7 times bigger than OT...The traffic would be murder...If you build it they will come.... Oh yh traffic, fuck it then,,,, or we could come to some arrangement where everyone uses push bikes. |
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Sept 23, 2016 10:18:32 GMT
erm...isn't it quite simple????
Spurs avg. attendance was 35k....at a ground where the capacity was 36k
West Ham avg. attendance was 35k...at a ground where capacity was 35k
they both now have larger grounds to use, so more fans can actually go. am i missing something cos it seems fairly obvious really?
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Post by flea79 on Sept 23, 2016 10:23:17 GMT
When we used to go Fulham was always full of French, Spanish and Yanks. does Fulham still have the neutral tourist section? |
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Post by podolipotter on Sept 23, 2016 10:45:39 GMT
You have all missed the obvious answer. United are not playing well so their Southern supporters are going elsewhere..........
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Sept 23, 2016 10:49:59 GMT
You have all missed the obvious answer. United are not playing well so their Southern supporters are going elsewhere.......... or they always had that many fans but most couldn't go as their grounds were too small? pretty sure that's kinda the reason West Ham got a bigger ground and the reason Spurs are building a bigger ground. they wouldn't both want bigger grounds if they didn't know beforehand there would be demand for tickets to actually fill them |
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Post by hammered on Sept 23, 2016 11:24:02 GMT
Both Spurs and WHU have always had regular support bases which exceed the capacities of the old Boleyn and WHL and even pricing it out of the comfortable reach of the traditional working class bloke didn't stop those grounds being full every week.
I was always hopeful WHU would find enough extra support when we moved and 52000 season tickets sold (for two years) makes us 2nd behind Man U suggesting it was always out there. Some of those tickets have been bought by agencies I guess looking to bring tourists but a small proportion overall etc... but there is a big jump in youth season ticket support due to keener pricing (still more than Stoke btw) - but build/it convert it and they will come.
As for the stadium and the existing support issues with sit-down/stand-up, zero security, poor segregation, cinema ushers as stewards and run by a 3rd party - well the true test of this idea will get played out when we face Chelsea in the ELC. Bring your gum-shield me thinks.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 23, 2016 11:33:08 GMT
Both Spurs and WHU have always had regular support bases which exceed the capacities of the old Boleyn and WHL and even pricing it out of the comfortable reach of the traditional working class bloke didn't stop those grounds being full every week. I was always hopeful WHU would find enough extra support when we moved and 52000 season tickets sold (for two years) makes us 2nd behind Man U suggesting it was always out there. Some of those tickets have been bought by agencies I guess looking to bring tourists but a small proportion overall etc... but there is a big jump in youth season ticket support due to keener pricing (still more than Stoke btw) - but build/it convert it and they will come. As for the stadium and the existing support issues with sit-down/stand-up, zero security, poor segregation, cinema ushers as stewards and run by a 3rd party - well the true test of this idea will get played out when we face Chelsea in the ELC. Bring your gum-shield me thinks. What is going on with all the fighting? Is it just away fans getting in the West Ham or are there fights amongst your own as well? |
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Post by Kjones9 on Sept 23, 2016 11:34:32 GMT
well the true test of this idea will get played out when we face Chelsea in the ELC. Think of the children... Literally. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 11:35:06 GMT
I doubt filling the corners in would be enough for your anticipated 500,000... Which being as the population of SoT is only 350,000 that means a minimum of 150,000 Glory hunters... We'd need something 5 times the size of the Nou Camp, or 7 times bigger than OT...The traffic would be murder...If you build it they will come.... Oh yh traffic, fuck it then,,,, or we could come to some arrangement where everyone uses push bikes. Not sure if there are 500,000 Bicycles in Stoke...I know there are 5 million in Beijing...Maybe that's where your 470,000 extra fans are coming from... |
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Post by hammered on Sept 23, 2016 12:45:16 GMT
Jermaine/Pwingy - There was another thread on here discussing the OS issues but in a nut-shell as follows:
1. Much of the lower tier support at the Boleyn after seating was installed used to stand whole match (they were allowed) and those supporters still want to stand at the new place. But with supporters all mixed up in one huge east side home stand (where most of the issues are) this clash of sit/stand viewing culture is causing friction and the odd fracas. Mixed up in this are of course families and kids that generally wouldn't want an "old days" experience.
The club have told ALL the support to sit ALL game - for two reasons - while the sit/stand stuff is going on they can't get the safety certificate to use all of the 60,000 capacity (currently limited to 57000 but will be 67000 next season). And it's against the law. Currently overall it's being ignored or protested against despite many fans been ejected, so they have offered migration within the stadium for those affected and supporter groups are in discussion with the club for safe standing - we'll see.
The problem is exacerbated by stewards completely out of their depth to manage a football crowd, most, have no affinity to the club and who's job description doesn't include re-educating thoroughly refreshed Essex lads on how they should watch football!!
The segregation issue is more concerning IMO. You can reach anywhere in the ground from point of entry (once you know the routes) and the security as things stand won't cope with a big firm from somewhere else deciding to create a headline. Additionally the old-bill's radios won't work in the stadium apparently so they're not policing inside either.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 13:36:35 GMT
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Post by Royal Donut on Sept 23, 2016 23:03:42 GMT
Oh yh traffic, fuck it then,,,, or we could come to some arrangement where everyone uses push bikes. Not sure if there are 500,000 Bicycles in Stoke...I know there are 5 million in Beijing...Maybe that's where your 470,000 extra fans are coming from... Nice one I like your working with me  |
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