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Post by jamie75 on Sept 22, 2016 17:31:03 GMT
Am I right in thinking we only had 2 points after 5 games last season?
Are we panicking a little too much? Win on Saturday and were a point better off than last season after game week 6.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 17:36:19 GMT
And if we lose we are 2 points worse off, and 1 if we draw.
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Post by stokiesteve on Sept 22, 2016 17:36:42 GMT
I think our goal difference is marginally worse than last year
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 22, 2016 17:38:34 GMT
It's a good stat but things feel different this time around.
I'm currently praying three times a day asking for Hughes to turn it around. He'll have to go if we lose on Saturday IMHO.
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Post by dwr17477 on Sept 22, 2016 18:10:23 GMT
Very different this time. We had only conceded 7 goals in those five matches compared to 15 this season. Add to that the run from the last few months of last season and it looks awful...it is awful.
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Post by no1972 on Sept 22, 2016 18:10:24 GMT
You are right we did start slowly last season,but this loss of form is more than 5 games.We have benn poor for the last 15+ games.We were lucky we had points in the bag last season,which gave us a chance to put the problems right,which we have not.
Our 1st chocie keeper injured 2nd chocie was no good.Nothing done.
Our 1st chocie RB injured .Nothing done.
Our 1st chocie CH injured ,get rid of his partner and bring in a unknown.
No pace on the wing,missed out on Redmond.Did we bid for Moses?
No goal scorer pissed around all summer then brought a Man city reject in who looks so out of touch.
We had plenty of time to put these issuse right,the management team and club have not.
If we are still near the bottom in January who would come to the club unless we spent stupid money on wages.
I worry we have been overtaken by a lot of clubs.
Last year I would say we were a time between 8-13.
Now 20-15
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 22, 2016 18:18:02 GMT
You are right we did start slowly last season,but this loss of form is more than 5 games.We have benn poor for the last 15+ games.We were lucky we had points in the bag last season,which gave us a chance to put the problems right,which we have not. Our 1st chocie keeper injured 2nd chocie was no good.Nothing done. Our 1st chocie RB injured .Nothing done. Our 1st chocie CH injured ,get rid of his partner and bring in a unknown. No pace on the wing,missed out on Redmond.Did we bid for Moses? No goal scorer pissed around all summer then brought a Man city reject in who looks so out of touch. We had plenty of time to put these issuse right,the management team and club have not. If we are still near the bottom in January who would come to the club unless we spent stupid money on wages. I worry we have been overtaken by a lot of clubs. Last year I would say we were a time between 8-13. Now 20-15 I don't now, I think we are more a Quarter after Three? |
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Post by Gods on Sept 22, 2016 18:18:09 GMT
Similarly woeful points total but for the reasons above it feels like we are much deeper in the brown stuff.
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Post by Bowyer83 on Sept 22, 2016 18:21:41 GMT
A win on Saturday could turn things round for us in terms of confidence especially as its against are closest Pl rivals. A clean sheet to boot will be smashing aswell.
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Post by no1972 on Sept 22, 2016 18:27:58 GMT
A win on Saturday could turn things round for us in terms of confidence especially as its against are closest Pl rivals. A clean sheet to boot will be smashing aswell. We should be streets ahead of them,if they keep there manager they will kick and scrap there way to safety ,I don't know if we have the players or management who can do that. I would like us to get out of this hole by playing good football,but first we need to scrap. |
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Post by Billybigbollox on Sept 22, 2016 18:31:33 GMT
It's a good stat but things feel different this time around. I'm currently praying three times a day asking for Hughes to turn it around. He'll have to go if we lose on Saturday IMHO. I think you're right Pugs. I hope he can turn things round, but I think we are in deep deep doggie doos. |
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 22, 2016 19:56:01 GMT
You are right we did start slowly last season,but this loss of form is more than 5 games.We have benn poor for the last 15+ games.We were lucky we had points in the bag last season,which gave us a chance to put the problems right,which we have not. Our 1st chocie keeper injured 2nd chocie was no good.Nothing done. Our 1st chocie RB injured .Nothing done. Our 1st chocie CH injured ,get rid of his partner and bring in a unknown. No pace on the wing,missed out on Redmond.Did we bid for Moses? No goal scorer pissed around all summer then brought a Man city reject in who looks so out of touch. We had plenty of time to put these issuse right,the management team and club have not. If we are still near the bottom in January who would come to the club unless we spent stupid money on wages. I worry we have been overtaken by a lot of clubs. Last year I would say we were a time between 8-13. Now 20-15 Spot on all those issues and more have not been addressed despite having plenty of time and money available, Hughes has put is in this position and it appears he does not have the ability or know how to rectify it, he has neglected important areas in the team which have now been exposed. |
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Post by right on Sept 22, 2016 20:15:09 GMT
Last season Butland stole a couple of those points for us early on. We certainly miss him now, but we've seen stretches of poor form as a team like this before.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Sept 22, 2016 20:19:38 GMT
Am I right in thinking we only had 2 points after 5 games last season? Are we panicking a little too much? Win on Saturday and were a point better off than last season after game week 6. Good to see we are setting our targets to improve season on season - not a good KPI to get more than 2 points after 5 games - what's next 4 points after 10; 8 after 20. Let's just be honest; it's been really poor so far and we expect better. MH knows exactly what he needs to deliver and it's not 1point from 5 |
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Post by Royal Donut on Sept 22, 2016 20:25:59 GMT
It's a good stat but things feel different this time around. I'm currently praying three times a day asking for Hughes to turn it around. He'll have to go if we lose on Saturday IMHO. Unfortunately I might have to agree, but I really want him to stay, but I just don't think we have choice any more. |
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Post by swampySCFC on Sept 22, 2016 20:30:37 GMT
Difficult start. Point at Middlesboro narrow defeat at Everton, heavy defeats at home to two good sides. I can live with that but the defeat at Palace was unacceptable.
Watford beat the shit 3-1. These are the kind of results that will keep a club up. We've done it in the past but don't look like we have to noddle to do similar this season
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Post by Numismatist on Sept 22, 2016 21:08:41 GMT
The two points we had last season: Norwich swamped us for an hour after the water break and we were only saved by Jack. Spurs should also have gone beyond recall before the comeback.
Before playing Bournemouth on 26th September, they were 9/2 for relegation and we were 2/1. Remember this as had a decent bet on them to go down as thought the price was too big. We're bigger odds to be relegated at the moment than the same stage last year.
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Post by fortressbritannia on Sept 22, 2016 21:46:24 GMT
Last season we still look hard to beat (admittedly down mostly to Butland) but we still grindeed out results.
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Post by alster on Sept 23, 2016 7:36:06 GMT
Its what fans do isn't it. Personally I think we'll be ok but we've under invested and invested quite badly by the looks of things. I think we've also handed out too many contracts to ageing players when we should have been clearing them out and using the budget to replace them. It would be nice if we could learn our lesson with a bit of a fright rather than paying the ultimate price. Its clear that the squad is a mess and needs to be re balanced.
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Post by stokebloke on Sept 23, 2016 7:54:29 GMT
You are right we did start slowly last season,but this loss of form is more than 5 games.We have benn poor for the last 15+ games.We were lucky we had points in the bag last season,which gave us a chance to put the problems right,which we have not. Our 1st chocie keeper injured 2nd chocie was no good.Nothing done. Our 1st chocie RB injured .Nothing done. Our 1st chocie CH injured ,get rid of his partner and bring in a unknown. No pace on the wing,missed out on Redmond.Did we bid for Moses? No goal scorer pissed around all summer then brought a Man city reject in who looks so out of touch. We had plenty of time to put these issuse right,the management team and club have not. If we are still near the bottom in January who would come to the club unless we spent stupid money on wages. I worry we have been overtaken by a lot of clubs. Last year I would say we were a time between 8-13. Now 20-15 Marshall who hull signed from Cardiff in the summer would of been an excellent purchase...we missed out big time there. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 8:22:01 GMT
Its what fans do isn't it. Personally I think we'll be ok but we've under invested and invested quite badly by the looks of things. I think we've also handed out too many contracts to ageing players when we should have been clearing them out and using the budget to replace them. It would be nice if we could learn our lesson with a bit of a fright rather than paying the ultimate price. Its clear that the squad is a mess and needs to be re balanced. Bit harsh on Hughes that. You are technically right but the accusation levelled at him in his last role was that he shifted players out too quickly, and as such caused problems. He's obviously taken it on board but arguably taken it too much the other way. It's hard to get the balance right at times. |
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Post by AlanHansen on Sept 23, 2016 8:34:49 GMT
Completely different this time. E.G. poor form has been for 6 months ish, not 5 games. Excuse after excuse. Players look a shadow of last few seasons. Regular 4 goal defeats. Can't score. Can't defend. Unbalanced and what looks like an unhappy squad.
No doubt we're heading out of this division fast. It's happening.
D day tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 8:37:19 GMT
It's not just 5 games though is it? We've been terrible for months now.
I want Hughes to turn it around, but he's not given me any proof that he can. The majority of his jobs end this way unfortunately.
However, I will support him until he is no longer the manager.
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Post by alster on Sept 23, 2016 8:43:52 GMT
Its what fans do isn't it. Personally I think we'll be ok but we've under invested and invested quite badly by the looks of things. I think we've also handed out too many contracts to ageing players when we should have been clearing them out and using the budget to replace them. It would be nice if we could learn our lesson with a bit of a fright rather than paying the ultimate price. Its clear that the squad is a mess and needs to be re balanced. Bit harsh on Hughes that. You are technically right but the accusation levelled at him in his last role was that he shifted players out too quickly, and as such caused problems. He's obviously taken it on board but arguably taken it too much the other way. It's hard to get the balance right at times. No I don't think its harsh, He's been here long enough to be responsible for the shape of the squad as a whole and its not in great shape. You've got too many players on big money that are not regularly seeing much pitch time, there are pronounced weakness' in the squad at GK, LB, CB, in midfield despite heavy investment the players don't seem to complement each other and the collection of strikers is a shambles that even the manager seems to have given up on apart from a loanee lacking in match sharpness. I'm not one of the usual suspects who never wanted him here. I suggested him a year or 2 before we appointed him and was ridiculed by some. I welcomed his appointment and think he's been a breath of fresh air and I really want him to turn things around. Having said that the mess is of his own making and at the moment he doesn't look like a bloke who's full of ideas. He looks helpless and confused and thats not good news. |
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Post by iglugluk on Sept 23, 2016 11:00:20 GMT
Last season Butland stole a couple of those points for us early on. We certainly miss him now, but we've seen stretches of poor form as a team like this before. Totally agree about Butland, he's a big miss, but to be honest I cannot remember a stretch of poor form like this since the first season, particularly in respect of goals conceded since the Liverpool penalties defeat. The players and management have to address this obvious issue and just pretending it isn't the case isn't what is needed. |
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Sept 23, 2016 11:08:40 GMT
It's not just 5 games though is it? We've been terrible for months now. I want Hughes to turn it around, but he's not given me any proof that he can. The majority of his jobs end this way unfortunately. However, I will support him until he is no longer the manager. i know what you're saying but.....can people stop using this phrase to make things sound even worse than they are? we've had a bad run for the last eight of last season and the first 5 this season. the 5 games before that last 8, we won 3 and drew 1...10 out of a possible 15 points and put us about 5 points off the Champs league places if i remember rightly and we had people on here fairly confident we could battle West Ham and Liverpool for the Europa league place. hardly terrible really. yes, that is technically 6 months on a calendar but the reality is that it was actually about a month at the end of last season and then this first 5 games as we didn't actually play in between  |
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Post by Theninjabadger on Sept 23, 2016 12:13:03 GMT
It's not just 5 games though is it? We've been terrible for months now. I want Hughes to turn it around, but he's not given me any proof that he can. The majority of his jobs end this way unfortunately. However, I will support him until he is no longer the manager. i know what you're saying but.....can people stop using this phrase to make things sound even worse than they are? we've had a bad run for the last eight of last season and the first 5 this season. the 5 games before that last 8, we won 3 and drew 1...10 out of a possible 15 points and put us about 5 points off the Champs league places if i remember rightly and we had people on here fairly confident we could battle West Ham and Liverpool for the Europa league place. hardly terrible really. yes, that is technically 6 months on a calendar but the reality is that it was actually about a month at the end of last season and then this first 5 games as we didn't actually play in between Absolutely correct look at the teams we were hammered by at the end of last season (results after league cup semi final) Man city, Liverpool, Spurs, Man Utd & Everton. That's 3 of the top 5, Liverpool who transformed under Klipperty and admittedly Everton were wank. In the middle of that we played well against Bournemouth, Watford and Chelsea away. Beat Villa, Newcastle and West Ham at home and should never of drew at throwing away leads against Sunderland and Swansea at home and lost after leading at Palace and lost at home to Southampton but weren't utterly wank against them. |
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Post by PB1863 on Sept 23, 2016 12:57:34 GMT
On the BBC site
'But, down the years we have seen that Stoke's owners do not panic - they did not win until their seventh game of last season, when they went on to finish ninth.
If they were to win on Saturday, they would have a better record after six games than they did then.'
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Post by AlanHansen on Sept 23, 2016 13:23:40 GMT
On the BBC site 'But, down the years we have seen that Stoke's owners do not panic - they did not win until their seventh game of last season, when they went on to finish ninth. If they were to win on Saturday, they would have a better record after six games than they did then.' It's not the effing same. Jesus wept. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 23, 2016 13:30:46 GMT
Am I right in thinking we only had 2 points after 5 games last season? Are we panicking a little too much? Win on Saturday and were a point better off than last season after game week 6. Its not just about this season. |
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