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Post by wearestoke80 on Sept 17, 2016 17:42:05 GMT
Mark Hughes is a far superior manager than Pulis. Although, Pulis is good at getting results. Hughes is a preformance manager. Hughes has been neither for a while now, which is a concern, but let's hope it changes tomorrow for the sake of his job.
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Post by burge2u on Sept 17, 2016 18:50:33 GMT
Mark Hughes has appointed better technical players than his predecessor, but they are not as effective as a unit. There is (quite rightly) lots of concern about the way we defend especially after conceding 8 goals in the last two home matches. However, I'm as equally concerned about the way we attack. Our wide players (Arnie, Shaq etc) cut in early. This makes us very narrow up front & in my opinion very easy to mark up by opposing defenders. Contrast the four Spurs goals against us, which came from wide players who'd gone to the by-line before cutting a pass back to incoming runners. This had our defenders turning in all directions. I'm not particularly a fan of Kyle Walker, but I have to say I was very impressed with the speed that he was able to get up & down the pitch. In conclusion, I don't think that Mark Hughes has signed the wrong players, it's just that we are playing the wrong style, which makes us very predictable. Hughes keeps adding more players (partly to replace players that he signed and bombed like Wollsheidt, Teixiera and Joselu) but his style doesn't change. He's obsessed by 4-2-3-1 with inverted wingers because it's all he knows. He has no back-up plan and once the opposition gets on top he's out of ideas. He fiddled with 3-5-2 during the off-season and it was hopeless. We almost lost to Orlando for crying out loud! I know the score doesn't mean much in the pre-season but how we looked says a lot. We looked like a pub team that had got together for the first time. I understand we lost Shawcross to injury; but all teams have injuries and to be so dependent on one player is not going to cut it in this league. "inverted wingers", ......... That's the phrase I was looking for. I don't think that inverted wingers are working, it makes us very narrow up front & in my opinion it makes us very easy to defend against. We make opposing defenders look good.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 17, 2016 18:53:08 GMT
Inverted wingers are only useful if you have good attacking fullbacks and we have 1 (who happens to have been injured for months).. I'm not qualified to tell Hughes how to do his job but a blind man could've seen we needed new fullbacks.
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Post by hchpotter on Sept 17, 2016 19:14:23 GMT
With a bit of luck tomorrow we'll view this as the weekend it turned for us. All 3 promoted teams lost. West Ham's defence looks shot. Bournemouth have been battered. Watford and Sunderland have difficult fixtures. We can move above Southampton or Swansea.
Hopefully we'll see Johnson back tomorrow and Ramadan might get the chance to remind us what true wingers look like. Shawcross and Bruno will begin to form a solid partnership. Imbula will dominate. Bit of magic from Arnie. Wilf and Bojan to hit it off.
We've got the players - we just need them to gel.
And then squabbles on the Oatcake will be a distant memory😉
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 17, 2016 19:32:44 GMT
Inverted wingers are only useful if you have good attacking fullbacks and we have 1 (who happens to have been injured for months).. I'm not qualified to tell Hughes how to do his job but a blind man could've seen we needed new fullbacks. You don't need to be qualified to see we needed new fullbacks that fitted the system the manager has chosen to play, he seems to have scrapped the ball playing CB that he built his defence on , hopefully he will scrap the attacking full back bull shit next as the players he has bought in are not capable of doing the job. Our defence including the GK's are a disaster at the moment, let's see how the players respond to Hughes tomorrow it may well be his last opportunity to sort it, the Chairman has come out publicly to criticise the team and issued a veiled threat to Mark and his team, he has seen enough as we have since February.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 17, 2016 19:45:52 GMT
Inverted wingers are only useful if you have good attacking fullbacks and we have 1 (who happens to have been injured for months).. I'm not qualified to tell Hughes how to do his job but a blind man could've seen we needed new fullbacks. You don't need to be qualified to see we needed new fullbacks that fitted the system the manager has chosen to play, he seems to have scrapped the ball playing CB that he built his defence on , hopefully he will scrap the attacking full back bull shit next as the players he has bought in are not capable of doing the job. Our defence including the GK's are a disaster at the moment, let's see how the players respond to Hughes tomorrow it may well be his last opportunity to sort it, the Chairman has come out publicly to criticise the team and issued a veiled threat to Mark and his team, he has seen enough as we have since February. Do away with the idea of attacking fullbacks for now and embrace the 352. In an away game that in recent history we've had boring defeats in? What d'yer reckon Carps? The immediate future starts now?
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 17, 2016 20:00:20 GMT
You don't need to be qualified to see we needed new fullbacks that fitted the system the manager has chosen to play, he seems to have scrapped the ball playing CB that he built his defence on , hopefully he will scrap the attacking full back bull shit next as the players he has bought in are not capable of doing the job. Our defence including the GK's are a disaster at the moment, let's see how the players respond to Hughes tomorrow it may well be his last opportunity to sort it, the Chairman has come out publicly to criticise the team and issued a veiled threat to Mark and his team, he has seen enough as we have since February. Do away with the idea of attacking fullbacks for now and embrace the 352. In an away game that in recent history we've had boring defeats in? What d'yer reckon Carps? The immediate future starts now? We do cheesy as we don't have attacking fullbacks it ain't rocket science is it, he has to find a system that fit's the players as he has fucked up in signing players that fit the one he is using, he seems to be stuck in a rut unable to change his ways to turn it around, shoehorning midfielders in who are not able to carry out their part in the system, playing SJW on the wing does my fuckin head in. I am praying that the club can sort it out starting tomorrow at Palace but I really have massive reservations Mark and his team have a clue how to do it, for me anything less than a fully committed team performance irrespective of the result could well trigger the bullet.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 17, 2016 20:26:50 GMT
Do away with the idea of attacking fullbacks for now and embrace the 352. In an away game that in recent history we've had boring defeats in? What d'yer reckon Carps? The immediate future starts now? We do cheesy as we don't have attacking fullbacks it ain't rocket science is it, he has to find a system that fit's the players as he has fucked up in signing players that fit the one he is using, he seems to be stuck in a rut unable to change his ways to turn it around, shoehorning midfielders in who are not able to carry out their part in the system, playing SJW on the wing does my fuckin head in. I am praying that the club can sort it out starting tomorrow at Palace but I really have massive reservations Mark and his team have a clue how to do it, for me anything less than a fully committed team performance irrespective of the result could well trigger the bullet. Hit me with it baby. I know it's not yr mess but just say you've got the lads... Stuck in a Travelodge with yr 'whiteboard'. Who are you picking, and how would you set 'em up?
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 17, 2016 21:09:27 GMT
We do cheesy as we don't have attacking fullbacks it ain't rocket science is it, he has to find a system that fit's the players as he has fucked up in signing players that fit the one he is using, he seems to be stuck in a rut unable to change his ways to turn it around, shoehorning midfielders in who are not able to carry out their part in the system, playing SJW on the wing does my fuckin head in. I am praying that the club can sort it out starting tomorrow at Palace but I really have massive reservations Mark and his team have a clue how to do it, for me anything less than a fully committed team performance irrespective of the result could well trigger the bullet. Hit me with it baby. I know it's not yr mess but just say you've got the lads... Stuck in a Travelodge with yr 'whiteboard'. Who are you picking, and how would you set 'em up? Not sure where to start with the shit sandwich Mark and his team have left me, I will give it a go with the resources at hand.
Grant Bardsley Ryan Indie Pieters
G Cam Glenda Charlie Boja
Rham jam Boney Arnie
Not ideal of course but the best I could come up with, how bout you Cheesy ?
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 17, 2016 21:14:30 GMT
Hit me with it baby. I know it's not yr mess but just say you've got the lads... Stuck in a Travelodge with yr 'whiteboard'. Who are you picking, and how would you set 'em up? Not sure where to start with the shit sandwich Mark and his team have left me, I will give it a go with the resources at hand.
Grant Bardsley Ryan Indie Pieters
G Cam Glenda Charlie Boja
Rham jam Boney Arnie
Not ideal of course but the best I could come up with, how bout you Cheesy ?
Have another go, not sure that'd be allowed mucka.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 17, 2016 21:31:06 GMT
Not sure where to start with the shit sandwich Mark and his team have left me, I will give it a go with the resources at hand.
Grant Bardsley Ryan Indie Pieters
G Cam Glenda Charlie Boja
Rham jam Boney Arnie
Not ideal of course but the best I could come up with, how bout you Cheesy ?
Have another go, not sure that'd be allowed mucka. Fcukin number dyslexia take Glenda out, now your shot duck.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 17, 2016 21:35:44 GMT
Have another go, not sure that'd be allowed mucka. Fcukin number dyslexia take Glenda out, now your shot duck. Ok. You've received your first reprimand from the FA {Fuck All} as a manger for fielding tooo many players. Is it a 433 or a 4231 or the 442.... what are you hitting me with? Before I show my hand {again}.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 17, 2016 21:54:12 GMT
Fcukin number dyslexia take Glenda out, now your shot duck. Ok. You've received your first reprimand from the FA {Fuck All} as a manger for fielding tooo many players. Is it a 433 or a 4231 or the 442.... what are you hitting me with? Before I show my hand {again}. I would start 433 with option the option to go 442 most players I have found understand 442 in my experience , I have always found it best to let the opposition worry about us than us worry about them, I was always a bit defensive as a manager but always used pacey players wide and up front bit old skool duck, over to you cheesy show me what you have up your sleeve with the ingredients left to you by Mark and his team, time to show your hand mukka .
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 17, 2016 22:06:26 GMT
Ok. You've received your first reprimand from the FA {Fuck All} as a manger for fielding tooo many players. Is it a 433 or a 4231 or the 442.... what are you hitting me with? Before I show my hand {again}. I would start 433 with option the option to go 442 most players I have found understand 442 in my experience , I have always found it best to let the opposition worry about us than us worry about them, I was always a bit defensive as a manager but always used pacey players wide and up front bit old skool duck, over to you cheesy show me what you have up your sleeve with the ingredients left to you by Mark and his team, time to show your hand mukka . Before I show you my formation I neeed to know one last thing Carps. Would you prefer our lads to be playing in socks or stockings? Me Bardsley Shawcross Bruno Diouf Allen Imbula Adam Arnie Bojan Bony I'm prepared to justify it too.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 17, 2016 22:20:21 GMT
I would start 433 with option the option to go 442 most players I have found understand 442 in my experience , I have always found it best to let the opposition worry about us than us worry about them, I was always a bit defensive as a manager but always used pacey players wide and up front bit old skool duck, over to you cheesy show me what you have up your sleeve with the ingredients left to you by Mark and his team, time to show your hand mukka . Before I show you my formation I neeed to know one last thing Carps. Would you prefer our lads to be playing in socks or stockings? Me Bardsley Shawcross Bruno Diouf Allen Imbula Adam Arnie Bojan Bony I'm prepared to justify it too. Socks every time and no fcukin gloves allowed apart from you of course , not a bad set up tbh now that is old skool forgot about Allen now he looks a player compared to Imbula for the PL of course.
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