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Post by stokecitydom on Sept 10, 2016 18:51:11 GMT
Is it time to finally drop him & try something different?
For me it's a myth that he's this great defensive midfield shield.
He really is offering very little. It is so easy to get at our two centre halves as he just gets dragged all over the place. Today for example he decided to close down their goalkeeper on his own, resulting in them just simply passing it around & leaving Whelan completely out of position.
On the ball he is just not up to the standard we need. We need a cool & composed head in there & he is anything but that. Too many times he slows us down and a potential attack is missed.
For me we have to try Allen in the deeper midfield position. He has good energy, likes to put his foot in & is competent in possession.
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Post by petecampbell on Sept 10, 2016 18:56:35 GMT
I love Glenn but I think its time to try Allen & Imbula as a 2
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Post by xchpotter on Sept 10, 2016 18:58:37 GMT
See the Walters thread......same comments just different name. Time to go.
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Post by iloveglennwhelan on Sept 11, 2016 12:50:04 GMT
No.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 12:50:44 GMT
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 11, 2016 12:53:03 GMT
If the result of dropping Glenn is putting Imbula in his place then it's a "no" from me.
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Post by liamo on Sept 11, 2016 12:53:56 GMT
Playing Allen and Imbula would be a disaster waiting to happen, Allen should definitely start but until he pulls his finger out and decides he wants to defend Imbula should be benched
I'd go with Whelan and Allen 4-2-3-1 and play Arnie on the right, Sobhi on the left to actually give Bony the service he needs
OH AND PLAY BOJAN FFS
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 12:55:01 GMT
Play Geoff in whelans place, he is offering nothing at the minute.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 11, 2016 12:55:17 GMT
Playing Allen and Imbula would be a disaster waiting to happen, Allen should definitely start but until he pulls his finger out and decides he wants to defend Imbula should be benched I'd go with Whelan and Allen 4-2-3-1 and play Arnie on the right, Sobhi on the left to actually give Bony the service he needs OH AND PLAY BOJAN FFS This. Oh and let's have a look at the full backs too.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Sept 11, 2016 12:57:45 GMT
Maybe Muniesa can be tried as a straight swap. He goes wandering a bit too much for my liking but hes energetic, can put in a tackle and has an excellent range of passing.
If he can sort out his positional sense I think he might be an excellent option actually for that position
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 11, 2016 12:58:40 GMT
Maybe Muniesa can be tried as a straight swap. He goes wandering a bit too much for my liking but hes energetic, can put in a tackle and has an excellent range of passing. If he can sort out his positional sense I think he might be an excellent option actually for that position I think we're going to have to put him in at left back given how Erik is playing.
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Post by jeycov on Sept 11, 2016 13:03:37 GMT
Play Geoff in whelans place, he is offering nothing at the minute. Would have been some goal until the Spurs player took one for the team! All of our players who were on International duty looked tired and Whelan is having a tough time with the players who should be giving a bit more support. I can see the advantages of putting Muniesa or Cameron there, but we desperately need stability especially to help our newer players Get Bojan involved - it may be that Imbula has to be on the bench ? Try and give the same 11 the chance to play a few games together
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Post by kurt on Sept 11, 2016 13:45:05 GMT
Allen and Imbula, Bojan in front of them
We have Muniesa and Cameron can play his position too.
Sorry, but i can't watch him furthermore. Hus performance has become worse and worse
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Post by kurt on Sept 11, 2016 13:49:40 GMT
Play Geoff in whelans place, he is offering nothing at the minute. Cameron in the defensive midfield has always been better than on right back position
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 14:15:40 GMT
Play Geoff in whelans place, he is offering nothing at the minute. Would have been some goal until the Spurs player took one for the team! All of our players who were on International duty looked tired and Whelan is having a tough time with the players who should be giving a bit more support. I can see the advantages of putting Muniesa or Cameron there, but we desperately need stability especially to help our newer players Get Bojan involved - it may be that Imbula has to be on the bench ? Try and give the same 11 the chance to play a few games together He hasn't scored for 5 years. His job is to stop the flow, and we are conceding goals for fun.
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Post by daviddunn on Sept 11, 2016 14:16:12 GMT
Muniesa in place of Whelan , Bardsley in for Eric and Bojan or Adam in for Imbula Diouff right wing give it a go and yes Bardsley has played left back numerous times at Blunderland ,Eric just doesn't seem fit and seems to be getting slower each game and I'm a fan of his
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 11, 2016 14:21:45 GMT
I think our poor defending is about the team as a unit rather than any individuals , I can see he isn't getting any younger and not at his best at the moment but I'm not sure who you replace him with maybe try allen with Cameron and Bojan behind Bony Cameron is a better athlete but does tend to switch off a bit .
Imbula has no real concept of defending so we would struggle even more with him and Allen as a pair until he learns the importance of what to do when we dont have the ball
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Post by oslostokie1 on Sept 11, 2016 14:27:25 GMT
He was not great yesterday and feel, in general, that his time is nearly up (along with Walters), but he is on his own in a defensive capacity in midfield. Spurs saw it necessary to play two defensive midfielders against us, both of whom are individually better than Whelan, so it is any wonder our attackers are blunted whilst theirs run riot
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Sept 11, 2016 14:33:16 GMT
Post by gonk on Sept 11, 2016 14:33:16 GMT
Play Geoff in whelans place, he is offering nothing at the minute. Would have been some goal until the Spurs player took one for the team! All of our players who were on International duty looked tired and Whelan is having a tough time with the players who should be giving a bit more support. I can see the advantages of putting Muniesa or Cameron there, but we desperately need stability especially to help our newer players Get Bojan involved - it may be that Imbula has to be on the bench ? Try and give the same 11 the chance to play a few games together Should him and Walters still be playing international matches at there age.As both will not be there for the next tournaments. To me they should be thinking more about who pays there wages.
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Sept 11, 2016 14:37:35 GMT
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Post by barcaontrent on Sept 11, 2016 14:37:35 GMT
It's shows something about the managements recruitment when we've shelled out £13.5m and £18m for two midfielders in 6 months and still Glen Whelan starts week in week out
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Post by TexasPotter on Sept 11, 2016 14:46:46 GMT
It's shows something about the managements recruitment when we've shelled out £13.5m and £18m for two midfielders in 6 months and still Glen Whelan starts week in week out Should he be though? Week after week? Perhaps the opposite is the factor, as the OP has stated. Perhaps he is the problem and not the answer? I personally think Walter's and Whelan are at the long end of the stick. I personally feel the gaps in front and behind of Whelan are getting too large for himself to cover. What I do know, it cannot persist as it is. Either put Adam, Allen or Geoff next to him and let Imbula or Bojan free in front or bench him, we are going to see more drubbings if it stays the same. It's gone from he's in poor form, to something has to change. Spurs were lobbing balls right behind our midfield and playing through it with so much ease it was sickening. The worst bit was the defensive woes and man marking, that was inexcusable as was their going AWOL for an entire half.
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Post by daviddunn on Sept 11, 2016 14:52:10 GMT
Its far too easy to run away from Whelan more of a blocker now but easy to play around due to lack of pace always gives his best fantastic signing yes but his time is coming to a end , going back to Bardsley at right back he might get the best out of Arnie as he isn't shy about bollocking his team mates might kick Arnie up the backside
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Post by daviddunn on Sept 11, 2016 14:57:04 GMT
Sorry I meant left back
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Post by barcaontrent on Sept 11, 2016 15:05:15 GMT
It's shows something about the managements recruitment when we've shelled out £13.5m and £18m for two midfielders in 6 months and still Glen Whelan starts week in week out Should he be though? Week after week? Perhaps the opposite is the factor, as the OP has stated. Perhaps he is the problem and not the answer? I personally think Walter's and Whelan are at the long end of the stick. I personally feel the gaps in front and behind of Whelan are getting too large for himself to cover. What I do know, it cannot persist as it is. Either put Adam, Allen or Geoff next to him and let Imbula or Bojan free in front or bench him, we are going to see more drubbings if it stays the same. It's gone from he's in poor form, to something has to change. Spurs were lobbing balls right behind our midfield and playing through it with so much ease it was sickening. The worst bit was the defensive woes and man marking, that was inexcusable as was their going AWOL for an entire half. My exact point is that with how much we have invested in the team he shouldn't be starting. But you are right, he shouldn't be the answer but he still is because we have failed to purchase an out and out defensive midfielder
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Sept 11, 2016 15:17:25 GMT
Post by TexasPotter on Sept 11, 2016 15:17:25 GMT
Should he be though? Week after week? Perhaps the opposite is the factor, as the OP has stated. Perhaps he is the problem and not the answer? I personally think Walter's and Whelan are at the long end of the stick. I personally feel the gaps in front and behind of Whelan are getting too large for himself to cover. What I do know, it cannot persist as it is. Either put Adam, Allen or Geoff next to him and let Imbula or Bojan free in front or bench him, we are going to see more drubbings if it stays the same. It's gone from he's in poor form, to something has to change. Spurs were lobbing balls right behind our midfield and playing through it with so much ease it was sickening. The worst bit was the defensive woes and man marking, that was inexcusable as was their going AWOL for an entire half. My exact point is that with how much we have invested in the team he shouldn't be starting. But you are right, he shouldn't be the answer but he still is because we have failed to purchase an out and out defensive midfielder We have not, but that doesn't mean we should keep persisting with a lone CDM either. As the formation isn't working, especially with Walters at RW being limited. As I watch the Swansea-Chelsea match, Matic and Kante are next to each other deep, with Oscar in front. Swansea have Cork and Ki deep with Glyfi Sigurdsson in front. I think our tactics are the main problem with the manager trying to make his favoured style work, with square pegs and round holes. Especially at RW. It needs to change.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 11, 2016 15:19:19 GMT
Maybe Muniesa can be tried as a straight swap. He goes wandering a bit too much for my liking but hes energetic, can put in a tackle and has an excellent range of passing. If he can sort out his positional sense I think he might be an excellent option actually for that position I think we're going to have to put him in at left back given how Erik is playing. Said that yesterday. A few players need dropping just to get them to buck their ideas up
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Post by salopstick on Sept 11, 2016 15:20:08 GMT
And to be fair to whelan he was unlucky not to score goal of the season
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Sept 11, 2016 16:57:58 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 11, 2016 16:57:58 GMT
It's shows something about the managements recruitment when we've shelled out £13.5m and £18m for two midfielders in 6 months and still Glen Whelan starts week in week out Maybe if we hadn't spent all summer chasing fucking Berahino and got at least one more solid midfielder we wouldn't be in the shit now?
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Post by prudhoessafehands on Sept 11, 2016 21:02:39 GMT
Drop Whelen but keep Imbula?? absolutely no way not for me. I dont know how many of you went to Everton but Whelen did his job AND Imbulas who i hate to say was absolutely diabolical that match. Without Glenn putting in a great performance that game we would have lost by more. Imbula imo needs dropping for a while he looks uninterested,he has no desire to track back and help out defensively and tbh i think we look a poorer team with him in it. I hope theirs a good player in there but i think Hughes got this one wrong..guess only time will tell
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Sept 12, 2016 8:21:22 GMT
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Post by JC9 on Sept 12, 2016 8:21:22 GMT
In he long run, a midfield 3 of:
Imbula Allen Bojan
For now:
Whelan Allen Bojan
Whelan is a battler and defensively helps out big time. Playing Imbula at the moment is like having an empty space in midfield he needs dropping while he gets his arse in gear!
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