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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 10, 2016 17:01:08 GMT
Not by the fact that we've lost or even that we've been on the end of another thumping.
Not at the ref and not even by the fact that we don't have a goalkeeper capable of making a save worthy of the name.
I'm not even disgusted by the fact that so many of our players are doing bad impersonations of being professional footballers.
No, my disgust is reserved very much for the little superstar bojan.
Around the 83rd minute I watched Arnie tear arse 80-90 yards back and forth at full pelt trying to close them down then watched in utter dismay as bojan just stood and watched Davies waltz around him then not move as they quickly got into the final third of the pitch.
If you don't want to play just fuck off and don't come back. Same goes for imbula the pair of lazy arsed wankers.
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Post by superheroantonius on Sept 10, 2016 17:17:30 GMT
I will excuse your blunt language on the basis you are right
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 10, 2016 17:19:03 GMT
Not by the fact that we've lost or even that we've been on the end of another thumping. Not at the ref and not even by the fact that we don't have a goalkeeper capable of making a save worthy of the name. I'm not even disgusted by the fact that so many of our players are doing bad impersonations of being professional footballers. No, my disgust is reserved very much for the little superstar bojan. Around the 83rd minute I watched Arnie tear arse 80-90 yards back and forth at full pelt trying to close them down then watched in utter dismay as bojan just stood and watched Davies waltz around him then not move as they quickly got into the final third of the pitch. If you don't want to play just fuck off and don't come back. Same goes for imbula the pair of lazy arsed wankers. They're not the only ones dave. That's the worry. 'Pashun' is an often mocked word on here but there is a definite lack of stomach in this bunch I'm afraid.
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Post by wuzza on Sept 10, 2016 17:20:52 GMT
I fear the Spanish bubble has burst. I would expect further departures to the sun in the next 12 months.
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Post by superheroantonius on Sept 10, 2016 17:21:55 GMT
sadly we have gone from the extreme case of a manager who relishes taking on any and every player, trying to get away with giving anything less than a hundred percent To one happy to let that slide
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Post by mrred on Sept 10, 2016 17:23:26 GMT
Said it elsewhere but were now a team of merc's that have little pride in the club and I will not stand by and support any of those fuckers that give bare minimum for a pay cheque.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Sept 10, 2016 17:23:47 GMT
As I've said in another thread there are a few bad characters in this squad who haven't got the stomach for the fight and will go hiding when the chips are down. Imbula, Bojan, Shaqiri and at times Arnie with his petulance are the worst culprits. The blame lies with Hughes for failing to bring in the right characters as well as the right abilities. Those players have so much ability between them but not the desire to put it to constructive use.
I'd drop Imbula next game he needs to earn his place back in the side. And if he doesn't then he needs to rot in the reserves. I don't care how much his wages are or how much he cost it'll cost us more if we get relegated.
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Post by march4 on Sept 10, 2016 17:25:20 GMT
There is only one man to blame - LMH.
Surely he will be sacked on Monday morning if he hasn't resigned first.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 10, 2016 17:26:10 GMT
It was disgusting he wasn't playing.
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Post by superheroantonius on Sept 10, 2016 17:27:35 GMT
I don't care how good imbula and bojan think they are, there is no way they are better than top stoke players
like mickey Thomas , kevin keen , howard kendall , johnny Eustace
so to be effective. they need to work at least as hard as though guys
if they think otherwise , its best they move on
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 10, 2016 17:28:37 GMT
The only time we created anything in open play was when Bojan was belatedly introduced.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2016 17:31:13 GMT
It was disgusting he wasn't playing. I know we've had our spats Pugs, but this is a serious question. Why was it disgusting he wasn't playing? For me he has a reputation that is totally unjustified. He's had one purple patch for us. Before that he was ordinary and since he came back from injury he's been just as ordinary. What's he done to justify a starting place?
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Post by superheroantonius on Sept 10, 2016 17:31:46 GMT
It was disgusting he wasn't playing. he came on as a sub
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2016 17:32:13 GMT
Bojan is a genius but also a luxury and when we are being tonked week in week out he's no use. Big but though he is some player so you have to decide if he warrants a place. On current form he's no worse than what we have on show at the moment.
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Post by philb on Sept 10, 2016 17:35:34 GMT
Bojan is a genius but also a luxury and when we are being tonked week in week out he's no use. Big but though he is some player so you have to decide if he warrants a place. On current form he's no worse than what we have on show at the moment. Makes you wonder why Hughes started him in the first game if he's a luxury.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2016 17:36:57 GMT
The only time we created anything in open play was when Bojan was belatedly introduced. Not true. Imbula played a peach of a ball through to Arnie who had drifted offside in the first half. Pass of the match.
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Post by ElworthPotter on Sept 10, 2016 17:37:56 GMT
It was disgusting he wasn't playing. No it wasn't. He's been really poor. If you're really poor, the chances are you get dropped
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 10, 2016 17:38:49 GMT
It was disgusting he wasn't playing. I know we've had our spats Pugs, but this is a serious question. Why was it disgusting he wasn't playing? For me he has a reputation that is totally unjustified. He's had one purple patch for us. Before that he was ordinary and since he came back from injury he's been just as ordinary. What's he done to justify a starting place? You're right he has been ordinary but so have others who have been starting. Why was Walters playing today? To me he can do something, create or score a goal. Walters just falls over, mis kicks or gets caught offside. Bojan needs a run of games - like last season we're seeing too many changes, albeit injuries again are screwing us over.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2016 17:41:35 GMT
I know we've had our spats Pugs, but this is a serious question. Why was it disgusting he wasn't playing? For me he has a reputation that is totally unjustified. He's had one purple patch for us. Before that he was ordinary and since he came back from injury he's been just as ordinary. What's he done to justify a starting place? You're right he has been ordinary but so have others who have been starting. Why was Walters playing today? To me he can do something, create or score a goal. Walters just falls over, mis kicks or gets caught offside. Bojan needs a run of games - like last season we're seeing too many changes, albeit injuries again are screwing us over. I 100% agree with your last paragraph with regards to Walters and the chopping and changing. The manager has no clue of his best side or system.
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 10, 2016 17:44:34 GMT
The only time we created anything in open play was when Bojan was belatedly introduced. Not true. Imbula played a peach of a ball through to Arnie who had drifted offside in the first half. Pass of the match. Doesn't count then We has a little spell when 4-0 down and Spurs were clearly cruising where we created a few openings and Bojan was at the heart of all those. I know full well he's not going to track back and put a tackle in but he never has and never will do.
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Post by pottersrule on Sept 10, 2016 18:21:30 GMT
You're right he has been ordinary but so have others who have been starting. Why was Walters playing today? To me he can do something, create or score a goal. Walters just falls over, mis kicks or gets caught offside. Bojan needs a run of games - like last season we're seeing too many changes, albeit injuries again are screwing us over. I 100% agree with your last paragraph with regards to Walters and the chopping and changing. The manager has no clue of his best side or system. And there lies the problem, it is a perplexing constant.Why was Bardsley dropped today,for Geoff?
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 10, 2016 18:27:39 GMT
Too many flair players and not enough workers, need to get the balance right!!!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 10, 2016 18:32:58 GMT
It was disgusting he wasn't playing.
I agree completely Pugs.
Bony could very much be the catalyst needed to see Bojan shine.
His ability to be strong and hold the ball up with his back to goal is amongst the very best, he brings other players into play with ease and he has a very quick train of thought ... just the attributes Bojan needs from a foil to play off.
Bojan is an incredible finisher (his stats speak for themselves).
Problem being though ... to start Bojan in a 4-2-3-1, means that Hughes is going to have to drop his recording signing in Imbula.
How this all ultimately pans out, I genuinely haven't a clue.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 10, 2016 18:36:51 GMT
It was disgusting he wasn't playing.
I agree completely Pugs.
Bony could very much be the catalyst needed to see Bojan shine.
His ability to be strong and hold the ball up with his back to goal is amongst the very best, he brings other players into play with ease and he has a very quick train of though ... just the attributes Bojan needs from a foil to play off.
Bojan is an incredible finisher (his stats speak for themselves).
Problem being though ... to start Bojan in a 4-2-3-1, means that Hughes is going to have to drop his recording signing in Imbula.
How this all ultimately pans out, I genuinely haven't a clue.
Imbula needs benching Paul, and I'm saying that as a big fan of his, there needs to be a change in that midfield, and indeed if some of the players are starting to think Hughes is losing it then him dropping the record signing will give them all a kick up the arse that none of them are safe if even the record signing is getting benched. We could see a drastic improvement in our performances just by taking Gianelli out of the fold for a couple of games, how that pans out long term I've no idea but it's the short term I'm concerned with at the moment, we need to get out of this hole we're digging ourselves into, and quickly.
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Post by MilanStokie on Sept 10, 2016 18:40:52 GMT
I agree completely Pugs.
Bony could very much be the catalyst needed to see Bojan shine.
His ability to be strong and hold the ball up with his back to goal is amongst the very best, he brings other players into play with ease and he has a very quick train of though ... just the attributes Bojan needs from a foil to play off.
Bojan is an incredible finisher (his stats speak for themselves).
Problem being though ... to start Bojan in a 4-2-3-1, means that Hughes is going to have to drop his recording signing in Imbula.
How this all ultimately pans out, I genuinely haven't a clue.
Imbula needs benching Paul, and I'm saying that as a big fan of his, there needs to be a change in that midfield, and indeed if some of the players are starting to think Hughes is losing it then him dropping the record signing will give them all a kick up the arse that none of them are safe if even the record signing is getting benched. We could see a drastic improvement in our performances just by taking Gianelli out of the fold for a couple of games, how that pans out long term I've no idea but it's the short term I'm concerned with at the moment, we need to get out of this hole we're digging ourselves into, and quickly. if he wasn't in such terrible form I would worry about having to upset 1 of imbula or bojan bur imbula is shockingly bad right now and quite simply needs to be dropped for someone we can rely on. Adam and Allen in the middle and bojan ahead of them please.
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Post by Scrotnig on Sept 10, 2016 18:57:23 GMT
And not so long ago Bojan was our hero. What happened to him? It can't just be his injury.
The manager has lost the players. It's becoming more and more obvious. Makes me think of Chelsea last year before wotsisface was sacked.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2016 19:01:50 GMT
It was disgusting he wasn't playing.
I agree completely Pugs.
Bony could very much be the catalyst needed to see Bojan shine.
His ability to be strong and hold the ball up with his back to goal is amongst the very best, he brings other players into play with ease and he has a very quick train of thought ... just the attributes Bojan needs from a foil to play off.
Bojan is an incredible finisher (his stats speak for themselves).
Problem being though ... to start Bojan in a 4-2-3-1, means that Hughes is going to have to drop his recording signing in Imbula.
How this all ultimately pans out, I genuinely haven't a clue.
Does he though? I thought Imbula had his best game in ages today, and I'd even consider dropping Whelan and bringing Bojan in. Allen proved at the Euros he can play the sitting deep role, and Arnie, Bojan, Shaqiri behind Bony is a dream come true for me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2016 19:02:53 GMT
I'm far from disgusted, but if any of our players had delusions of being better than they actually are, today should have proved to them that they're nowhere near.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 10, 2016 19:11:43 GMT
I agree completely Pugs.
Bony could very much be the catalyst needed to see Bojan shine.
His ability to be strong and hold the ball up with his back to goal is amongst the very best, he brings other players into play with ease and he has a very quick train of thought ... just the attributes Bojan needs from a foil to play off.
Bojan is an incredible finisher (his stats speak for themselves).
Problem being though ... to start Bojan in a 4-2-3-1, means that Hughes is going to have to drop his recording signing in Imbula.
How this all ultimately pans out, I genuinely haven't a clue.
Does he though? I thought Imbula had his best game in ages today, and I'd even consider dropping Whelan and bringing Bojan in. Allen proved at the Euros he can play the sitting deep role, and Arnie, Bojan, Shaqiri behind Bony is a dream come true for me.
You can't have just one player in midfield (Allen) prepared to put his foot in and do some work when we don't have the ball though, we'd get completely overrun.
I could understand it (to a point) when people were saying when he first signed, that they wanted to see Allen play the Whelan role but now they've actually had a chance to see him here for a few games, I wonder what games people who are still advocating it, have actually been watching?
Allen is all over the pitch putting a 100% in BECAUSE he knows Whelan is there to mop up behind him, put that responsibility on to Allen and you'd completely hamstring the lad, not to mention that there wouldn't be anybody even attempting to put a tackle in until the play got to him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2016 19:17:02 GMT
Does he though? I thought Imbula had his best game in ages today, and I'd even consider dropping Whelan and bringing Bojan in. Allen proved at the Euros he can play the sitting deep role, and Arnie, Bojan, Shaqiri behind Bony is a dream come true for me.
You can't have just one player in midfield (Allen) prepared to put his foot in and do some work when we don't have the ball, we'd get completely overrun.
I could understand it (to a point) when people were saying when he first signed that they wanted to see Allen play the Whelan role but now they've actually had a chance to see him here for a few games, I wonder what games people who are still advocating it, have actually been watching?
Allen is all over the pitch putting a 100% in BECAUSE he knows Whelan is there to mop up behind him, put that responsibility on to Allen and you'd completely hamstring, not to mention that there wouldn't be anybody attempting to put a tackle in until the play got to him.
Not even Whelan is playing the Whelan role at the moment so what's the harm in giving it a go ? It's not just about the dirty side of the game breaking up opposition attacks etc, it's about getting the ball from one of your back four/keeper in a tight situation and being confident in keeping possession and moving play forwards not backwards or sideways. Absolutely worth a try for me......
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