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Post by jimmygscfc on Sept 10, 2016 16:24:59 GMT
It's a marathon not a sprint. We had a bad start last season. Give Indi and Bony time to settle, get Shaq back and available, bring in Johnson soon as, play Lee Grant and hope that Jack is back sooner than expected. Bojan needs to come back too. We have major problems and some that have been a weakness for a long time. Whelan is struggling and January is a long way off and Erik is all over the place but he's capable of better. Perhaps Hughes's frustration today is symptomatic of something bubbling under the surface. We'll come through it but we need to keep in touch with the other teams above the bottom three which is where we'll be for a while
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 10, 2016 16:26:57 GMT
It might be a marathon but if you fall on your arse right at the start it's a struggle to catch up to the rest of the field.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Sept 10, 2016 16:31:23 GMT
It might be a marathon but if you fall on your arse right at the start it's a struggle to catch up to the rest of the field. Look at last season. Maybe we'll just avoid relegation by going on a great run in the last 10 games and win the League the following season 👍
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Post by fca47 on Sept 10, 2016 16:32:05 GMT
We have had a difficult start to the season but it must surely have hurt the spirit in the team , to have two home thrashing on the bounce. Hughes has got to show his managerial worth and lift the players.
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Post by trincostokie on Sept 10, 2016 16:45:20 GMT
It's not the first time we've had a difficult start to the season though is it. It's not even the fact that we've picked up only 1 point from 4. It's the manner of the defeats that is rightly putting the shits up even the most level-headed of supporters. We aren't blind. We experience the games, passionately, and can sense all too well when storm clouds start to gather. There is something clearly amiss somewhere, beyond the injuries, the difficult fixtures and the dubious decisions. We have looked a very pale shadow of our potential for months, and things show no sign whatsoever of improving.
I really like Hughes, when he and the players get it right it can be some of the best football I've ever seen from my team, but something has got to change, on the training ground and on the pitch, and soon!
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Post by BuzzB on Sept 10, 2016 16:50:20 GMT
I aren't one for dooming and glooming and player bashing but I will say this, yes it is a marathon and not a sprint and there are reasons and ifs buts and maybes. However, look at the stats from January this year up to today, shocking to say the least,how many 3-0 and 4-0 spankings? is it 6 league wins in total against average opposition? Something is drastically wrong down there, there is no fight or spirit and some team selections beggar belief. I will give Imbula a bit of credit today, he did seem to knuckle down and make an effort and was unlucky to be hooked while the totally ineffective Walters stayed on. Hughes seems to be able to assemble a squad if names, top draw players, but can he gat a tune out of them? If this was a start of season blip then fair enough but its not and anyone kidding themselves and calling me and others knicker wetters and the like need a bloody reality check. We are in a rut, a deep mire, Benji Biscuit has been pretty bloody accurate to be honest. I hate saying these things about a club I have supported for 45 years but its true. The management need to motivate this lot and sharpish.
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Post by uknorse on Sept 10, 2016 18:17:16 GMT
team selection, tactics, and formation, ...... thats whats wrong with us.....and all of those things are down to the manager and his coaching staff....
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 10, 2016 21:17:33 GMT
There's a lot of knee jerk reactions taking place on the Oatcake at the moment.
What we need is a bit of perspective.
1) Under Hughes our away form has improved massively.
2)Our home form is dismal.
Hardly the end of the world is it?
Of course there are underlying issues but they are not unresolvable.
All this bollocks about Hughes Out is ridiculous.
All this negativety is getting to the players and affecting their confidence.
If we're still in this position after 12 games then it's different but after 4 ?
Whatever happened to Be Loyal..Be Proud..Be Stoke ???
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2016 21:26:10 GMT
One win in 13 No clean sheet in 20 Four goal hammerings on a regular basis
Can't create much,can't score many, can't defend,
Awful set pieces at both ends of the park,
No pace, no width, and absolutely no heart.
Yeah let's get some perspective.
I don't care where we've finished in the last three seasons were in it up to our necks.
Can Hughes sort it?......Im not so sure, he really appears to have lost his way.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 10, 2016 21:28:20 GMT
There's a lot of knee jerk reactions taking place on the Oatcake at the moment. What we need is a bit of perspective. 1) Under Hughes our away form has improved massively. 2)Our home form is dismal. Hardly the end of the world is it? Of course there are underlying issues but they are not unresolvable. All this bollocks about Hughes Out is ridiculous. All this negativety is getting to the players and affecting their confidence. If we're still in this position after 12 games then it's different but after 4 ? Whatever happened to Be Loyal..Be Proud..Be Stoke ??? Be loyal be proud be only if we win
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Post by trout-licker on Sept 10, 2016 21:30:38 GMT
We've been struggling since February. That's a half marathon. Things need to change and soon.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Sept 10, 2016 21:31:31 GMT
We've been struggling since February. That's a half marathon. Things need to change and soon. And maybe that is the management team. Gouranga.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 10, 2016 21:32:41 GMT
One win in 13 No clean sheet in 20 Four goal hammerings on a regular basis Can't create much,can't score many, can't defend, Awful set pieces at both ends of the park, No pace, no width, and absolutely no heart. Yeah let's get some perspective. I don't care where we've finished in the last three seasons were in it up to our necks. Can Hughes sort it?......Im not so sure, he really appears to have lost his way. Top post mate and one the Hughes can do no wrong brigade should take note of.
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Post by trout-licker on Sept 10, 2016 21:33:03 GMT
One win in 13 No clean sheet in 20 Four goal hammerings on a regular basis Can't create much,can't score many, can't defend, Awful set pieces at both ends of the park, No pace, no width, and absolutely no heart. Yeah let's get some perspective. I don't care where we've finished in the last three seasons were in it up to our necks. Can Hughes sort it?......Im not so sure, he really appears to have lost his way. Scarily true It's naive to think we ain't in the shit.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 10, 2016 21:34:34 GMT
There's a lot of knee jerk reactions taking place on the Oatcake at the moment. What we need is a bit of perspective. 1) Under Hughes our away form has improved massively. 2)Our home form is dismal. Hardly the end of the world is it? Of course there are underlying issues but they are not unresolvable. All this bollocks about Hughes Out is ridiculous. All this negativety is getting to the players and affecting their confidence. If we're still in this position after 12 games then it's different but after 4 ? Whatever happened to Be Loyal..Be Proud..Be Stoke ??? Be loyal be proud be only if we win Absolutely. Success is more important than Loyalty to some on here. You can buy success but you can NEVER buy loyalty.
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Post by wingy11 on Sept 10, 2016 21:36:08 GMT
There's a lot of knee jerk reactions taking place on the Oatcake at the moment. What we need is a bit of perspective. 1) Under Hughes our away form has improved massively. 2)Our home form is dismal. Hardly the end of the world is it? Of course there are underlying issues but they are not unresolvable. All this bollocks about Hughes Out is ridiculous. All this negativety is getting to the players and affecting their confidence. If we're still in this position after 12 games then it's different but after 4 ? Whatever happened to Be Loyal..Be Proud..Be Stoke ??? It's actually 13 games 9 loses 3 draws and 1 win
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Post by trout-licker on Sept 10, 2016 21:36:20 GMT
We've been struggling since February. That's a half marathon. Things need to change and soon. And maybe that is the management team. Gouranga. I'm on the fence. Mainly because I can't think of another manager who would be available/willing to come Edit - or who would do a 'better' job
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Post by salopstick on Sept 10, 2016 21:36:29 GMT
Be loyal be proud be only if we win Absolutely. Success is more important than Loyalty to some on here. You can buy success but you can never buy loaylty. Perspective.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 10, 2016 21:37:27 GMT
Absolutely. Success is more important than Loyalty to some on here. You can buy success but you can never buy loaylty. Perspective. Correct.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Sept 10, 2016 21:42:47 GMT
And maybe that is the management team. Gouranga. I'm on the fence. Mainly because I can't think of another manager who would be available/willing to come Edit - or who would do a 'better' job TBH so am I, but other teams have taken a gamble on foreign managers and most of them have come here and done a decent job, but one things for sure things can't be allowed to continue the way they are. Hughes has got to either do something about it or Coates will have to. Gouranga.
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Post by trout-licker on Sept 10, 2016 21:45:50 GMT
I'm on the fence. Mainly because I can't think of another manager who would be available/willing to come Edit - or who would do a 'better' job TBH so am I, but other teams have taken a gamble on foreign managers and most of them have come here and done a decent job, but one things for sure things can't be allowed to continue the way they are. Hughes has got to either do something about it or Coates will have to. Gouranga. Coates isn't one to act quickly, which in this situation might cost him (us). Time to worry IMO
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2016 23:18:13 GMT
One win in 13 No clean sheet in 20 Four goal hammerings on a regular basis Can't create much,can't score many, can't defend, Awful set pieces at both ends of the park, No pace, no width, and absolutely no heart. Yeah let's get some perspective. I don't care where we've finished in the last three seasons were in it up to our necks. Can Hughes sort it?......Im not so sure, he really appears to have lost his way. It coincides with Imbula becoming a regular in the first team I know it also coincides with Butlands and Johnson's injuries. But Imbula looks like a luxury player we cannot afford to have in the team at present.
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Post by trout-licker on Sept 10, 2016 23:22:44 GMT
One win in 13 No clean sheet in 20 Four goal hammerings on a regular basis Can't create much,can't score many, can't defend, Awful set pieces at both ends of the park, No pace, no width, and absolutely no heart. Yeah let's get some perspective. I don't care where we've finished in the last three seasons were in it up to our necks. Can Hughes sort it?......Im not so sure, he really appears to have lost his way. It coincides with Imbula becoming a regular in the first team I know it also coincides with Butlands and Johnson's injuries. But Imbula looks like a luxury player we cannot afford to have in the team at present. Don't think Imbula is the issue, he's got class. He's done just as good a job as Zonz did in a poor midfield. MH is struggling to get his A plan together, nevermind any sort of B plan
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 11, 2016 1:44:50 GMT
There's a lot of knee jerk reactions taking place on the Oatcake at the moment. What we need is a bit of perspective. 1) Under Hughes our away form has improved massively. 2)Our home form is dismal. Hardly the end of the world is it? Of course there are underlying issues but they are not unresolvable. All this bollocks about Hughes Out is ridiculous. All this negativety is getting to the players and affecting their confidence. If we're still in this position after 12 games then it's different but after 4 ? Whatever happened to Be Loyal..Be Proud..Be Stoke ??? It's actually 13 games 9 loses 3 draws and 1 win Smartly done chap.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 11, 2016 1:47:43 GMT
Perspective comes from Christmas and if you do that, it's a frightening picture.
I really thought he would have sorted it by now:
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 11, 2016 2:15:18 GMT
It's a marathon not a sprint. We had a bad start last season. Give Indi and Bony time to settle, get Shaq back and available, bring in Johnson soon as, play Lee Grant and hope that Jack is back sooner than expected. Bojan needs to come back too. We have major problems and some that have been a weakness for a long time. Whelan is struggling and January is a long way off and Erik is all over the place but he's capable of better. Perhaps Hughes's frustration today is symptomatic of something bubbling under the surface. We'll come through it but we need to keep in touch with the other teams above the bottom three which is where we'll be for a while Mate it's not about having better players or Butlands injury . It's about desire and character and work ethic
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Post by pottarius on Sept 11, 2016 2:17:36 GMT
TBH we look like we're potentially in a death spiral at the moment with a complete lack of confidence from the back to the front LMH needs to completely change his tactics/formation, even if temporarily to gain points/confidence, else I can't see anything other than trouble ahead. Playing a system where you rely on the likes of Cameron, Pieters & Walters to take the game to the opposition is not optimistic, its head-banging-against-the-wall stupid.
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 11, 2016 4:24:53 GMT
There's a lot of knee jerk reactions taking place on the Oatcake at the moment. What we need is a bit of perspective. 1) Under Hughes our away form has improved massively. 2)Our home form is dismal. Hardly the end of the world is it? Of course there are underlying issues but they are not unresolvable. All this bollocks about Hughes Out is ridiculous. All this negativety is getting to the players and affecting their confidence. If we're still in this position after 12 games then it's different but after 4 ? Whatever happened to Be Loyal..Be Proud..Be Stoke ??? If I was on 40-70 grand a week my confidance would be shot to bits to , my heart bleeds for the poor souls
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Post by stokemark on Sept 11, 2016 11:27:58 GMT
We have simply not invested in the right departments (defence / defensive midfield) and spent a rediculous amount on 2 players who effectively do the same job (Imbula and Allan)
As for the lack of pace in the side well that's another story
We have seen two really effective attacking formations since Hughes arrived - the 'Victor Moses' era counter attacking side and the 'false 9 ' Man City thrashing side yet for some reason apparent only to himself the manager has completely abandoned both approaches for the 'soft cente slothe' approach we now have
He has, I'd say, 5 more games to get it right again
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