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Post by geoff321 on Sept 4, 2016 7:30:19 GMT
Even if this is true it doesn't mean refs are corrupt, to me it seems to be saying if you see a controversial decision and you are uncertain don't try and rule on it but pretend you didn't see it or get a proper view of it. Also the PGMOL isn't the F.A.,is it?
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Post by nott1 on Sept 4, 2016 7:30:27 GMT
Money talks in every level of society, I doubt refs are any different!
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Post by werrington on Sept 4, 2016 7:33:16 GMT
Money talks in every level of society, I doubt refs are any different! I don't think it is money tbh Bexhill .....it's actually looking after themselves and their careers as any controversy towards a Stoke etc carries no weight but a controversial decision v a Chelsea etc means demotion or a spell on the sidelines
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Post by bringmesunshine on Sept 4, 2016 7:39:09 GMT
Perhapse this explains why they don't rate the best ref in the league if not the world, Mark Clattenburg, perhapse it's because he won't do as he's told and actually refs the game without bias.
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Post by nott1 on Sept 4, 2016 7:39:19 GMT
Money talks in every level of society, I doubt refs are any different! I don't think it is money tbh Bexhill .....it's actually looking after themselves and their careers as any controversy towards a Stoke etc carries no weight but a controversial decision v a Chelsea etc means demotion or a spell on the sidelines Which presumably involves loss of money, or should?
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Post by sportsman on Sept 4, 2016 7:55:47 GMT
Why do you think refs aren't allowed to be interviewed after a game along with everyone else?
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Post by malteser68 on Sept 4, 2016 8:38:31 GMT
Dedicated to all those who persist in believing that there was no interference from the FA to 'aid and abet' Leicester to win the Premier League !!
Just go and revisit all the decisions which were given in their favour last year in the light of Halsey's revelations about FA interference.
The Premier League is a multi-billion spinner. It was evident last year that the Big Guns were not up to it and what better to continue to generate interest and excitement from the millions of viewers around the world (and of course to continue to rake in the billions of pounds in various forms of revenue) then to invent the Leicester fairy tale ?
I will not go so far to say that Leicester are completely without any merit in winning the title, but I cam 1000% convinced that if Leicester were treated by the refs in the same way as eg Stoke City, they would have fallen way short of landing the title.
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Post by malteser68 on Sept 4, 2016 8:47:58 GMT
Does any one believe that the ref did not see the Aguero elbow on Winston Reid in their last game against West Ham ? He was just 5 yards away from the incident, with absolutely nothing to obstruct his line of vision, and hence, unless he is either as short-sighted as 'a very short-sighted bat' or else he was ogling a curvy bird sitting in Row 10, he could never ever have failed to see the incident.
The PL is literally riddled with these episodes and it is simply a disgrace on the paying public and just another sad example of the general degeneration of modern society in all aspects of life where everything is sacrificed on the altar of the one true God called 'Money'.
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Post by samblano on Sept 4, 2016 8:50:11 GMT
when there#s as much money about in any sport you will always get this sort of thing happening
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Post by Rt Hon Reverend Luvpump on Sept 4, 2016 8:52:07 GMT
I've always said we were treated differently by the refs when we got promoted in 2008 can't remember which game it was but remember walking home feeling very sorry for the team we had played,they had a couple of stonewall penos waived away which I'm sure would have normally been given! Just thought everything went our way that season.
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Post by milky on Sept 4, 2016 8:54:25 GMT
The mantra given to referees seems to be something along the lines of..
"If you want your career to progress then don't upset the big clubs "
Michael Oliver has certainly taken that advice on board !
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Post by salopstick on Sept 4, 2016 9:04:18 GMT
It is far easier for a ref to say he has not seen it
So player can be retrospectively banned
Than for the ref to admit he made a mistake.
However we have got to a situation where the refs are untouchable. They don't have to explain their actions, have no real implications to them selves and if you dare criticise them face an FA charge. This cannot be right.
Refs should be mic'd up and also have to face journos after the game like a manager. They would soon be better if they were facing major scrutiny
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 4, 2016 9:07:39 GMT
Anyone got a video of the Shawcross/Fonz incident? I can't remember it.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Sept 4, 2016 9:40:33 GMT
I've always said we were treated differently by the refs when we got promoted in 2008 can't remember which game it was but remember walking home feeling very sorry for the team we had played,they had a couple of stonewall penos waived away which I'm sure would have normally been given! Just thought everything went our way that season. The mists of time have eroded the details for me too, but I recall quite the reverse, I distinctly recall refs almost making a point of calling our players by their number, whilst cosying up on first name terms with many of our opponents, and this wasn't a one-off, it was multiple refs. Also thought virtually every 50-50 that season went our opponents way, which actually helped and cemented our siege mentality that year...
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Post by mattythestokie on Sept 4, 2016 10:02:19 GMT
It's nothing about being corrupt, it's more a matter of true justice if anything, and the FA not wanting get decisions wrong.
Halsey claims to have seen the Nzonzi incident, deemed it not a red card, but obviously looking at it again it's viewed as an elbow and a red card offence.
In order to get justice and true punishment, Nzonzi needs to get a 3 match ban but can't if the ref says he's seen it, so it's a matter of being pressured into Nzonzi getting the correct retrospective ban.
The FA if anything, in this incident anyway, have used it for good.
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Post by Robo10 on Sept 4, 2016 10:11:46 GMT
You only have to look at Gary Neville not getting sent off for hacking Ethers down a second time (before half time, and effectively ending Nevilles career as he knew he wasnt quick enough anymore, and is happy to admit it!)
Same game same ref couldnt wait to send Wilko off for tripping Ronaldo.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Sept 4, 2016 10:13:21 GMT
You only have to look at Gary Neville not getting sent off for hacking Ethers down a second time (before half time, and effectively ending Nevilles career as he knew he wasnt quick enough anymore, and is happy to admit it!) Same game same ref couldnt wait to send Wilko off for tripping Ronaldo. And ref and liner both conveniently missed Rooneys elbow on Faye...
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Post by Robo10 on Sept 4, 2016 10:13:53 GMT
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Post by Robo10 on Sept 4, 2016 10:15:05 GMT
Might be mistaken in the sending off, maybe a different game v Utd
Memory still outraged :-)
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 4, 2016 10:20:15 GMT
Dedicated to all those who persist in believing that there was no interference from the FA to 'aid and abet' Leicester to win the Premier League !! Just go and revisit all the decisions which were given in their favour last year in the light of Halsey's revelations about FA interference. The Premier League is a multi-billion spinner. It was evident last year that the Big Guns were not up to it and what better to continue to generate interest and excitement from the millions of viewers around the world (and of course to continue to rake in the billions of pounds in various forms of revenue) then to invent the Leicester fairy tale ? I will not go so far to say that Leicester are completely without any merit in winning the title, but I cam 1000% convinced that if Leicester were treated by the refs in the same way as eg Stoke City, they would have fallen way short of landing the title. Halsey hasn't revealed anything about FA interference. In fact his allegation is specific that he received no instructions from the FA. He alleges he was asked to say he didn't see an incident (which he says he did see) by the referee's body which is not part of the FA.
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Sept 4, 2016 10:43:31 GMT
To be fair Jonathan Woodgate should of been sent off at Wolves. He should of been booked twice.
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Post by unknown182 on Sept 4, 2016 11:06:45 GMT
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 4, 2016 11:24:29 GMT
The FA didn't make him lie, it was the PGMOL. However as an addition - if he was so angry at the time why didn't he say something then instead of now. He's causing problems as being outspoken for some reason, has he got a book out or doing speaking sessions or something? After all this If we don't get a penalty in the next game I'll be amazed.
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Post by senojbor on Sept 4, 2016 11:38:31 GMT
A few years ago Gary Neville Scythed down Matty Etherington. It was a clear bookable offence, Matty skinned him and was away Neville was already on a yellow and the ref (anyone remember him?) didn't send him off. Neville said himself he got away with one. Biggest fix I've ever seen in a game!
Edit: Glad someone else brought it up, haven't read the whole thread sorry
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2016 11:42:38 GMT
Best thread title ever Werrington.
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Post by gonk on Sept 4, 2016 11:49:38 GMT
Theres the report from the match .Are Stoke City becoming victims? The scenario seems implausible, given their physicality, but it has become a possibility in recent weeks and emerged again here after Everton's Marouane Fellaini butted Ryan Shawcross only for the referee to miss the incident. Everton manager David Moyes was seething about the conduct of his midfielder, who is facing the prospect of a ban through retrospective action. With Everton looking frustrated, having just conceded an equaliser, Fellaini struck Shawcross with his head while they tussled during a corner. Had referee Mark Halsey spotted it, Fellaini would surely have been sent off. “We’ll take the punishment if it’s given,” Moyes said. “I’ve told him that it’s not acceptable and I’m not accepting it as manager.” Shawcross, so often a pillar of strength at the heart of Stoke’s defence, was in the wars here, with Everton players appearing to target him for some rough treatment. On a testing afternoon, he also scored an own goal that put his team behind. He was struck in three incidents in particular, two involving Fellaini. Discussing the butt, Tony Pulis, the Stoke manager, said: “If Mark Halsey has seen it, then why hasn’t he acted? You’ve got to hope he didn’t see it. What Fellaini did what was wrong.”
Although Fellaini’s behaviour was inexcusable, Stoke (4-4-1-1): Begovic; Cameron, Shawcross, Huth, Wilkinson; Walters, Whelan, Nzonzi, Etherington (Kightly 85); Adam (Jerome 73); Jones (Crouch 77). Substitutes: Sorensen (gk), Palacios, Whitehead, Upson. Booked: Begovic. Everton (4-4-1-1): Howard; Coleman, Jagielka, Distin, Baines; Naismith (Barkley 71), Osman, Gibson, Pienaar; Fellaini; Jelavic. Substitutes: Mucha (gk), Heitinga, Oviedo, Hitzlsperger, Vellios, Duffy. Referee: Mark Halsey (Lancashire).
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 4, 2016 11:50:02 GMT
A few years ago Gary Neville Scythed down Matty Etherington. It was a clear bookable offence, Matty skinned him and was away Neville was already on a yellow and the ref (anyone remember him?) didn't send him off. Neville said himself he got away with one. Biggest fix I've ever seen in a game! Edit: Glad someone else brought it up, haven't read the whole thread sorry And fergie subbed him shortly after as he was a cert for another card
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Post by djduncanjames on Sept 4, 2016 12:39:01 GMT
Something Tone pointed out above I didnt realise:
“I think this was our 85th game in the Premier League and in all those we’ve had only three penalties.”
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 4, 2016 12:48:37 GMT
Something Tone pointed out above I didnt realise: “I think this was our 85th game in the Premier League and in all those we’ve had only three penalties.” Was that true though? He had a habit of making shit up.
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Post by greenhoff74 on Sept 4, 2016 12:52:33 GMT
Something Tone pointed out above I didnt realise: “I think this was our 85th game in the Premier League and in all those we’ve had only three penalties.” Yeah well we didn't get in the penalty area much when Tone was here.😉
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