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Post by partickpotter on Sept 2, 2016 19:27:19 GMT
Wise up folks. TP knows what he is doing. Just look at the league table. He's got West Brom safely placed in mid table, on track to hit 40 points. Us on the other hand, rock bottom.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 2, 2016 19:32:54 GMT
TPs signings in the first couple of seasons of the Prem were pretty good on the whole, (there was some shit) particularly when not spending much money. I think though even then there was a big disparity in the money compared to now. To think we'd be bidding £20m for player back then would have been ridiculous- now it's not that hard to believe.
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Post by mattador78 on Sept 2, 2016 19:33:49 GMT
Palacious. Shudders violently. Aresmedi. Scratches head. Kitson. Vomits. Sonko. Giggles. But with pulis for everyone of those there is a fuller, beattie, shawcross, delap or walters. My opinion of tone is he has a system sticks to it does well then tries to improve what hes got and loses his head. How did we ever go from championship relegation fodder to a mid-table club and a cup final with such awful transfers. I get that you highlighted his good too but the way you focus on negative signings is disrespectful. ? How am i being disrespectful im just responding to the op asking about tones transfer policy by saying his transfers range from the ridiculous to the sublime. I think every manager can do the same fergies transfers could go both ways for every ronaldo there was a anderson for ban der saar or schmeichal there was a tabia. Tone did great for our club now hes not here end of, like moses he brought us out of the desert but its up to somebody else now to keep is in the promised land
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 2, 2016 20:10:44 GMT
Someone's head has to roll at west brom over the berahino fuck up.
They just pissed 20 million down the toilet and what for? Pulis would play anyone else up front rather than him and they can't sack him now because he is the only person who would keep them up. He's going to sign for a foreign team on a short deal then get sold back to a prem team.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2016 21:02:47 GMT
He spend the fabled £80m-plus here on a mix of decent solid players, but for every one of those, there was also a complete shitter. Michael Kightly is still having four wanks a day even now, after his multiple contract extensions that Tone handed him, based on contibuting 2/5 of fuck all. He then went to Palace, and a couple of months in, was asked by a reporter how and why he was managing to play a better standard of 'football' there, than he'd become renowned for here. He stated that the squad of players at Palace was better than he had at Stoke, and this allowed him to play in a different style. That 'better' Palace team was built by Neil Warnock for around £15m iirc. Supertone in a nutshell. Michael Kightly was only here for 2 years what bollocks is this? Apologies, meant Tonge.
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 2, 2016 21:21:17 GMT
Wise up folks. TP knows what he is doing. Just look at the league table. He's got West Brom safely placed in mid table, on track to hit 40 points. Us on the other hand, rock bottom. Reminds me of an old song It ain't where you start it's where you finish Let's have another look in May
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 2, 2016 21:36:37 GMT
Wise up folks. TP knows what he is doing. Just look at the league table. He's got West Brom safely placed in mid table, on track to hit 40 points. Us on the other hand, rock bottom. Reminds me of an old song It ain't where you start it's where you finish Let's have another look in May Maybe Come back and finish what you started
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 2, 2016 22:46:29 GMT
Wise up folks. TP knows what he is doing. Just look at the league table. He's got West Brom safely placed in mid table, on track to hit 40 points. Us on the other hand, rock bottom. Reminds me of an old song It ain't where you start it's where you finish Let's have another look in May Don't look back in anger could be a fitting song for this thread.
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Post by ohbottom on Sept 2, 2016 22:50:23 GMT
Tone is essentially a firefighter,and a very good one at that. The problem is once he has put the fire out his job is done and there isn't really much use for him.And if he hangs around long enough he seems intent on starting another fire in order to extinguish it again. The problem is, after putting the fire out he won't stop chucking on buckets of cold water. There's only so many buckets of cold water I'll put up with....
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Post by burge2u on Sept 3, 2016 6:38:55 GMT
Sorry, I'm too old to do links, but I've just read on the Teamtalk.com website that the West Brom chairman is blaming Pulis for transfer failings.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 3, 2016 10:23:13 GMT
Was as wondering how long it would be before the two tribes were named.
No mention of the PHWs yet then? (Ooops.)
Out of interest albion1 what do your lot call the respective Pulis in / out camps? Just a very simple/boring pro or anti Pulis Alan Irvine was a woeful manager out of his depth. According to some we were 100% nailed on to go down under him and although we might have we were outside the relegation zone when Pulis took over (we had only spent the first 3/4 weeks of the season inside the bottom 3 if I remeber correctly) after Irvine had been given practically no money to spend in the summer. The year before we had a combination of Steve Clarke, Keith Downing and Pepe Mel who the fans liked but by all accounts was something of a laughing stock among the players. Despite this we still stayed up. The 3 years previous we finished 8th, 10th and 11th. Pulis has since come in, broken our transfer record twice, signed players of a far higher caliber that were ever available to us before (Evans, Rondon etc), can afford to spend £8m on a reserve right back who he never plays, £5m on a winger who never plays, has signed well over 11 senior players before this window and despite all to this to some he is a miracle worker performing wonders to keep us in the division. No other manager could possibly do what he does (some genuinely think not even Mourinho or Guardiola could keep us with this squad which is A) bollocks and B) wonderfully ignores the fact Pulis is largely responsible for the state of the squad) and that if he left tomorrow we were instantly nailed on to go down. Yep. Ben there, seen that, got the t-shirt...more than once.
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Post by generationex on Sept 3, 2016 10:34:26 GMT
He signed a dozen or more players for stoke that could genuinely be described as legends.
He doesn't seem to be replicating that at Albion, although so far Hughes isn't either at stoke!
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Post by rawli on Sept 3, 2016 10:37:47 GMT
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Post by senojbor on Sept 3, 2016 12:13:13 GMT
From a few posts on here when Pulis first joined us and occasional visits since I know there's nothing everyone loves more (both Stoke and Albion fans) than a nice healthy balanced debate about everyone's favorite manager - Tony Pulis. Seriously has anyone ever split opinions quite as much as he has? Anyway although I appreciate this will most likely turn out like pretty much every other Pulis thread over the last decade I was looking for some insight in to how your transfers were conducted when Pulis was in charge. Following the absolute fuck up that was our window and in particular deadline day there's plenty of rumors on where the blame lies with the new chairman now coming out and not so subtlety blaming Pulis for the collapse of the Camacho deal. Whilst I am sure both the club and Pulis are to blame in some area's I'm sure there were many similarities to windows you guys used to have under Pulis. Eg bids seemingly in for a player, a deal close and then 'someone' changes their mind and it's not completed after terms/medical have been agreed (Did Huddlestone not basically sign one year for you? Similar to our Sakho/Camacho deals this year). Also how everything seems to be left until deadline day? Stoke were always among the busiest teams from memory whilst I think h signed 5 players on TDD at Palace. It's noticeable now how much later we do the majority of our signings since Pulis arrived. Also who had the final say on transfers and did you have a technical or sporting director at the time and if so did they do anything or was it a token role. I wont bother going to to his preference for UK based talent as I think his distrust of anything foreign is pretty well established by now. So yeh among the usual repies of 'oh great another Pulis thread' any insight you can give in to how the transfer system worked for you would be great. As a side note you must be petty happy with the window in the end? I was surprised to see Wollscheid go even with Martins Indi signing? As for Berahino I'm not sure if you dodged a bullet or not. £20m seems steep but in the market for a domestic player aged 22 was probably a fair price. He's has been absolute dog shit for us for a while now. I think many fans blame this on his attitude but personally I think that's a bit lazy and the effort appears to be there. There's a very decent player in there and plenty of time for him to come good. I think a move to Stoke would be a great move for all 3 parties and would have backed him to score 15+ if he had signed for you. Since the mess with the Spurs move last season he is playing for a manager who doesn't want him and then plays him out of position and in front of fans where the large majority are on his back the first time he makes even the slightest mistake. Saying that missing 2 penalties in 1 game probably didn't help him win round any doubters. Facts you need to know 1) Pulis made some great signing, Shawcross, Faye, Huth, Whelan, Etherington, Begovic, N'Zonzi, Butland, Crouch, Walters, Pennant, Fuller and a few others. The timing is irrelevant. 2) He made some that didn't work out, but more often than not he got it right. 3) Berahino is not a Pulis type CF. Pulis works on percentages (balls into the box) and knows that he's not going to get onto crosses unlike Rondon 4) He doesn't like chairmen who tell him who to sign. He likes to have complete control of footballing matters. 5) You are right he's not a fan of a multi-lingual dressing room and highlighted it when he came back the second time. However as the list above confirms he did sign foreign players but usually only with enough PL experience. 6) Any of the players named in 1 in their day would walk into your present side. Your Chairman is at odds with him but he should let him do his job.
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Post by oslostokie1 on Sept 3, 2016 13:10:02 GMT
Personally I don't think Pulis had a lot to do with the Butland signing as I remember him coming on Radio Stoke moaning about what a poor January transfer window we had, with only Butland and Shea signed. He muttered something about not getting the signings he needed for the present rather than "ones for the future", very much implying that some control had been taken away from him (ie. Cartwright) and targets had not been secured as a result. We then proceeded to go on a dreadful run.
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Post by Jimm on Sept 3, 2016 13:17:01 GMT
He's got Momo Sissoko and Chamakh on trail and playing this afternoon lol
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Post by kustokie on Sept 3, 2016 13:23:16 GMT
For me the biggest difference between Pullis and Hughes Arise from their differences in style of play, These differences clearly affect the type of player they go after. Pullis has a very clear understanding of what he wants. He builds a foundation based on a strong, rugged defense and goes from there, so he knows exactly the type of player he wants. Hughes seems to prefer 4-2-3-1, with reversed wingers and overlapping fullbacks. Hence we have Shaqiri and Arni playing on the opposite wings, which is fine (I guess) but we have been unable find good attacking FBs (apart from Johnson, who's always injured) so that strategy has sputtered.
Until Bony, the CFs he's brought in (Diouf and Joselu) did not live up to expectations (which makes you wonder about the scouts). For one reason or another neither Joselu or Diouf did not have extensive runs to get established up front, and didn't score many goals. TBF to Diouf he had to play on the right wing due to injuries to Shaq. Joselu has gone. So we have ended up relying quite a bit on Pulis's favorites Crouch and Waltres. Hopefully, Bony will be different gravy.
Hughes's signings in central defense, Teixiera and Wollschedit have flopped and both are gone. Woolly showed promise at times, but at other times he was Bambi on ice with the turning circle of a 747 Johnson at RB was a revelation going forward and seemed to be what we needed as an overlapping RB. We have experimented pre-season with 3-5-2, and it was a shambles because Johnson couldn't cover Wollschedit on the right, and Pieters is dreadful going forward. Johnson had resurrected his career until injured. Hughes has a very good eye for central midfielders and has been able to attract great players: Bojan, Imbula, Allen, and Affelay. Very unfortunate serious injuries to Bojan and Affelay have kept them out for long periods. Bojan is nowhere near where he was before tearing his ACL and Affelay won't be back until Christmas. So the midfield three are still not settled and we often turn to another Pulis signing, Charlie Adam to give some urgency and drive in central midfield. Ireland also made appearances. Until he broke his leg.
Butland is one of the top three GKs until his broken leg and he's still out due to complications. You'll get very mixed reviews on the two GKs Hughes has signed. Given at 40 years old was brought in as a back up and a mentor to Butland. He has been OK but let in a lot more goals than Butland - but some of that can be attributed to the shaky players in front of him. Haugaard who supposed to the number 2 behind Butland. Early signs in pre-season and the Cups were promising, but he was pretty poor when give an extended run and the number 2 and now the starter is Given.
So I'd give give Hughes C+ for his signings so far. I'd give Pulis a B while at Stoke just because he was more successful than Hughes at bringing the type of player that suits his style. That said, injuries have hurt Hughes a lot and Allen, Ibi and Bony are largely unknown quantities. Sohbi (an U-21 from Egypt) looks a great prospect but he plays the same position as Arni.
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Post by tijuanabrass on Sept 3, 2016 13:28:20 GMT
One Pulis trope that is likely to prove controversial in this thread was his knack at forcing a chairman's hand if Apples weren't dropping. Towards the end of a window, if he hasn't got his own way, expect results and performances to wobble. I wouldn't go as far as to say he chucked games but there was occasionally a perceived under-delivery mid- window.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 3, 2016 13:54:11 GMT
For me the biggest difference between Pullis and Hughes Arise from their differences in style of play, These differences clearly affect the type of player they go after. Pullis has a very clear understanding of what he wants. He builds a foundation based on a strong, rugged defense and goes from there, so he knows exactly the type of player he wants. Hughes seems to prefer 4-2-3-1, with reversed wingers and overlapping fullbacks. Hence we have Shaqiri and Arni playing on the opposite wings, which is fine (I guess) but we have been unable find good attacking FBs (apart from Johnson, who's always injured) so that strategy has sputtered. Until Bony, the CFs he's brought in (Diouf and Joselu) did not live up to expectations (which makes you wonder about the scouts). For one reason or another neither Joselu or Diouf did not have extensive runs to get established up front, and didn't score many goals. TBF to Diouf he had to play on the right wing due to injuries to Shaq. Joselu has gone. So we have ended up relying quite a bit on Pulis's favorites Crouch and Waltres. Hopefully, Bony will be different gravy. Hughes's signings in central defense, Teixiera and Wollschedit have flopped and both are gone. Woolly showed promise at times, but at other times he was Bambi on ice with the turning circle of a 747 Johnson at RB was a revelation going forward and seemed to be what we needed as an overlapping RB. We have experimented pre-season with 3-5-2, and it was a shambles because Johnson couldn't cover Wollschedit on the right, and Pieters is dreadful going forward. Johnson had resurrected his career until injured. Hughes has a very good eye for central midfielders and has been able to attract great players: Bojan, Imbula, Allen, and Affelay. Very unfortunate serious injuries to Bojan and Affelay have kept them out for long periods. Bojan is nowhere near where he was before tearing his ACL and Affelay won't be back until Christmas. So the midfield three are still not settled and we often turn to another Pulis signing, Charlie Adam to give some urgency and drive in central midfield. Ireland also made appearances. Until he broke his leg. Butland is one of the top three GKs until his broken leg and he's still out due to complications. You'll get very mixed reviews on the two GKs Hughes has signed. Given at 40 years old was brought in as a back up and a mentor to Butland. He has been OK but let in a lot more goals than Butland - but some of that can be attributed to the shaky players in front of him. Haugaard who supposed to the number 2 behind Butland. Early signs in pre-season and the Cups were promising, but he was pretty poor when give an extended run and the number 2 and now the starter is Given. So I'd give give Hughes C+ for his signings so far. I'd give Pulis a B while at Stoke just because he was more successful than Hughes at bringing the type of player that suits his style. That said, injuries have hurt Hughes a lot and Allen, Ibi and Bony are largely unknown quantities. Sohbi (an U-21 from Egypt) looks a great prospect but he plays the same position as Arni. It went wrong for Pulis when he started bringing in more and more players - some of them at great expense - who didn't fit his system. He was the master of square pegs in round holes as well, more so than Hughes.
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Post by TexasPotter on Sept 3, 2016 13:59:23 GMT
Wow a proper thread without Bayern coming in and fucking it up. Can this be bookmarked?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 3, 2016 14:13:03 GMT
Sissoko and Chamakh lining up for them today🤔
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Post by mattador78 on Sept 3, 2016 14:48:39 GMT
Sissoko and Chamakh lining up for them today🤔 Just seen it tp gets his man
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Post by ruts66 on Sept 3, 2016 14:54:57 GMT
I think TP likes leaving transfers to the last minute because it puts those holding the purse strings under pressure which works to his advantage. It's clever and manipulative...
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Post by nott1 on Sept 3, 2016 15:58:33 GMT
Someone's head has to roll at west brom over the berahino fuck up. They just pissed 20 million down the toilet and what for? Pulis would play anyone else up front rather than him and they can't sack him now because he is the only person who would keep them up. He's going to sign for a foreign team on a short deal then get sold back to a prem team. Us.
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Post by senojbor on Sept 3, 2016 16:16:22 GMT
Personally I don't think Pulis had a lot to do with the Butland signing as I remember him coming on Radio Stoke moaning about what a poor January transfer window we had, with only Butland and Shea signed. He muttered something about not getting the signings he needed for the present rather than "ones for the future", very much implying that some control had been taken away from him (ie. Cartwright) and targets had not been secured as a result. We then proceeded to go on a dreadful run. Nearly identical to the run we're on now, still finished the season with 42 points.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 3, 2016 16:19:14 GMT
Personally I don't think Pulis had a lot to do with the Butland signing as I remember him coming on Radio Stoke moaning about what a poor January transfer window we had, with only Butland and Shea signed. He muttered something about not getting the signings he needed for the present rather than "ones for the future", very much implying that some control had been taken away from him (ie. Cartwright) and targets had not been secured as a result. We then proceeded to go on a dreadful run. Nearly identical to the run we're on now, still finished the season with 42 points. Whoopdy do. We shouldn't have been in anything like that mess given the players we had and the signings he made.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 3, 2016 16:33:13 GMT
Chamakh lasted 26 minutes before going off injured
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Post by kustokie on Sept 3, 2016 16:43:11 GMT
I think TP likes leaving transfers to the last minute because it puts those holding the purse strings under pressure which works to his advantage. It's clever and manipulative... I agree but it's also risky because you may lose out on a key target. And don't forget the de Ghea cock up a couple of seasons ago, which got screwed up because the FAX machine broke. Who uses FAX machines in this day and age is beyond me but, hey, shit happens. EDIT: left out the word "risky" which the post incomprehensible!
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Post by blackpoolred on Sept 3, 2016 16:59:32 GMT
Bottom line: If you are Stoke, WBA, Palace etc then you are last resort and all players will wait to the end of the window to see if anything better comes up. Sadly, after that I think it goes down to location, so teams like Palace have the edge, the modern day designer footballer has to be able to be in a place where they can get a bikini wax, so will always be London over Stoke. When they end up at places like Stoke/WBA I dont think they give a toss about mangers and style of play, just who offers them the most money.
For me Pulis signings were better and he even brought the best out of 1 or 2 of them. on the flip side Hughes signings have been poor and he struggles to bring the best out of his players, even the so called better players he has signed. He referred to his new signings of last year and the previous as the 'Dream Team' those players mainly being Van Ginkel, Afellay, Diouf, Shaqiri, Joselu - all have pretty much been flops or hardly set the place on fire.
In the beginning Hughes added a bit of much needed flair to the Pulis squad, but bit by bit we are being turned into a pushover team with no balance. Bottom line: We will struggle this season, WBA will not. The question for WBA is can you stand the way Pulis plays the game, it was a bone of contention for most on here and think it was safe to say that nearly all of us were glad he departed when he did. So Pulis in the transfer market get's a 7 out of 10 and Hughes a 4 out of 10, you may have also noticed that Pulis is a little better at keeping his players than Hughes too.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 3, 2016 17:02:14 GMT
Bottom line: If you are Stoke, WBA, Palace etc then you are last resort and all players will wait to the end of the window to see if anything better comes up. Sadly, after that I think it goes down to location, so teams like Palace have the edge, the modern day designer footballer has to be able to be in a place where they can get a bikini wax, so will always be London over Stoke. When they end up at places like Stoke/WBA I dont think they give a toss about mangers and style of play, just who offers them the most money. For me Pulis signings were better and he even brought the best out of 1 or 2 of them. on the flip side Hughes signings have been poor and he struggles to bring the best out of his players, even the so called better players he has signed. He referred to his new signings of last year and the previous as the 'Dream Team' those players mainly being Van Ginkel, Afellay, Diouf, Shaqiri, Joselu - all have pretty much been flops or hardly set the place on fire. In the beginning Hughes added a bit of much needed flair to the Pulis squad, but bit by bit we are being turned into a pushover team with no balance. Bottom line: We will struggle this season, WBA will not. The question for WBA is can you stand the way Pulis plays the game, it was a bone of contention for most on here and think it was safe to say that nearly all of us were glad he departed when he did. So Pulis in the transfer market get's a 7 out of 10 and Hughes a 4 out of 10, you may have also noticed that Pulis is a little better at keeping his players than Hughes too. Do you think Nzonzi and Begovic would have signed new contracts under Pulis then? Pulis wasn't sacked purely because of style of play and the idea Hughes' success has been achieved by riding on Pulis' coattails boils my piss every time it's implied on here.
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