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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 7:46:29 GMT
I think our team would create more chances if we had left footed player on the left wing and right footed winger on the right. Anyone else think that this is a problem with our team, everytime we break down the wing we pull the ball back to our favoured foot giving their defence more time to get back. Now with diouf up front, our team would benefit more from balls whipped in without hesitation in my view.
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Aug 29, 2016 8:25:07 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 29, 2016 8:25:07 GMT
If I was Arnie, or any other winger, I would practice crossing with my weaker foot for an hour every day.
arnie can't be doing that, or shaqiri, because they do the same thing every time.
What price a two footed winger eh?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 8:34:45 GMT
If I was Arnie, or any other winger, I would practice crossing with my weaker foot for an hour every day. arnie can't be doing that, or shaqiri, because they do the same thing every time. What price a two footed winger eh? Arnie is a brilliant passer of the ball, he should either be more central or on the right. Our main focus should be creating chances for our strikers, not cutting in and shooting from long range. Shakiri should be on the left when available.
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Post by kurt on Aug 29, 2016 8:38:50 GMT
If Arni would play on the right wing, he´d deliver several decent crosses each game.
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Aug 29, 2016 8:40:48 GMT
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Post by ElworthPotter on Aug 29, 2016 8:40:48 GMT
If I was Arnie, or any other winger, I would practice crossing with my weaker foot for an hour every day. arnie can't be doing that, or shaqiri, because they do the same thing every time. What price a two footed winger eh? The thing that gets me is Arnie CAN do it. He's set up several goals crossing with his left and delivered a few dangerous balls in. He just doesn't do it enough which winds me up. Shaq, on the other hand. His right foot's just for standing on
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Post by jarvinski on Aug 29, 2016 9:05:34 GMT
We haven't had a proper winger since Moses
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Aug 29, 2016 9:16:29 GMT
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Post by wearestoke80 on Aug 29, 2016 9:16:29 GMT
We've not had a winger who can cross a ball since ethrington and pennant
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Post by boweryboy on Aug 29, 2016 10:52:48 GMT
1.Arnie and Shaquri are not natural wingers..that's why they both turn inside 2.they both lack the pace to take on the Fullback on the outside,that's why they don't to everyone's frustration,most of the premier league teams have someone who is bursting a gut to get to the byeline....not ours,that's what makes them so predictable,which is another avenue we have closed to creating chances.come on Mark,talk about not seeing the wood for the trees....
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Aug 29, 2016 10:54:29 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 29, 2016 10:54:29 GMT
They're not wingers no, but seeing as we don't play with with wingers I think it may be you not seeing the wood for the trees.
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Post by unknown182 on Aug 29, 2016 11:28:22 GMT
There is nothing wrong with Arnie and Shaqiri cutting inside. But they need overlapping fullbacks next to them who will put these crosses into the box. Pieters can't cross to save his life so has recently given up on supporting Arnie at all. Johnson did well last season and Shaqiri looked twice the player when he was playing alongside him.
Spurs play with Erikson and Lamela who both cut inside. Southampton play with Tadic and Davies, Liverpool play with Mane and Lallana, West Ham have Lanzini and Payet. Everton have Bolasie and Mirallas. All of these players prefer to cut inside but the difference is, all of the teams i've listed have top quality fullbacks who get forward and create chances. Whoever we play out wide will just be marked out of games unless they have support.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 12:00:14 GMT
There is nothing wrong with Arnie and Shaqiri cutting inside. But they need overlapping fullbacks next to them who will put these crosses into the box. Pieters can't cross to save his life so has recently given up on supporting Arnie at all. Johnson did well last season and Shaqiri looked twice the player when he was playing alongside him. Spurs play with Erikson and Lamela who both cut inside. Southampton play with Tadic and Davies, Liverpool play with Mane and Lallana, West Ham have Lanzini and Payet. Everton have Bolasie and Mirallas. All of these players prefer to cut inside but the difference is, all of the teams i've listed have top quality fullbacks who get forward and create chances. Whoever we play out wide will just be marked out of games unless they have support. I see your point, but too often when they cut inside they shoot themselves. Our strikers need service, at the moment they are under too much pressure because they struggle to get 1 chance in a game, and if they don't take it confidence takes another hit and the fans are on their back. We need to be playing for the strikers, giving them as many opportunities as possible, not trying to score from midfield all the time. Which ever way you look at it, if diouf is up front our players first thought should be where is diouf.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Aug 29, 2016 12:09:02 GMT
As per the OP, I have been saying this for months, defences know that Arnie and Shaq are going to cut inside as soon as they get the ball so guide them toward the midfield traffic which usually ends up with any momentum or move breaking down. Gouranga.
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Post by boweryboy on Aug 29, 2016 17:52:04 GMT
So why do we refer to them as wingers...so we are soley relying on Bardsley and Pieters to put in quality crosses for our forwards to feed off are we...no wonder we are where we are....
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Aug 29, 2016 17:54:24 GMT
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Post by lordb on Aug 29, 2016 17:54:24 GMT
There is nothing wrong with Arnie and Shaqiri cutting inside. But they need overlapping fullbacks next to them who will put these crosses into the box. Pieters can't cross to save his life so has recently given up on supporting Arnie at all. Johnson did well last season and Shaqiri looked twice the player when he was playing alongside him. Spurs play with Erikson and Lamela who both cut inside. Southampton play with Tadic and Davies, Liverpool play with Mane and Lallana, West Ham have Lanzini and Payet. Everton have Bolasie and Mirallas. All of these players prefer to cut inside but the difference is, all of the teams i've listed have top quality fullbacks who get forward and create chances. Whoever we play out wide will just be marked out of games unless they have support. Eric supports well enough until he has to cross. Shaqiri plays better when Johnson plays. So better fullbacks are in order.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 29, 2016 17:58:08 GMT
If they swapped over occasionally during a game it would help.
Arnie has two great feet. His crossing from the left and the right has been exceptionally good since the day he arrived here
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Aug 29, 2016 17:59:48 GMT
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Post by lordb on Aug 29, 2016 17:59:48 GMT
If they swapped over occasionally during a game it would help. Arnie has two great feet. His crossing from the left and the right has been exceptionally good since the day he arrived here Arnie could play as the main striker and in the inside forward role too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 18:02:31 GMT
I've only said it for 18 months now. Were so predictable. Roll the ball over there feet trying look good until the 18 yard box then cut inside and play another square pointless ball. Or go for the eye of a needle ball which comes off twice a season. We need a bloody speedster who can turn a full back and whip a ball in.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 18:13:35 GMT
There is nothing wrong with Arnie and Shaqiri cutting inside. But they need overlapping fullbacks next to them who will put these crosses into the box. Pieters can't cross to save his life so has recently given up on supporting Arnie at all. Johnson did well last season and Shaqiri looked twice the player when he was playing alongside him. Spurs play with Erikson and Lamela who both cut inside. Southampton play with Tadic and Davies, Liverpool play with Mane and Lallana, West Ham have Lanzini and Payet. Everton have Bolasie and Mirallas. All of these players prefer to cut inside but the difference is, all of the teams i've listed have top quality fullbacks who get forward and create chances. Whoever we play out wide will just be marked out of games unless they have support. Eric supports well enough until he has to cross. Shaqiri plays better when Johnson plays. So better fullbacks are in order. You can't really counter using fullbacks though and a large problem we have is getting the ball into our forwards quick enough. We need to cause defenders problems and getting them to make mistakes. Being a little more direct on the counter could help. It wouldn't hurt to try. At the moment we give defenders too much time to get into position.
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Aug 29, 2016 18:14:19 GMT
Easy to defend a narrow attack, neither Shaq or Arnie mix it up enough and they are both capable.
Very difficult as a centre forward as the ball is never coming at them, its always running away from them.
I said it last week, service to Diouf is shit and I don't see it changing whichever centre forward we bring in.
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Post by boweryboy on Aug 29, 2016 18:28:30 GMT
It hasn't occurred to Mark Hughes yet that he can rotate his centre forward for as long as he has got a hole up his arse.(and he has)but whoever it is won't score unless quality service is forth coming....
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 29, 2016 18:37:11 GMT
If they swapped over occasionally during a game it would help. Arnie has two great feet. His crossing from the left and the right has been exceptionally good since the day he arrived here Arnie could play as the main striker and in the inside forward role too. I've said it before mate...if we had 4 Arnie's, I'd play him in all 4 forward positions
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 29, 2016 19:58:47 GMT
Arnie can't play up front, his finishing is nowhere near good enough, also he would become massively frustrated if he was being man marked by two centre backs, it's just not his natural game.
He's great a making late runs into space, ghosting in from the left, stick him up front and that skill is taken away instantly.
He's also an infinitely better player when he's playing on the left flank rather than on the right, watching him here for the last three years demonstrates this unequstionably.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 29, 2016 20:45:55 GMT
Arnie can't play up front, his finishing is nowhere near good enough, also he would become massively frustrated if he was being man marked by two centre backs, it's just not his natural game. He's great a making late runs into space, ghosting in from the left, stick him up front and that skill is taken away instantly. He's also an infinitely better player when he's playing on the left flank rather than on the right, watching him here for the last three years demonstrates this unequstionably. He's had plenty of good games on the right as well and as a back to goal centre forward he would be awesome. He might be best on the left but if we had 4 of him, he'd be the best option we currently have in all 4 of the forward positions. Sadly we have only one Arnie and several other poor alternatives, some very poor ones
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Aug 29, 2016 20:49:47 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 29, 2016 20:49:47 GMT
Arnie can't play up front, his finishing is nowhere near good enough, also he would become massively frustrated if he was being man marked by two centre backs, it's just not his natural game. He's great a making late runs into space, ghosting in from the left, stick him up front and that skill is taken away instantly. He's also an infinitely better player when he's playing on the left flank rather than on the right, watching him here for the last three years demonstrates this unequstionably. He's had plenty of good games on the right as well and as a back to goal centre forward he would be awesome. He might be best on the left but if we had 4 of him, he'd be the best option we currently have in all 4 of the forward positions. Sadly we have only one Arnie and several other poor alternatives, some very poor ones Do we have four pretty naff centre forwards? Yes we do. Does that mean we should play Arnie there then instead? Erm ... no.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 29, 2016 20:53:29 GMT
He's had plenty of good games on the right as well and as a back to goal centre forward he would be awesome. He might be best on the left but if we had 4 of him, he'd be the best option we currently have in all 4 of the forward positions. Sadly we have only one Arnie and several other poor alternatives, some very poor ones Do we have four pretty naff centre forwards? Yes we do. Does that mean we should play Arnie there then instead? Erm ... no. If we had 4 of him, yes. If we had 4 of him I'd play one on the right, one on the left, one in the hole and the other one up front.
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Post by foster on Aug 29, 2016 21:03:16 GMT
Arnie can't play up front, his finishing is nowhere near good enough, also he would become massively frustrated if he was being man marked by two centre backs, it's just not his natural game. He's great a making late runs into space, ghosting in from the left, stick him up front and that skill is taken away instantly. He's also an infinitely better player when he's playing on the left flank rather than on the right, watching him here for the last three years demonstrates this unequstionably. I think the point was that Arnie would do a better job than whoever we play in those positions currently. As a striker he can control, hold up, protect and layoff the ball. As a winger he's the best we have. As a more central player he's the best we have at getting into spaces and making runs into the box.
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Aug 29, 2016 21:04:02 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 29, 2016 21:04:02 GMT
Do we have four pretty naff centre forwards? Yes we do. Does that mean we should play Arnie there then instead? Erm ... no. If we had 4 of him, yes. If we had 4 of him I'd play one on the right, one on the left, one in the hole and the other one up front. Fair enough. I'd be pretty pissed at Hughes if he'd bought four of him though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 21:07:32 GMT
We just don't do the classic wing-hugging/beat-your-man/cross thing; we cut in. Hughes doesn't set up like that, nor does he buy those sorts of players.
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Aug 29, 2016 21:10:22 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 29, 2016 21:10:22 GMT
If we had 4 of him, yes. If we had 4 of him I'd play one on the right, one on the left, one in the hole and the other one up front. Fair enough. I'd be pretty pissed at Hughes if he'd bought four of him though. 4 Arnie's at 2.75m would be infinitely more preferable to 1 shaqiri at 12m. We could get 6 of him for 1 imbula. Hell, we could even get 2 arnies's for one dean whitehead
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Post by foster on Aug 29, 2016 21:23:10 GMT
If we had 4 of him, yes. If we had 4 of him I'd play one on the right, one on the left, one in the hole and the other one up front. Fair enough. I'd be pretty pissed at Hughes if he'd bought four of him though. I think we'd be better with 4 players up top with Arnies attributes. All round he's a great player, albeit as you say not that strong a finisher. He's the biggest threat we have though and we'd create chances. Obviously this is impossible though so I'm not really sure why I'm even entertaining the idea. Need to bloody sign someone.
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