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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jan 26, 2017 15:49:28 GMT
Ironically there were protesting about police violence, and not the election. But yeah - go Trump. I heard he personally called the police to send them in there. In fact, another person tells me it was him under the helmet who slammed the protestor to the floor. 'Merica. Whatever they were protesting about they chose the wrong time and place to do it, did they consider or even care about the affect their action was going to have on innocent members of the public, did they do it in an orderly civilised matter no they saw fit to cause a disturbance and they got exactly what the deserved. I'm not actually defending them - it seems worthless to protest when the only people being inconvenienced are the general public. Although the women's march seemed to do it a fairly peaceful and organised manner, and they just called a bunch of dykes.
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Post by Gods on Jan 26, 2017 17:36:50 GMT
From David Gerrold: "I give him three months. That's the first 100 days. The next big set of demonstrations is scheduled for April 15, but I expect that the public revulsion of this puffed up twerp will likely explode before then. And ... oh, by the way -- while the clown is holding your attention in the center ring, over on the sides, where you're not paying attention, the rest of the Republican party are quietly and efficiently dismantling the government of The United States of America. Pay attention to the sideshow, folks. When the real con men have achieved their most important goals, that's when they'll get rid of the clown. IMHO." I don't know why or even if it is at all likely, I don't suppose so, but it did make me laugh Attachments:
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Post by woodstein on Jan 26, 2017 19:10:17 GMT
Correction: Bunch of ugly man hating dykes!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 27, 2017 11:27:51 GMT
Some were a bit funny though.....
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 27, 2017 11:28:29 GMT
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 27, 2017 11:30:15 GMT
Or you've got the somewhat more Anglo Saxon demonstration in Scotland....... Attachment Deleted
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Feb 13, 2017 11:13:27 GMT
The left-wing mob are becoming truely hysterical. This has got to be the best one so far... Some of the replies are a pisser
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 13, 2017 11:38:24 GMT
The other Grammy luvvies weren't happy
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Feb 13, 2017 12:06:06 GMT
The other Grammy luvvies weren't happy Yes, the stench of Trump does fill that large amount of empty space! And I'm not just talking about the lady's empty skull!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 13, 2017 22:01:42 GMT
Justin Trudeau: I won't lecture Trump over refugee ban - BBC I wonder if the same May bashers will be as vitriolic towards Trudeau...... Oh, and the Canadian opposition leader said; "This is a delicate situation here I don't think it would help anyone in this country if the prime minister went to the US and started a fight" Not like the whinging Liberal apologist piss bags over here.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 14, 2017 8:42:59 GMT
Justin Trudeau: I won't lecture Trump over refugee ban - BBC I wonder if the same May bashers will be as vitriolic towards Trudeau...... Oh, and the Canadian opposition leader said; "This is a delicate situation here I don't think it would help anyone in this country if the prime minister went to the US and started a fight" Not like the whinging Liberal apologist piss bags over here. May didn't need to 'lecture' Trump over the ban she just needed to make her position clear on it instead of trying to dodge the question when it was put to her by the journalists. In case you needed reminding here's what Trudeau tweeted right after the ban was announced "To those feeling persecution, terror and war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength #WelcomeToCanada"
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Feb 14, 2017 9:16:27 GMT
In case you needed reminding here's what Trudeau tweeted right after the ban was announced "To those feeling persecution, terror and war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength #WelcomeToCanada"
They're all for diversity, unless of course it's diversity of opinion. Canada is North America's answer to Sweden.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 14, 2017 9:52:40 GMT
Justin Trudeau: I won't lecture Trump over refugee ban - BBC I wonder if the same May bashers will be as vitriolic towards Trudeau...... Oh, and the Canadian opposition leader said; "This is a delicate situation here I don't think it would help anyone in this country if the prime minister went to the US and started a fight" Not like the whinging Liberal apologist piss bags over here. May didn't need to 'lecture' Trump over the ban she just needed to make her position clear on it instead of trying to dodge the question when it was put to her by the journalists. In case you needed reminding here's what Trudeau tweeted right after the ban was announced "To those feeling persecution, terror and war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength #WelcomeToCanada"
She did make her position clear. No. 10 said..... "Immigration policy in the United States is a matter for the government of the United States, just the same as immigration policy for this country should be set by our government. But we do not agree with this kind of approach and it is not one we will be taking." Even stronger than Trudeau don't you think? May comments directly about the ban. Trudeau tweets a CV soundbite about diversity.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 14, 2017 10:17:34 GMT
Official response to petition trying to ban Trump State visit...... HM Government believes the President of the United States should be extended the full courtesy of a State Visit. We look forward to welcoming President Trump once dates and arrangements are finalised.
HM Government supports this petition.
During her visit to the United States on 27 January 2017, the Prime Minister, on behalf of Her Majesty the Queen, invited President Trump for a State Visit to the UK later this year. The invitation was accepted. This invitation reflects the importance of the relationship between the United States of America and the United Kingdom. At this stage, final dates have not yet been agreed for the State Visit.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 14, 2017 10:27:06 GMT
May didn't need to 'lecture' Trump over the ban she just needed to make her position clear on it instead of trying to dodge the question when it was put to her by the journalists. In case you needed reminding here's what Trudeau tweeted right after the ban was announced "To those feeling persecution, terror and war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength #WelcomeToCanada"
She did make her position clear. No. 10 said..... "Immigration policy in the United States is a matter for the government of the United States, just the same as immigration policy for this country should be set by our government. But we do not agree with this kind of approach and it is not one we will be taking." Even stronger than Trudeau don't you think? May comments directly about the ban. Trudeau tweets a CV soundbite about diversity. She initially tried to avoid answering the question when asked by the press, and then when pressed further (I'm paraphrasing here) just said that what America do is up to them. Only after she was heavily criticised by some did she then make her position clear. Trudeau's tweet says effectively the same thing as May's comments except that he came right out and said it and wasn't reacting to a backlash from his own people when he said it.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 14, 2017 10:41:59 GMT
She did make her position clear. No. 10 said..... "Immigration policy in the United States is a matter for the government of the United States, just the same as immigration policy for this country should be set by our government. But we do not agree with this kind of approach and it is not one we will be taking." Even stronger than Trudeau don't you think? May comments directly about the ban. Trudeau tweets a CV soundbite about diversity. She initially tried to avoid answering the question when asked by the press, and then when pressed further (I'm paraphrasing here) just said that what America do is up to them. Only after she was heavily criticised by some did she then make her position clear. Trudeau's tweet says effectively the same thing as May's comments except that he came right out and said it and wasn't reacting to a backlash from his own people when he said it. Or, May was in the middle of important foreign visits to the US and Turkey and waited until she got back to No. 10 to receive a full briefing before condemning the ban. Trudeau doesn't even mention Trumps ban. He could send that same message today. He's just virtue signalling. The only 'backlash' as you say was made up by precious Liberals who think the speed of a tweet is a measure of morality. Personally, I prefer my Prime Minister to take suitable time to consider the facts on important international events.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 14, 2017 10:57:56 GMT
She initially tried to avoid answering the question when asked by the press, and then when pressed further (I'm paraphrasing here) just said that what America do is up to them. Only after she was heavily criticised by some did she then make her position clear. Trudeau's tweet says effectively the same thing as May's comments except that he came right out and said it and wasn't reacting to a backlash from his own people when he said it. Or, May was in the middle of important foreign visits to the US and Turkey and waited until she got back to No. 10 to receive a full briefing before condemning the ban. Trudeau doesn't even mention Trumps ban. He could send that same message today. He's just virtue signalling. The only 'backlash' as you say was made up by precious Liberals who think the speed of a tweet is a measure of morality. Personally, I prefer my Prime Minister to take suitable time to consider the facts on important international events. We have a difference of opinion and that's fine mate, you choose to catergorise those who were criticial of May as 'precious liberals' but I don't agree. It's not really a surprise that we disagree on this topic because I can count the number of times I've seen you criticise anything Tory related on one hand, maybe even on one finger.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 14, 2017 11:04:52 GMT
I see that 'The Donald' is continuing to cover himself in glory. The sacking of Flynn coming about, not because Trump had found out about his actions, but because the media did.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 14, 2017 11:15:52 GMT
Or, May was in the middle of important foreign visits to the US and Turkey and waited until she got back to No. 10 to receive a full briefing before condemning the ban. Trudeau doesn't even mention Trumps ban. He could send that same message today. He's just virtue signalling. The only 'backlash' as you say was made up by precious Liberals who think the speed of a tweet is a measure of morality. Personally, I prefer my Prime Minister to take suitable time to consider the facts on important international events. We have a difference of opinion and that's fine mate, you choose to catergorise those who were criticial of May as 'precious liberals' but I don't agree. It's not really a surprise that we disagree on this topic because I can count the number of times I've seen you criticise anything Tory related on one hand, maybe even on one finger. Not exactly Ricki. I wasn't labelling May's critics per se as 'precious Liberals'. You mentioned a 'backlash'. There wasn't one. Only in the eyes of those like yourself who thought speed of social media quantifies political integrity. And you're what? How did you put it? Not aligned to any party or something like that ?? Yeah right
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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 14, 2017 11:36:57 GMT
We have a difference of opinion and that's fine mate, you choose to catergorise those who were criticial of May as 'precious liberals' but I don't agree. It's not really a surprise that we disagree on this topic because I can count the number of times I've seen you criticise anything Tory related on one hand, maybe even on one finger. Not exactly Ricki. I wasn't labelling May's critics per se as 'precious Liberals'. You mentioned a 'backlash'. There wasn't one. Only in the eyes of those like yourself who thought speed of social media quantifies political integrity. And you're what? How did you put it? Not aligned to any party or something like that ?? Yeah right No I was responding to your point on why Trudeau isn't getting bashed by liberals for his opinions you've quoted, but why May did get bashed for her initial response, it's fairly obvious. I'm not claiming that the speed of social media quantifies political intergrity and I don't think many others did either. I believe that May would have been briefed well enough on the ban to be able to give a proper answer when she was questioned by journalists. You don't and neither of us can really be proved right at this point so I'm happy to accept we have a difference of opinion. Now regarding the 'backlash' there were a significant number of people that didn't like May's initial response regarding the Trump ban. Now let's look at what a backlash is 'a strong negative reaction by a large number of people, especially to a social or political development'.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-donald-trump-immigration-ban-muslim-turkey-refugee-refuses-to-condemn-latest-a7551121.html
www.ft.com/content/ae278498-e57b-11e6-893c-082c54a7f539
uk.businessinsider.com/theresa-may-critisied-for-not-condemning-donald-trump-muslim-ban-2017-1?r=US&IR=T
I think it easily qualifies as a backlash when several newspapers, not just angry social justice warriors were running with the story. And yeah to clarify I'm really not aligned to any particular party, I don't like Labour's direction under Corbyn and won't be voting Labour at the next general election if he's still in charge.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 14, 2017 12:21:48 GMT
Not exactly Ricki. I wasn't labelling May's critics per se as 'precious Liberals'. You mentioned a 'backlash'. There wasn't one. Only in the eyes of those like yourself who thought speed of social media quantifies political integrity. And you're what? How did you put it? Not aligned to any party or something like that ?? Yeah right No I was responding to your point on why Trudeau isn't getting bashed by liberals for his opinions you've quoted, but why May did get bashed for her initial response, it's fairly obvious. I'm not claiming that the speed of social media quantifies political intergrity and I don't think many others did either. I believe that May would have been briefed well enough on the ban to be able to give a proper answer when she was questioned by journalists. You don't and neither of us can really be proved right at this point so I'm happy to accept we have a difference of opinion. Now regarding the 'backlash' there were a significant number of people that didn't like May's initial response regarding the Trump ban. Now let's look at what a backlash is 'a strong negative reaction by a large number of people, especially to a social or political development'.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-donald-trump-immigration-ban-muslim-turkey-refugee-refuses-to-condemn-latest-a7551121.html
www.ft.com/content/ae278498-e57b-11e6-893c-082c54a7f539
uk.businessinsider.com/theresa-may-critisied-for-not-condemning-donald-trump-muslim-ban-2017-1?r=US&IR=T
I think it easily qualifies as a backlash when several newspapers, not just angry social justice warriors were running with the story. And yeah to clarify I'm really not aligned to any particular party, I don't like Labour's direction under Corbyn and won't be voting Labour at the next general election if he's still in charge. Incorrect. You highlighted Trudeau's response "here's what Trudeau tweeted right after the ban was announced" You also comment "Trudeau's tweet says effectively the same thing as May's comments except that he came right out and said it" Both indicating the speed of the responses was somehow commendable. The articles you've quoted just repeat your idea. That doesn't make it anymore credible. They mention that May failed to condemn the travel ban. She hasn't. It then condemns her for not showing strong enough condemnation yet Trudeau hasn't directly commented on the Trump administration and has now side stepped the idea that he will. May has condemned Trump's immigration policy. The faux outrage is all centered around the timing. Trump issued the executive order on Friday bearing in mind Turkey is 8 hours ahead of Washington. May was repeatedly asked a question in Ankara by Channel 4 on Saturday afternoon to which she responded "The United States is responsible for the United States' policy on refugees." The press release from No. 10 was on the Saturday night. and added "...we do not agree with this kind of approach and it is not one we will be taking." This really isn't a story Ricki........ but no doubt you'll end on some 'agree to disagree, but I'm right' nonsense. Or how about this from Ed Milliband noted in the Guardian ...... Ed Miliband, the former Labour leader, said May should contact Trump directly to seek an end to the ban. “You’re the prime minister,” he tweeted. “Get on the phone to the president and tell him the ban cannot stand. And do it today.” He tweeted "get on the phone today". Jesus. Naive, student politics writ large for all the social media world to see.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 14, 2017 13:20:26 GMT
Incorrect. You highlighted Trudeau's response "here's what Trudeau tweeted right after the ban was announced" You also comment "Trudeau's tweet says effectively the same thing as May's comments except that he came right out and said it" Both indicating the speed of the responses was somehow commendable. The articles you've quoted just repeat your idea. That doesn't make it anymore credible. They mention that May failed to condemn the travel ban. She hasn't. It then condemns her for not showing strong enough condemnation yet Trudeau hasn't directly commented on the Trump administration and has now side stepped the idea that he will. May has condemned Trump's immigration policy. The faux outrage is all centered around the timing. Trump issued the executive order on Friday bearing in mind Turkey is 8 hours ahead of Washington. May was repeatedly asked a question in Ankara by Channel 4 on Saturday afternoon to which she responded "The United States is responsible for the United States' policy on refugees." The press release from No. 10 was on the Saturday night. and added "...we do not agree with this kind of approach and it is not one we will be taking." This really isn't a story Ricki........ but no doubt you'll end on some 'agree to disagree, but I'm right' nonsense. Or how about this from Ed Milliband noted in the Guardian ...... Ed Miliband, the former Labour leader, said May should contact Trump directly to seek an end to the ban. “You’re the prime minister,” he tweeted. “Get on the phone to the president and tell him the ban cannot stand. And do it today.” He tweeted "get on the phone today". Jesus. Naive, student politics writ large for all the social media world to see. You brought up Trudeau's comments from yesterday, way after the event, and way after his initial response to the ban as some sort of indication that he should receive the same sort of 'vitriolic abuse' from the liberals as May because he holds a similar position to May. The 'end' position isn't the problem that myself and many others had though, and it isn't the reason that May was criticised by most. The criticism was in relation her initial response to the ban where she didn't say she that she disagreed/disapproved. This is pretty clear from the articles I quoted. I also quoted the articles because they back up the backlash that did exist at the time that May failed to initially condemn Trump. Her disapproval "we do not agree with this kind of approach" only came about AFTER there was a backlash in the media and amongst a significant section of the public. Now where we clearly disagree here rog, is that I think that she knew enough to be able to give the "we do not agree with this kind of approach" at the time she was quizzed by the press in Turkey, and you don't. You talk about the time difference between the US and Turkey as a reason May wasn't able to condemn Trump at the time, and, why it was correct for her to wait until much later before voicing her dissaproval but I simply don't buy that argument. The journalists who were quizzing her were also in the same situation as May yet they knew exactly what was going on and were be able to quiz her on it. Are you really suggesting that May, as Prime Minister of the UK and someone who will undoubtedly be kept right up to speed with any significant goings on in the world, didn't know enough about the ban and therefore couldn't condemn it at the time she was questioned by the press?. That she somehow knew less than the journalists questionning her? With regards to you bringing up Ed Milliband and what he said, which is a seperate argument to the one I made above and needs to be treated as such, let me remind you that in the days prior to the White House visit May vowed to "stand up" to Trump on his inflammatory policies and comments. Which is exactly what Milliband was calling for, naive student politics indeed.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 14, 2017 16:08:42 GMT
Incorrect. You highlighted Trudeau's response "here's what Trudeau tweeted right after the ban was announced" You also comment "Trudeau's tweet says effectively the same thing as May's comments except that he came right out and said it" Both indicating the speed of the responses was somehow commendable. The articles you've quoted just repeat your idea. That doesn't make it anymore credible. They mention that May failed to condemn the travel ban. She hasn't. It then condemns her for not showing strong enough condemnation yet Trudeau hasn't directly commented on the Trump administration and has now side stepped the idea that he will. May has condemned Trump's immigration policy. The faux outrage is all centered around the timing. Trump issued the executive order on Friday bearing in mind Turkey is 8 hours ahead of Washington. May was repeatedly asked a question in Ankara by Channel 4 on Saturday afternoon to which she responded "The United States is responsible for the United States' policy on refugees." The press release from No. 10 was on the Saturday night. and added "...we do not agree with this kind of approach and it is not one we will be taking." This really isn't a story Ricki........ but no doubt you'll end on some 'agree to disagree, but I'm right' nonsense. Or how about this from Ed Milliband noted in the Guardian ...... Ed Miliband, the former Labour leader, said May should contact Trump directly to seek an end to the ban. “You’re the prime minister,” he tweeted. “Get on the phone to the president and tell him the ban cannot stand. And do it today.” He tweeted "get on the phone today". Jesus. Naive, student politics writ large for all the social media world to see. You brought up Trudeau's comments from yesterday, way after the event, and way after his initial response to the ban as some sort of indication that he should receive the same sort of 'vitriolic abuse' from the liberals as May because he holds a similar position to May. The 'end' position isn't the problem that myself and many others had though, and it isn't the reason that May was criticised by most. The criticism was in relation her initial response to the ban where she didn't say she that she disagreed/disapproved. This is pretty clear from the articles I quoted. I also quoted the articles because they back up the backlash that did exist at the time that May failed to initially condemn Trump. Her disapproval "we do not agree with this kind of approach" only came about AFTER there was a backlash in the media and amongst a significant section of the public. Now where we clearly disagree here rog, is that I think that she knew enough to be able to give the "we do not agree with this kind of approach" at the time she was quizzed by the press in Turkey, and you don't. You talk about the time difference between the US and Turkey as a reason May wasn't able to condemn Trump at the time, and, why it was correct for her to wait until much later before voicing her dissaproval but I simply don't buy that argument. The journalists who were quizzing her were also in the same situation as May yet they knew exactly what was going on and were be able to quiz her on it. Are you really suggesting that May, as Prime Minister of the UK and someone who will undoubtedly be kept right up to speed with any significant goings on in the world, didn't know enough about the ban and therefore couldn't condemn it at the time she was questioned by the press?. That she somehow knew less than the journalists questionning her? With regards to you bringing up Ed Milliband and what he said, which is a seperate argument to the one I made above and needs to be treated as such, let me remind you that in the days prior to the White House visit May vowed to "stand up" to Trump on his inflammatory policies and comments. Which is exactly what Milliband was calling for, naive student politics indeed. Round and round Ricki..... round and round......
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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 14, 2017 16:25:41 GMT
You brought up Trudeau's comments from yesterday, way after the event, and way after his initial response to the ban as some sort of indication that he should receive the same sort of 'vitriolic abuse' from the liberals as May because he holds a similar position to May. The 'end' position isn't the problem that myself and many others had though, and it isn't the reason that May was criticised by most. The criticism was in relation her initial response to the ban where she didn't say she that she disagreed/disapproved. This is pretty clear from the articles I quoted. I also quoted the articles because they back up the backlash that did exist at the time that May failed to initially condemn Trump. Her disapproval "we do not agree with this kind of approach" only came about AFTER there was a backlash in the media and amongst a significant section of the public. Now where we clearly disagree here rog, is that I think that she knew enough to be able to give the "we do not agree with this kind of approach" at the time she was quizzed by the press in Turkey, and you don't. You talk about the time difference between the US and Turkey as a reason May wasn't able to condemn Trump at the time, and, why it was correct for her to wait until much later before voicing her dissaproval but I simply don't buy that argument. The journalists who were quizzing her were also in the same situation as May yet they knew exactly what was going on and were be able to quiz her on it. Are you really suggesting that May, as Prime Minister of the UK and someone who will undoubtedly be kept right up to speed with any significant goings on in the world, didn't know enough about the ban and therefore couldn't condemn it at the time she was questioned by the press?. That she somehow knew less than the journalists questionning her? With regards to you bringing up Ed Milliband and what he said, which is a seperate argument to the one I made above and needs to be treated as such, let me remind you that in the days prior to the White House visit May vowed to "stand up" to Trump on his inflammatory policies and comments. Which is exactly what Milliband was calling for, naive student politics indeed. Round and round Ricki..... round and round...... Nice way of avoiding having to deal with reason and logic.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 14, 2017 16:39:45 GMT
www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/feb/13/john-oliver-trump-relationship-truth-last-week-tonightThere is a pattern here: Trump sees something that jibes with his worldview, doesn’t check it, half-remembers it and then passes it on, at which point it takes on a life of its own and appears to validate itself.”
He explained the troubling effect of this: “If you get your news from similar sources to him, as many, many, many people do, he doesn’t look like a crank, he looks like the first president to ever tell you the real truth.”
When confronted by the president’s many falsehoods, his press secretary, Sean Spicer, frequently explains that Trump believes it to be true and that’s what matters.Good point, well made.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 14, 2017 16:40:06 GMT
Incorrect. You highlighted Trudeau's response "here's what Trudeau tweeted right after the ban was announced" You also comment "Trudeau's tweet says effectively the same thing as May's comments except that he came right out and said it" Both indicating the speed of the responses was somehow commendable. The articles you've quoted just repeat your idea. That doesn't make it anymore credible. They mention that May failed to condemn the travel ban. She hasn't. It then condemns her for not showing strong enough condemnation yet Trudeau hasn't directly commented on the Trump administration and has now side stepped the idea that he will. May has condemned Trump's immigration policy. The faux outrage is all centered around the timing. Trump issued the executive order on Friday bearing in mind Turkey is 8 hours ahead of Washington. May was repeatedly asked a question in Ankara by Channel 4 on Saturday afternoon to which she responded "The United States is responsible for the United States' policy on refugees." The press release from No. 10 was on the Saturday night. and added "...we do not agree with this kind of approach and it is not one we will be taking." This really isn't a story Ricki........ but no doubt you'll end on some 'agree to disagree, but I'm right' nonsense. Or how about this from Ed Milliband noted in the Guardian ...... Ed Miliband, the former Labour leader, said May should contact Trump directly to seek an end to the ban. “You’re the prime minister,” he tweeted. “Get on the phone to the president and tell him the ban cannot stand. And do it today.” He tweeted "get on the phone today". Jesus. Naive, student politics writ large for all the social media world to see. You brought up Trudeau's comments from yesterday, way after the event, and way after his initial response to the ban as some sort of indication that he should receive the same sort of 'vitriolic abuse' from the liberals as May because he holds a similar position to May. The 'end' position isn't the problem that myself and many others had though, and it isn't the reason that May was criticised by most. The criticism was in relation her initial response to the ban where she didn't say she that she disagreed/disapproved. This is pretty clear from the articles I quoted. I also quoted the articles because they back up the backlash that did exist at the time that May failed to initially condemn Trump. Her disapproval "we do not agree with this kind of approach" only came about AFTER there was a backlash in the media and amongst a significant section of the public. Now where we clearly disagree here rog, is that I think that she knew enough to be able to give the "we do not agree with this kind of approach" at the time she was quizzed by the press in Turkey, and you don't. You talk about the time difference between the US and Turkey as a reason May wasn't able to condemn Trump at the time, and, why it was correct for her to wait until much later before voicing her dissaproval but I simply don't buy that argument. The journalists who were quizzing her were also in the same situation as May yet they knew exactly what was going on and were be able to quiz her on it. Are you really suggesting that May, as Prime Minister of the UK and someone who will undoubtedly be kept right up to speed with any significant goings on in the world, didn't know enough about the ban and therefore couldn't condemn it at the time she was questioned by the press?. That she somehow knew less than the journalists questionning her? With regards to you bringing up Ed Milliband and what he said, which is a seperate argument to the one I made above and needs to be treated as such, let me remind you that in the days prior to the White House visit May vowed to "stand up" to Trump on his inflammatory policies and comments. Which is exactly what Milliband was calling for, naive student politics indeed. Ricki .... Ricki... you're so wrong love. Trudeau's comments were made yesterday. About the event. The timing is his. He's only been forced to make them because he's visiting Trump. Please provide a link were Trudeau actually says the words 'Donald Trump is wrong.' You don't "buy" anything that doesn't suit your views. THERE WASN'T A REAL BACKLASH. It was knee jerk, soundbite reporting. Which the Anyone but May brigade swallowed. The reporters aren't "in the same situation" as the PM. That's naive. She wasn't "quizzed by the press" it was only Krishnan Guru-Murthy asking the same question. Funnily enough Krishnan's colleague Gary Gibbons still hasn't replied to me regarding his source that "Team Trump would have briefed Mrs May about the travel ban". Milliband represents a totally worthless, protesting, social media lead, unrealistic, soundbite, failed, political standpoint. It was included to reference a vacuous and pathetic opposition. No doubt you've 'liked' it already.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 14, 2017 16:54:33 GMT
You brought up Trudeau's comments from yesterday, way after the event, and way after his initial response to the ban as some sort of indication that he should receive the same sort of 'vitriolic abuse' from the liberals as May because he holds a similar position to May. The 'end' position isn't the problem that myself and many others had though, and it isn't the reason that May was criticised by most. The criticism was in relation her initial response to the ban where she didn't say she that she disagreed/disapproved. This is pretty clear from the articles I quoted. I also quoted the articles because they back up the backlash that did exist at the time that May failed to initially condemn Trump. Her disapproval "we do not agree with this kind of approach" only came about AFTER there was a backlash in the media and amongst a significant section of the public. Now where we clearly disagree here rog, is that I think that she knew enough to be able to give the "we do not agree with this kind of approach" at the time she was quizzed by the press in Turkey, and you don't. You talk about the time difference between the US and Turkey as a reason May wasn't able to condemn Trump at the time, and, why it was correct for her to wait until much later before voicing her dissaproval but I simply don't buy that argument. The journalists who were quizzing her were also in the same situation as May yet they knew exactly what was going on and were be able to quiz her on it. Are you really suggesting that May, as Prime Minister of the UK and someone who will undoubtedly be kept right up to speed with any significant goings on in the world, didn't know enough about the ban and therefore couldn't condemn it at the time she was questioned by the press?. That she somehow knew less than the journalists questionning her? With regards to you bringing up Ed Milliband and what he said, which is a seperate argument to the one I made above and needs to be treated as such, let me remind you that in the days prior to the White House visit May vowed to "stand up" to Trump on his inflammatory policies and comments. Which is exactly what Milliband was calling for, naive student politics indeed. Ricki .... Ricki... you're so wrong love. Trudeau's comments were made yesterday. About the event. The timing is his. He's only been forced to make them because he's visiting Trump. Please provide a link were Trudeau actually says the words 'Donald Trump is wrong.' You don't "buy" anything that doesn't suit your views. THERE WASN'T A REAL BACKLASH. It was knee jerk, soundbite reporting. Which the Anyone but May brigade swallowed. The reporters aren't "in the same situation" as the PM. That's naive. She wasn't "quizzed by the press" it was only Krishnan Guru-Murthy asking the same question. Funnily enough Krishnan's colleague Gary Gibbons still hasn't replied to me regarding his source that "Team Trump would have briefed Mrs May about the travel ban". Milliband represents a totally worthless, protesting, social media lead, unrealistic, soundbite, failed, political standpoint. It was included to reference a vacuous and pathetic opposition. No doubt you've 'liked' it already. So there was no backlash and it was just the media making stuff up then There was a backlash, plenty of people were not happy that May initially refused to condemn the ban, that's why there are several news reports and news articles at the time saying May was under pressure. That's why you brought up Trudeau's comments from yesterday in the first place. Trudeau's comments and the point you made earlier have absolutely nothing to do with why some people were not happy that May initially didn't say that she disagreed with the ban. And no it wasn't just the 'Anyone but May' brigade either. Just because you seem to deem those views that disagree with your own as 'not worthy' it doesn't mean there wasn't a backlash. Are you really still continuing to suggest that May, as Prime Minister of the UK knew less about the ban situation than the journalists asking her questions did? So she was asked the question by a journalist Guru-Murthy 3 times, that is being quizzed by the press however you decide to dress it up. What bizarre logic you have.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 14, 2017 17:42:39 GMT
Ricki .... Ricki... you're so wrong love. Trudeau's comments were made yesterday. About the event. The timing is his. He's only been forced to make them because he's visiting Trump. Please provide a link were Trudeau actually says the words 'Donald Trump is wrong.' You don't "buy" anything that doesn't suit your views. THERE WASN'T A REAL BACKLASH. It was knee jerk, soundbite reporting. Which the Anyone but May brigade swallowed. The reporters aren't "in the same situation" as the PM. That's naive. She wasn't "quizzed by the press" it was only Krishnan Guru-Murthy asking the same question. Funnily enough Krishnan's colleague Gary Gibbons still hasn't replied to me regarding his source that "Team Trump would have briefed Mrs May about the travel ban". Milliband represents a totally worthless, protesting, social media lead, unrealistic, soundbite, failed, political standpoint. It was included to reference a vacuous and pathetic opposition. No doubt you've 'liked' it already. So there was no backlash and it was just the media making stuff up then There was a backlash, plenty of people were not happy that May initially refused to condemn the ban, that's why there are several news reports and news articles at the time saying May was under pressure. That's why you brought up Trudeau's comments from yesterday in the first place. Just because you seem to deem those views that disagree with your own as 'not worthy' it doesn't mean there wasn't a backlash. So she was asked the question by a journalist Guru-Murthy 3 times, that is being quizzed by the press however you decide to dress it up. What bizarre logic you have. There's dressing up and there's dressing up Ricki. Guru-Murthy asking the same question 3 times ain't being "quizzed by the media". Full stop. You talk about logic but you have none. The 'backlash' was started by the media, reported by the media, repeated by politicians and then believed and repeated and argued for by you and yours. Question. Did you actually write to your own MP as part of the 'blacklash' ?? Thought not. I didn't write to mine either. I bet very, very few did. How do you equate these statistics with a backlash?
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Post by manmarking on Feb 14, 2017 18:08:10 GMT
You brought up Trudeau's comments from yesterday, way after the event, and way after his initial response to the ban as some sort of indication that he should receive the same sort of 'vitriolic abuse' from the liberals as May because he holds a similar position to May. The 'end' position isn't the problem that myself and many others had though, and it isn't the reason that May was criticised by most. The criticism was in relation her initial response to the ban where she didn't say she that she disagreed/disapproved. This is pretty clear from the articles I quoted. I also quoted the articles because they back up the backlash that did exist at the time that May failed to initially condemn Trump. Her disapproval "we do not agree with this kind of approach" only came about AFTER there was a backlash in the media and amongst a significant section of the public. Now where we clearly disagree here rog, is that I think that she knew enough to be able to give the "we do not agree with this kind of approach" at the time she was quizzed by the press in Turkey, and you don't. You talk about the time difference between the US and Turkey as a reason May wasn't able to condemn Trump at the time, and, why it was correct for her to wait until much later before voicing her dissaproval but I simply don't buy that argument. The journalists who were quizzing her were also in the same situation as May yet they knew exactly what was going on and were be able to quiz her on it. Are you really suggesting that May, as Prime Minister of the UK and someone who will undoubtedly be kept right up to speed with any significant goings on in the world, didn't know enough about the ban and therefore couldn't condemn it at the time she was questioned by the press?. That she somehow knew less than the journalists questionning her? With regards to you bringing up Ed Milliband and what he said, which is a seperate argument to the one I made above and needs to be treated as such, let me remind you that in the days prior to the White House visit May vowed to "stand up" to Trump on his inflammatory policies and comments. Which is exactly what Milliband was calling for, naive student politics indeed. Funnily enough Krishnan's colleague Gary Gibbons still hasn't replied to me regarding his source that "Team Trump would have briefed Mrs May about the travel ban". I couldn't possibly answer on Gary Gibbons' behalf, Todger, but maybe - just maybe - he's too busy reporting on stuff to answer individual saddos like you who spend their entire lives arguing online with people they've never met in real life As in, maybe he has actual work to do. Radical I realise but as a committed Tory I'm sure you understand and respect the value of hard work Props for winning the "Alan Partridge Statement of the Week Award" though
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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 14, 2017 18:14:57 GMT
So there was no backlash and it was just the media making stuff up then There was a backlash, plenty of people were not happy that May initially refused to condemn the ban, that's why there are several news reports and news articles at the time saying May was under pressure. That's why you brought up Trudeau's comments from yesterday in the first place. Just because you seem to deem those views that disagree with your own as 'not worthy' it doesn't mean there wasn't a backlash. So she was asked the question by a journalist Guru-Murthy 3 times, that is being quizzed by the press however you decide to dress it up. What bizarre logic you have. There's dressing up and there's dressing up Ricki. Guru-Murthy asking the same question 3 times ain't being "quizzed by the media". Full stop. You talk about logic but you have none. The 'backlash' was started by the media, reported by the media, repeated by politicians and then believed and repeated and argued for by you and yours. Question. Did you actually write to your own MP as part of the 'blacklash' ?? Thought not. I didn't write to mine either. I bet very, very few did. How do you equate these statistics with a backlash? You've got an uncanny ability to post unrelated things in order to back your straw man arguments you've constructed. Your argument, as evidenced by your Trudeau point, seems to be that liberals should be unhappy with Trudeau because he 'won't lecture Trump over refugee ban'. You feel that May was vilified for saying pretty much the same thing, whilst adding that she disapproves and that the UK wouldn't take such actions. Has the argument that May and Trudeau should 'lecture' Trump appeared in the mainstream media, other than quoting opposition politicians like Milliband, Corbyn and Farrow? I can't really recall too much of a fuss being made, but there was plenty of coverage concerning May's initial 'reluctance' to condemn the ban. It's not really a surprise that other journalists didn't quiz her when the question was already asked 3 times anyway. Plenty of journalists in attendance felt May's response was unsatisfactory though as can be evidenced from their tweets at the time and the subsequent news articles etc released. I quoted 3 articles earlier but there are many more. By the way I didn't realise that the likes of the Financial Times who ran the story, which I linked, are part of the liberal 'Anyone but May' club, when did that happen? Back to my original point concerning your uncanny ability to post unrelated things, a graph showing that some people from the UK agree with the idea of Trumps ban and that some don't doesn't prove there wasn't a backlash. It wasn't a universal, widespread backlash but there were enough people making noises that were disapproving of the initial stance that May took, which is why it was widely reported at the time.
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