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Post by nicholasjalcock on Nov 19, 2016 8:59:54 GMT
You're deliberately confusing a forecast as a fact. Everyone knows forecasts are only forecasts and nothing more! The fact is that Trump gave interviews, made speeches, was on t.v. etc. It was in a live debate with his Republican rivals for the nomination he said he wouldn't settle the Trump University con case because he would win the court case. People have live footage of him saying it! They have witnesses who saw him and heard him say that? What's you defence of that? Oh, they were actors from Hollywood..it's all been made up? I don't need a defence for anything 'cos I couldn't really give a shit about it. You're confussing me with someone who is a Trump supporter, I'm not one, I don't think Donald Trump is perfect, I've never tried to claim he isn't without plenty of faults, but when it came to a choice between him & Hillary he'd get my vote 100 times out of 100. That doesn't say Trump is an amazing candidate, it just says Hillary was an absolutely terrible one. Trump may have said some dodgy things, he may have hurt some peoples feelings, he may even back-track on some things, but they all pale into insignificance when compared to Hillary's actual actions, which lead to the deaths of thousands of people, created an International migrant crisis, and had she won the election would have lead to hundreds of thousands more deaths. People are dying on the Ukraine/Russia border, in Aleppo, in Mosul, crossing from Libya to Italy, from Turkey to Greek islands and all over the world. You just have to accept that not everyone can live in this paradise world, the land of milk and honey called S-o-T where no-one gets stabbed, no-one gets murdered, no-one commits violent robbery, no-one commits rape, no-one commits domestic abuse, no-one does anything wrong?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 19, 2016 9:14:08 GMT
People are dying on the Ukraine/Russia border, in Aleppo, in Mosul, crossing from Libya to Italy, from Turkey to Greek islands and all over the world. You just have to accept that not everyone can live in this paradise world, the land of milk and honey called S-o-T where no-one gets stabbed, no-one gets murdered, no-one commits violent robbery, no-one commits rape, no-one commits domestic abuse, no-one does anything wrong? Ironic that you list a bunch of events caused by either/all of the US, the EU, Hillary & her multi-million dollar backers Saudi Arabia. Trump thankfully wants to forge closer ties with Russia which can lead to a solution in Ukraine, will see the US help Assad to defeat ISIS, and take a huge step to solving the 'refugee' crisis' in the Mediterranean.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Nov 19, 2016 9:33:23 GMT
People are dying on the Ukraine/Russia border, in Aleppo, in Mosul, crossing from Libya to Italy, from Turkey to Greek islands and all over the world. You just have to accept that not everyone can live in this paradise world, the land of milk and honey called S-o-T where no-one gets stabbed, no-one gets murdered, no-one commits violent robbery, no-one commits rape, no-one commits domestic abuse, no-one does anything wrong? Ironic that you list a bunch of events caused by either/all of the US, the EU, Hillary & her multi-million dollar backers Saudi Arabia. Trump thankfully wants to forge closer ties with Russia which can lead to a solution in Ukraine, will see the US help Assad to defeat ISIS, and take a huge step to solving the 'refugee' crisis' in the Mediterranean. The Russians aren't attacking ISIS but they are attacking the Free Syrian Army. Putin is protecting Assad to defend Russia's sphere of influence in the Middle East. I remember the time when Syria and Egypt were part of Russia's 'alliance' system with armed forces totally equipped by the Soviet Union. To see Putin as anything other than a semi dictator whose acolytes routinely murder his opposition is as naive as it is false! Trump has tried to establish business ties in Russia. Trump made illegal, criminal approaches to Communist Cuba to further his business empire. So, it should come as no surprise, that Putin sees Trump as a soft touch. There aren't many Western leaders who don't see Trump as anything other than a loose cannon and a very loose cannon at that?
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Post by Mendicant on Nov 19, 2016 9:45:12 GMT
People are dying on the Ukraine/Russia border, in Aleppo, in Mosul, crossing from Libya to Italy, from Turkey to Greek islands and all over the world. You just have to accept that not everyone can live in this paradise world, the land of milk and honey called S-o-T where no-one gets stabbed, no-one gets murdered, no-one commits violent robbery, no-one commits rape, no-one commits domestic abuse, no-one does anything wrong? Ironic that you list a bunch of events caused by either/all of the US, the EU, Hillary & her multi-million dollar backers Saudi Arabia. Trump thankfully wants to forge closer ties with Russia which can lead to a solution in Ukraine, will see the US help Assad to defeat ISIS, and take a huge step to solving the 'refugee' crisis' in the Mediterranean. Amen! One finger click per sentence of that.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Nov 19, 2016 9:52:37 GMT
Ironic that you list a bunch of events caused by either/all of the US, the EU, Hillary & her multi-million dollar backers Saudi Arabia. Trump thankfully wants to forge closer ties with Russia which can lead to a solution in Ukraine, will see the US help Assad to defeat ISIS, and take a huge step to solving the 'refugee' crisis' in the Mediterranean. Amen! One finger click per sentence of that. Same number of clicks as on your dick then! Amen! Hallelujah!
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Post by Mendicant on Nov 19, 2016 9:57:31 GMT
Amen! One finger click per sentence of that. Same number of clicks as on your dick then! Amen! Hallelujah! That's the first post from you in this thread that doesn't contain propaganda and bollocks from the mainstream media. So you're making progress, keep up the good work!
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Nov 19, 2016 12:53:40 GMT
Same number of clicks as on your dick then! Amen! Hallelujah! That's the first post from you in this thread that doesn't contain propaganda and bollocks from the mainstream media. So you're making progress, keep up the good work! Wrong again! Your reputations are known globally and I got the information from the B.B.C., A.B.C.,M.S.N.B.C, and other MSM sources! You see, it's all part of the global elite conspiracy to literally expose you pair of w***ers and best of all while you're actually on the job too! MSM link and video to follow shortly!
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Post by capto on Nov 19, 2016 13:22:35 GMT
People are dying on the Ukraine/Russia border, in Aleppo, in Mosul, crossing from Libya to Italy, from Turkey to Greek islands and all over the world. You just have to accept that not everyone can live in this paradise world, the land of milk and honey called S-o-T where no-one gets stabbed, no-one gets murdered, no-one commits violent robbery, no-one commits rape, no-one commits domestic abuse, no-one does anything wrong? Ironic that you list a bunch of events caused by either/all of the US, the EU, Hillary & her multi-million dollar backers Saudi Arabia. Trump thankfully wants to forge closer ties with Russia which can lead to a solution in Ukraine, will see the US help Assad to defeat ISIS, and take a huge step to solving the 'refugee' crisis' in the Mediterranean. You never heard of appeasement? That solved problems for millions of people. If you think putin and trump are doing anything for the good of mankind you need to study politics history and just about everything
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 9:38:32 GMT
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 20, 2016 9:46:15 GMT
Well that's just shocking. Who the hell does he think he is expecting that people should be able to go to the theatre without being harrassed by retarded Liberals.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 10:21:12 GMT
Well that's just shocking. Who the hell do they think they are expecting that people should be able to go to their place of work/study without being harrassed by retarded provocateurs.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 20, 2016 10:33:58 GMT
A rather lame comeback. Who's 'they' & who is harrassing them?
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Post by manmarking on Nov 20, 2016 16:10:21 GMT
Ironic that you list a bunch of events caused by either/all of the US, the EU, Hillary & her multi-million dollar backers Saudi Arabia. Trump thankfully wants to forge closer ties with Russia which can lead to a solution in Ukraine, will see the US help Assad to defeat ISIS, and take a huge step to solving the 'refugee' crisis' in the Mediterranean. You never heard of appeasement? That solved problems for millions of people. If you think putin and trump are doing anything for the good of mankind you need to study politics history and just about everything Precisely. The problem with many on here is that they only deal in absolutes. Hillary Clinton is awful, ergo Donald Trump must be preferable. The sad fact is that the world would have benefited hugely from both candidates being sent on one-way trips to Dignitas. It is entirely possible for both candidates to be equally awful overall but to be awful in different ways. And anyone who honestly thinks that Donald Trump will do anything to curb the excesses of the economic system that put him where he is today is either thick or mad I'm afraid
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 20, 2016 17:38:32 GMT
Precisely. The problem with many on here is that they only deal in absolutes. Hillary Clinton is awful, ergo Donald Trump must be preferable. The sad fact is that the world would have benefited hugely from both candidates being sent on one-way trips to Dignitas. It is entirely possible for both candidates to be equally awful overall but to be awful in different ways. And anyone who honestly thinks that Donald Trump will do anything to curb the excesses of the economic system that put him where he is today is either thick or mad I'm afraid It's dangerous to even hint that Trump and Clinton are anywhere near equally as bad as each other. Clinton never shouted for violence at her rallies, suggested that a judge of the wrong colour shouldn't be allowed to judge her, threatened to gag the media or suggested that she would ignore the results of a democratic election. Peaceful protest, the media, judges and elections are the key defences against tyranny. Trump has threatened them all. Clinton didn't. It makes sense that some believe that they're similarly bad, most of the popular fake (as in completely made up) news stories were pro-Trump or anti-Clinton. If you honestly believe these made up things then it makes sense.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 20, 2016 18:02:33 GMT
Precisely. The problem with many on here is that they only deal in absolutes. Hillary Clinton is awful, ergo Donald Trump must be preferable. The sad fact is that the world would have benefited hugely from both candidates being sent on one-way trips to Dignitas. It is entirely possible for both candidates to be equally awful overall but to be awful in different ways. And anyone who honestly thinks that Donald Trump will do anything to curb the excesses of the economic system that put him where he is today is either thick or mad I'm afraid It's dangerous to even hint that Trump and Clinton are anywhere near equally as bad as each other. Clinton never shouted for violence at her rallies, suggested that a judge of the wrong colour shouldn't be allowed to judge her, threatened to gag the media or suggested that she would ignore the results of a democratic election. Peaceful protest, the media, judges and elections are the key defences against tyranny. Trump has threatened them all. Clinton didn't. It makes sense that some believe that they're similarly bad, most of the popular fake (as in completely made up) news stories were pro-Trump or anti-Clinton. If you honestly believe these made up things then it makes sense. Yeah ignoring security pleas that led to the death of 4 Americans, risking the lives of millions of Americans by using a private email for her classified work and being in the pocket of anyone who will donate for her foundation is all made up
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Post by Mendicant on Nov 20, 2016 18:07:58 GMT
Precisely. The problem with many on here is that they only deal in absolutes. Hillary Clinton is awful, ergo Donald Trump must be preferable. The sad fact is that the world would have benefited hugely from both candidates being sent on one-way trips to Dignitas. It is entirely possible for both candidates to be equally awful overall but to be awful in different ways. And anyone who honestly thinks that Donald Trump will do anything to curb the excesses of the economic system that put him where he is today is either thick or mad I'm afraid It's dangerous to even hint that Trump and Clinton are anywhere near equally as bad as each other. Clinton never shouted for violence at her rallies, suggested that a judge of the wrong colour shouldn't be allowed to judge her, threatened to gag the media or suggested that she would ignore the results of a democratic election. Peaceful protest, the media, judges and elections are the key defences against tyranny. Trump has threatened them all. Clinton didn't. It makes sense that some believe that they're similarly bad, most of the popular fake (as in completely made up) news stories were pro-Trump or anti-Clinton. If you honestly believe these made up things then it makes sense. She is far more dangerous than Daddy in terms of policy, temperament and loyalties. We will all be safer after January.
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Post by themistocles on Nov 20, 2016 18:12:24 GMT
It's dangerous to even hint that Trump and Clinton are anywhere near equally as bad as each other. Clinton never shouted for violence at her rallies, suggested that a judge of the wrong colour shouldn't be allowed to judge her, threatened to gag the media or suggested that she would ignore the results of a democratic election. Peaceful protest, the media, judges and elections are the key defences against tyranny. Trump has threatened them all. Clinton didn't. It makes sense that some believe that they're similarly bad, most of the popular fake (as in completely made up) news stories were pro-Trump or anti-Clinton. If you honestly believe these made up things then it makes sense. Yeah ignoring security pleas that led to the death of 4 Americans, risking the lives of millions of Americans by using a private email for her classified work and being in the pocket of anyone who will donate for her foundation is all made up Falls on deaf ears with students mate.. They won't hear any of that. They just frenzy around buzz words like " racism, islam, immigration, sexism, safe places"...
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Post by capto on Nov 20, 2016 18:18:32 GMT
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Post by manmarking on Nov 20, 2016 18:19:16 GMT
Precisely. The problem with many on here is that they only deal in absolutes. Hillary Clinton is awful, ergo Donald Trump must be preferable. The sad fact is that the world would have benefited hugely from both candidates being sent on one-way trips to Dignitas. It is entirely possible for both candidates to be equally awful overall but to be awful in different ways. And anyone who honestly thinks that Donald Trump will do anything to curb the excesses of the economic system that put him where he is today is either thick or mad I'm afraid It's dangerous to even hint that Trump and Clinton are anywhere near equally as bad as each other. Clinton never shouted for violence at her rallies, suggested that a judge of the wrong colour shouldn't be allowed to judge her, threatened to gag the media or suggested that she would ignore the results of a democratic election. Peaceful protest, the media, judges and elections are the key defences against tyranny. Trump has threatened them all. Clinton didn't. It makes sense that some believe that they're similarly bad, most of the popular fake (as in completely made up) news stories were pro-Trump or anti-Clinton. If you honestly believe these made up things then it makes sense. It might be dangerous mate but it's true. Two entire countries in the middle east have ceased to exist in any meaningful sense as a direct consequence of her actions at the State Department. I get that Trump is unquestionably more noxious domestically but Clinton is a horrendous warmonger and the needs, rights, hopes and fears of the rest of the world need to be taken into consideration too
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Post by manmarking on Nov 20, 2016 18:21:11 GMT
Yeah ignoring security pleas that led to the death of 4 Americans, risking the lives of millions of Americans by using a private email for her classified work and being in the pocket of anyone who will donate for her foundation is all made up Falls on deaf ears with students mate.. They won't hear any of that. They just frenzy around buzz words like " racism, islam, immigration, sexism, safe places"... With all due respect Harry, you should only really comment on stuff you understand. And studying stuff clearly isn't in your sphere of understanding
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 20, 2016 18:21:41 GMT
Yeah ignoring security pleas that led to the death of 4 Americans, risking the lives of millions of Americans by using a private email for her classified work and being in the pocket of anyone who will donate for her foundation is all made up After the longest congressional investigation in history, that took far more time than even 9/11's investigation and was run entirely by the Republicans to attack Clinton, they found what look like mistakes by the entire state department. Clinton handled her emails like previous secretaries of state like Rumsfeld, who suggested it to her. Almost all of the classified material that was found on there was classified after it went through her server. It was standard practice at the time, but Clinton screwed up and (eventually) apologised like a grown up. Bad, bad mistakes but hardly actively evil. And never, at any point, has Hillary Clinton threatened to ignore a democratic vote, encouraged violence in her speeches or threatened the independence of the press and judges. Trump's attacks on the guardians of freedom are, in shitness, beyond anything Clinton has done. (unless the made up stories of her fitting a silencer and stalking DC to shoot witnesses turn out to be true) And the attacks on the Clinton foundation help to show just how corrupt the Trump government is going to be. The foundation was attacked all the time, but usually it was overblown, like the Russia uranium thing. The Clinton foundation scores super high for transparency and amount spent on charity work like helping African farmers. The Trump foundation is secretive and almost all its filthy secrets are hidden, so Trump hasn't had to face many scandals. But people still managed to work out he uses the foundation's money to pay off legal fees for defending his companies and buying massive pictures of himself to stick in expensive hotels. Some charity. This is going to be government of the Trumps, by the Trumps, for the Trumps.
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 20, 2016 18:23:24 GMT
Two entire countries in the middle east have ceased to exist in any meaningful sense as a direct consequence of her actions at the State Department. I get that Trump is unquestionably more noxious domestically but Clinton is a horrendous warmonger and the needs, rights, hopes and fears of the rest of the world need to be taken into consideration too What should America have done differently and what do you think the outcome would have been? Do you agree that invading the countries and taking their oil, as Trump suggests, would work?
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Post by manmarking on Nov 20, 2016 18:48:04 GMT
Two entire countries in the middle east have ceased to exist in any meaningful sense as a direct consequence of her actions at the State Department. I get that Trump is unquestionably more noxious domestically but Clinton is a horrendous warmonger and the needs, rights, hopes and fears of the rest of the world need to be taken into consideration too What should America have done differently and what do you think the outcome would have been? Do you agree that invading the countries and taking their oil, as Trump suggests, would work? America (and Britain and others to be fair) only ever offers countries like Libya and Syria a binary option. Either we bomb the living shit out of everything and leave behind civil wars, failed states and countless dead, or we do nothing. We should never have removed Colonel Gaddafi in the way we did. We were warned against it by countless experts but our arms industry (which practically owns Hillary Clinton) demanded otherwise. Gaddafi's arms stash has found its way to militant psychopaths across the wider region from Boko Haram to IS. We should have found ways to facilitate a far more stable, peaceful transfer of power over a longer period. Re: Syria, we should've considered not funding IS and continuing to back them for as long as we did. Again, we should've tried to facilitate a less destructive transfer of power. Perhaps if, instead of constantly goading Russia, we'd worked with them from the start, this might have been possible. And no I don't agree that invading countries and taking their oil would work. It's what Barack and Hillary did in Libya, incidentally - like I say, no better than Trump.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 20, 2016 18:59:08 GMT
Yeah ignoring security pleas that led to the death of 4 Americans, risking the lives of millions of Americans by using a private email for her classified work and being in the pocket of anyone who will donate for her foundation is all made up Falls on deaf ears with students mate.. They won't hear any of that. They just frenzy around buzz words like " racism, islam, immigration, sexism, safe places"... You mean offendism
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Post by Mendicant on Nov 20, 2016 20:32:17 GMT
Yeah ignoring security pleas that led to the death of 4 Americans, risking the lives of millions of Americans by using a private email for her classified work and being in the pocket of anyone who will donate for her foundation is all made up After the longest congressional investigation in history, that took far more time than even 9/11's investigation and was run entirely by the Republicans to attack Clinton, they found what look like mistakes by the entire state department. Clinton handled her emails like previous secretaries of state like Rumsfeld, who suggested it to her. Almost all of the classified material that was found on there was classified after it went through her server. It was standard practice at the time, but Clinton screwed up and (eventually) apologised like a grown up. Bad, bad mistakes but hardly actively evil. And never, at any point, has Hillary Clinton threatened to ignore a democratic vote, encouraged violence in her speeches or threatened the independence of the press and judges. Trump's attacks on the guardians of freedom are, in shitness, beyond anything Clinton has done. (unless the made up stories of her fitting a silencer and stalking DC to shoot witnesses turn out to be true) And the attacks on the Clinton foundation help to show just how corrupt the Trump government is going to be. The foundation was attacked all the time, but usually it was overblown, like the Russia uranium thing. The Clinton foundation scores super high for transparency and amount spent on charity work like helping African farmers. The Trump foundation is secretive and almost all its filthy secrets are hidden, so Trump hasn't had to face many scandals. But people still managed to work out he uses the foundation's money to pay off legal fees for defending his companies and buying massive pictures of himself to stick in expensive hotels. Some charity. This is going to be government of the Trumps, by the Trumps, for the Trumps. The confidentiality argument was a smokescreen to avoid direct and public accusations of corruption at the Secretary of State. The real problem was the content that her and Huma wanted to keep secret from the rest of the State Department and the White House. If I wanted to do a deal with customers behind my boss's back, I wouldn't do it on the company email system.
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Post by themistocles on Nov 20, 2016 22:06:30 GMT
Falls on deaf ears with students mate.. They won't hear any of that. They just frenzy around buzz words like " racism, islam, immigration, sexism, safe places"... With all due respect Harry, you should only really comment on stuff you understand. And studying stuff clearly isn't in your sphere of understanding [b Right back at you **************...
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Post by manmarking on Nov 20, 2016 22:30:07 GMT
With all due respect Harry, you should only really comment on stuff you understand. And studying stuff clearly isn't in your sphere of understanding [b Right back at you **************... You know fuck all about students because you've clearly never been one Harry. If you were talking about blackshirts, the BNP or the like then fair enough - I've no doubt they're things you've an intimate knowledge of
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Post by themistocles on Nov 20, 2016 22:36:38 GMT
[b Right back at you **************... You know fuck all about students because you've clearly never been one Harry. If you were talking about blackshirts, the BNP or the like then fair enough - I've no doubt they're things you've an intimate knowledge of I was a university student for 6 years ... do keep stating your pretences I always have a good chuckle about them .
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Post by manmarking on Nov 20, 2016 22:51:03 GMT
You know fuck all about students because you've clearly never been one Harry. If you were talking about blackshirts, the BNP or the like then fair enough - I've no doubt they're things you've an intimate knowledge of I was a university student for 6 years ... do keep stating your pretences I always have a good chuckle about them . Either you're lying or you're insulting yourself
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 21, 2016 0:00:11 GMT
America (and Britain and others to be fair) only ever offers countries like Libya and Syria a binary option. Either we bomb the living shit out of everything and leave behind civil wars, failed states and countless dead, or we do nothing. We should never have removed Colonel Gaddafi in the way we did. We were warned against it by countless experts but our arms industry (which practically owns Hillary Clinton) demanded otherwise. Gaddafi's arms stash has found its way to militant psychopaths across the wider region from Boko Haram to IS. We should have found ways to facilitate a far more stable, peaceful transfer of power over a longer period. Re: Syria, we should've considered not funding IS and continuing to back them for as long as we did. Again, we should've tried to facilitate a less destructive transfer of power. Perhaps if, instead of constantly goading Russia, we'd worked with them from the start, this might have been possible. And no I don't agree that invading countries and taking their oil would work. It's what Barack and Hillary did in Libya, incidentally - like I say, no better than Trump. I like your thoughts. I doubt it would work - why would Gaddafi negotiate and give more freedoms if we'd let him break into Misrata and slaughter the moderates? Maybe Gaddafi staying in power would have been better but lots would argue that. I dunno what'd be better, but don't you think that your choice would probably mean Gaddafi in power and a lot of dead and imprisoned moderates in Libya too? With Clinton v Trump I doubt Trump'll be better. His buddies love bombing stuff, especially if it kills brown people. This is the party that invaded Iraq and invaded Afghanistan and loves it when he talks about murdering innocent families and torturing prisoners and invading countries and taking their oil. Given his campaign was backed by Russian hackers, I'd be pretty worried if I was an Estonian or Finn. Basically, as a fan of democracy and freedoms I'm worried about Trump, if I was an enemy of Western democracy like Putin, then I'd be thrilled.
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