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Post by silverdollar on Aug 22, 2016 8:16:41 GMT
I would like to see Allen, Imbula and Cameron in our midfield. Using Cameron as the first man defending set pieces would see us defending the likes of Man City's second goal much better. Cameron can certainly get around the pitch much better than Whelan. Whelan played well last year but is not getting any younger.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Aug 22, 2016 8:19:51 GMT
Bayern's just fallen off his chair.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 8:25:25 GMT
Bayern's just fallen off his chair. Hopefully it was on the edge of a cliff at the time....... |
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Aug 22, 2016 8:26:52 GMT
Nothing wrong in principle with this. Though Cameron likes to get about, I've seen him perform a disciplined holding role for the States and he was effective in it. However, it begs the question of where Bojan then fits in? We've spent 30m on 2 centre mids in the last 6 months. That would surely dictate that Allan and Imbula should be the midfield pair starting with Bojan in front of them. It remains to be seen if this is a solid enough base though and indeed if Hughes is confident enough to go with this....
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Post by stokemark on Aug 22, 2016 8:27:45 GMT
Deckchairs and titanic spring to mind
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Aug 22, 2016 8:34:08 GMT
Bojan is the sacrifice. He becomes our super sub.
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Aug 22, 2016 9:01:50 GMT
Bojan is the sacrifice. He becomes our super sub. We've been at our best under Hughes when Bojan has run things for us. I aren't prepared to give up on him just yet. And besides, Imbula was woeful on Saturday when played as the most advanced midfielder. I think we've got to give the Allen, Imbula, Bojan trio a try and see how it goes. That's where Hughes has put his money and we need to try and make it work. At present, I just feel he's reluctant to drop Whelan though which really confuses things. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 22, 2016 9:04:01 GMT
Totally agree and Adam , both give a physicality and
Power in their own way that the artisans don't and which was dreadfully missing at the weekend and a far superior attitude
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 22, 2016 9:09:36 GMT
I've no problem in giving Cameron a chance in the Whelan role. It would give us more height defensively in the Penalty area defending corners and free kicks - and one of the best games I've seen Cameron play was as defensive midfielder for the USA (against Belgium?) in the last World Cup. Bayern would never approve it though - so the idea is a non runner, sadly.  Incidentally, some of Phil Jones' best games for Man Utd have been in defensive midfield.  |
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Post by alster on Aug 22, 2016 9:32:51 GMT
Bojan is the sacrifice. He becomes our super sub. We've been at our best under Hughes when Bojan has run things for us. I aren't prepared to give up on him just yet. And besides, Imbula was woeful on Saturday when played as the most advanced midfielder. I think we've got to give the Allen, Imbula, Bojan trio a try and see how it goes. That's where Hughes has put his money and we need to try and make it work. At present, I just feel he's reluctant to drop Whelan though which really confuses things. It confuses me that he's reluctant to drop Whelan IMO he's never offered anything more than protection and he's not even doing that well at the moment. |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Aug 22, 2016 9:33:21 GMT
I've no problem in giving Cameron a chance in the Whelan role. It would give us more height defensively in the Penalty area defending corners and free kicks - and one of the best games I've seen Cameron play was as defensive midfielder for the USA (against Belgium?) in the last World Cup. Bayern would never approve it though - so the idea is a non runner, sadly. Incidentally, some of Phil Jones' best games for Man Utd have been in defensive midfield. I've no idea where Jones sees his best position, but if it's in central defence that's where he should play. I'm guessing that sort of discussion will have already taken place though between manager and player |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 22, 2016 9:47:06 GMT
I've no problem in giving Cameron a chance in the Whelan role. It would give us more height defensively in the Penalty area defending corners and free kicks - and one of the best games I've seen Cameron play was as defensive midfielder for the USA (against Belgium?) in the last World Cup. Bayern would never approve it though - so the idea is a non runner, sadly. Incidentally, some of Phil Jones' best games for Man Utd have been in defensive midfield. I've no idea where Jones sees his best position, but if it's in central defence that's where he should play. I'm guessing that sort of discussion will have already taken place though between manager and player I think there has always been discussion at Man Utd as to whether he was best at DM or CB or even RB. Charlton, because of his power and strength (when fit, obviously) has compared him to the late great Duncan Edwards. As someone who can actually remember seeing Duncan Edwards play (alongside Charlton) there is no higher praise. For our younger posters who may not know their history, Duncan Edwards was, arguably, the best of the young Man Utd players who lost their lives in the Munich air crash and was a real beast of a left half back who was a natural leader with 18 England caps to his name by the time he died at the age of 21. A great loss to the game. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 22, 2016 9:58:35 GMT
I'd like to see Cameron play...
...at right back or centre back for our opponents every week, so that we get lots of goals.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 22, 2016 10:00:34 GMT
He showed last season that he hasn't got the discipline for it.
He's another who's more suited to playing with Whelan and not instead of.
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Post by stantheman on Aug 22, 2016 10:02:32 GMT
In the team.......photo, and even then I'd rather he wasn't.
A walking penalty who makes headless chickens look more comfortable on the ball.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 22, 2016 10:15:56 GMT
Such is the schizophrenic nature of Oatcake that one minute we are talking about Cameron and the next Duncan Edwards!
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Post by riponstokie on Aug 22, 2016 10:18:05 GMT
He showed last season that he hasn't got the discipline for it. He's another who's more suited to playing with Whelan and not instead of. Spot on, Cameron has shown in fullback, centre half and midfield he has such a lack of discipline he naively drifts out of position so often. No way could he play the anchor role in midfield. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 10:18:05 GMT
I'd play Crouchy just for his height in our defence! We're losing far too many aerial duals for my liking!
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Post by malisastokie on Aug 22, 2016 10:21:50 GMT
Cameron in a 4-3-3
Butland
Johnson - Shawcross - Wolly - Peters
Cameron - Whelan - Allen
Shaq - Bojan - Arnie
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 22, 2016 10:26:02 GMT
I'd play Crouchy just for his height in our defence! We're losing far too many aerial duals for my liking! That's a none starter for me. Apart from the fact that our CB's are more interested in tackling the opponent than going for the ball, the main issue is they are too slow to get to the ball. Opponents are getting to the ball before we are as evidenced by the second goal on Saturday when 2 ManC forwards got to the ball before Wolly. Time and again at Boro, they had free headers because their forwards beat our defenders to head the ball. Crouch would be too slow as well. The same happens at corners where opponents beat our players (usually Whelan) to the near post. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 10:58:24 GMT
I'd like to see Wolly and Ryan fighting for one spot rather than holding down two. They both seem similar players with Ryan generally the slightly better (Not Saturday). What we need is a defender with a bit of pace if people can't see that this is what we are missing with Glen Johnson injured then I don't know what they are watching. For me he is the BIGGEST loss at the moment even more of a miss than Jack as we have at least some adequate cover in Shay.
I'd argue our back four on Saturday was the slowest in the prem and with Ryan auditioning for Strictly Come Dancing it was always going to be a goal fest for them.
Geoff offers more pace but lacks the discipline so midfield cover only please.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 22, 2016 11:03:49 GMT
Cameron isn't a DM, its another shoe horn again, he likes to bomb around like a headless chicken, its not what you want from a DM.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 22, 2016 11:04:10 GMT
We've been at our best under Hughes when Bojan has run things for us. I aren't prepared to give up on him just yet. And besides, Imbula was woeful on Saturday when played as the most advanced midfielder. I think we've got to give the Allen, Imbula, Bojan trio a try and see how it goes. That's where Hughes has put his money and we need to try and make it work. At present, I just feel he's reluctant to drop Whelan though which really confuses things. It confuses me that he's reluctant to drop Whelan IMO he's never offered anything more than protection and he's not even doing that well at the moment. Thats all he's meant to offer. |
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Post by Robo10 on Aug 22, 2016 11:06:41 GMT
I want GC in the team too.
Right back is fine, he offers cover behind Ryan and Phil too..
To be fair to Bardsley he had a decent game on Sat, by far the best of the back 4, but he is a walking red card alas, sone of his tackles made me wince! The moment he gets one wrong he is gone.
Not sure about midfield if honest, but he must offer more than Glenn at the min, who has been poor first two games.
You wonder at what point MH changes it up and goes with something like our strongest team (of available players)
Jack
Cam Shawx Wolly Erik
Allen Imbula
Shaq Bojan Arnie
Diouf
Cam though just holding fort for Johnson I guess. But the position not a concern as lots of cover with Bardo too
Wolly replaced by Jones, Muni also cover
Erik needs an upgrade, few options there (although cant Bardsley play LB?)
Ramadan on the bench mainly this season, with SJW, Adam and Whelan, Ireland to come back with Affellay
Diouf upgrade needed (Bera), but SJW, Crouch, Bojan and maybe Arnie can play there
Any decent u23s for left back or forward?
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Post by wembley4372 on Aug 22, 2016 11:19:36 GMT
I think we've finally found Gcams best position.
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Post by skelman on Aug 22, 2016 11:42:21 GMT
I'd like to see Cameron play... ...at right back or centre back for our opponents every week, so that we get lots of goals. Ditto. Cameron's best position in a nutshell |
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Post by boweryboy on Aug 22, 2016 11:51:37 GMT
Problem is Hughes didn't know that what his strongest side was last season,so hehas know chance this season when everyone is fit...hence the number of changes he makes before and during a game....
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Post by metalhead on Aug 22, 2016 11:56:30 GMT
I'd rather play him at centre half tbh.
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Post by Bick on Aug 22, 2016 12:01:21 GMT
Imbula proved this weekend that he was innefective further up the pitch.
Allen alongside Imbula in the DM roles for me with Bojan in front.
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Post by skelman on Aug 22, 2016 12:18:31 GMT
Any opposition must be delighted when they see Cameron anywhere in our starting XI.
Slip shod defending, frequently out of position, wrong side, losing his man in open play and at set pieces, failing to cover for team mates and stupid tackling as a result of his poor positional play. Cameron is too often chasing rather than dictating or supporting play. IMO he reads the game poorly, is a liability in his own right and for everyone around him.
Can't believe that hands haven't been snapped off when offers of £4-5m have been muted for him over the last year or so!
Natty dresser but gnat's piss defender and offers fekall in midfield 🙄
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