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Post by philb on Aug 20, 2016 22:56:36 GMT
So we've paid a mere £18.3million for a midfield player who needs to learn when to pass the ball and make more of an effort defensively. Sounds promising! Oh and has only got a left foot as well! You could say the same about Shaqiri, Bojan and Arnie who often over do it and subsequently concede possession. Against Boro last week I saw Diouf trying to make several good runs and all three aforementioned players rather than sending a ball in ran with it and then lost the ball. He clearly has confidence in himself and that is certainly not a bad thing. I think he is a very good player already but just with some work he could be even better and at his age he will get better. A young lad is bound to see glory and go for it and he will hopefully mature and learn when is the right occasion. Point taken, but none of them cost £18.3milliion.
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Post by armitagestokie on Aug 20, 2016 23:34:42 GMT
Adam chases back if he makes a 'balls-up'
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 21, 2016 0:08:09 GMT
I'd prefer a 3 of Adam, Imbula and Allen This and lose either Boyan or Whelan Either? It would be both wouldn't it?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 21, 2016 0:12:49 GMT
This and lose either Boyan or Whelan Either? It would be both wouldn't it? I think Adam, Imbula and Allen would give us a really nice mix in a midfield 3 with a bit of everything. Adams vision, passing, shooting and drive, Imbulas running with the ball and Allen buzzing around the pitch. With 3 in the middle it wouldn't be as necessary to have a Whelan type that would be important in a 2.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 21, 2016 0:16:13 GMT
Right now, neither of them! Whelan does the stuff none of us appreciate until he is not there whilst Joe promises to be our true SNZ replacement on today's evidence. One of Bojan or Shaq has to play as a number 10 ahead of them in our favoured 4-2-3-1.
As others have said, this does call into question what to do with our 18m man. He needs to learn to work much harder off the ball if he is not to be an unfulfilled talent rotting on the bench.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 21, 2016 0:44:32 GMT
Right now, neither of them! Whelan does the stuff none of us appreciate until he is not there whilst Joe promises to be our true SNZ replacement on today's evidence. One of Bojan or Shaq has to play as a number 10 ahead of them in our favoured 4-2-3-1. As others have said, this does call into question what to do with our 18m man. He needs to learn to work much harder off the ball if he is not to be an unfulfilled talent rotting on the bench. I'm not denying Whelan does the dirty work but I just dont think he's good enough at the basics, passing in particular. He rarely looks to pass it forward and often his back passes just slow us down, For me we need a Wanyama / Dier type. Big, quick, commanding and a good footballer.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 21, 2016 1:01:44 GMT
Right now, neither of them! Whelan does the stuff none of us appreciate until he is not there whilst Joe promises to be our true SNZ replacement on today's evidence. One of Bojan or Shaq has to play as a number 10 ahead of them in our favoured 4-2-3-1. As others have said, this does call into question what to do with our 18m man. He needs to learn to work much harder off the ball if he is not to be an unfulfilled talent rotting on the bench. I'm not denying Whelan does the dirty work but I just dont think he's good enough at the basics, passing in particular. He rarely looks to pass it forward and often his back passes just slow us down, For me we need a Wanyama / Dier type. Big, quick, commanding and a good footballer. If we did bring in a replacement for Whelan, it still begs the question on who would miss out, as four into three doesn't work? You'd have your Whelan replacement and Allen but then one of Imbula or Bojan would have to miss out.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 21, 2016 1:53:57 GMT
Imbulla
Now if you'd have asked Bojan or Adam................
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Post by breakonthrough on Aug 21, 2016 2:38:28 GMT
Imbula. First game he was mom, he may not be entirely consistent but he is absolute quality.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Aug 21, 2016 3:08:14 GMT
Adam is the more complete and rounded midfield player, the one who has really mastered the craft. The case against him rests on whether you somehow think Imbula represents the future as the younger man. Oh and of course Charlie's inability to pass a strewn opponent without treading on him. He's certainly more rounded!!! 😆 Adam for me!!! 👍
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Post by petecampbell on Aug 21, 2016 3:31:16 GMT
Imbula, is this even a question? The guy had one poor game.
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Post by kustokie on Aug 21, 2016 3:45:47 GMT
No I mean gives his all, gives a toss, puts a tackle in, always looks dangerous in the final 3rd, always gets on the ball and has some defensive discipline. Imbula is becoming a luxury we can't afford at times. Sorry mate but that description in your original post could fit both which is why I pointed that out. I like Charlie but he's shit defensively, can't tackle to save his life, has absolutely no discipline and 'his all' is about 20 minutes. Disagree. Neither are that great defensively. Neither can tackle worth a damn. However, at least Adam gets in the way and slows things up for Whelan and the back two to get set. Other teams go past Imbula like he's invisible and he doesn't track back. Sorry, but I'm very underwhelmed.
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Post by malteser68 on Aug 21, 2016 5:57:10 GMT
Imbula, is this even a question? The guy had one poor game. He had more than just one poor game
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Post by nik80 on Aug 21, 2016 6:08:15 GMT
Imbula, is this even a question? The guy had one poor game. Yes, of course it's a question. Imbula didn't fit the bill yesterday, Adam might have been the key to unlock Man City. He's by far the cleverest forward passer we've got on our books. With Bojan, Arnie, Imbula and Diouf not once did we work a way through our opponents, I reckon Adam might have found "the pass" Not saying imbula's not got his good attributes, just that it'd have been interesting to see a midfield triangle of Whelan, Allen and Adam. I'd have also possibly swapped Bojan to the middle and put Diouf wide right, although the front three were quite fluid anyway.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 21, 2016 6:19:13 GMT
Adam chases back if he makes a 'balls-up' Yeh then goes in two footed and risk a sending off. Imbula every day of the week.
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Post by nik80 on Aug 21, 2016 6:26:46 GMT
Adam chases back if he makes a 'balls-up' Yeh then goes in two footed and risk a sending off. Imbula every day of the week. But with Allen in the squad you arguably wouldn't need Adam flying in anywhere. That's not why he'd be in the side for me. Let Whelan break the play in front of our defence, have Allen covering the ground like he did so well yesterday and have Adam there to distribute the ball cleverly to our attacking players. I reckon in certain matches that'd work well, and I think yesterday was a case in question. I don't mind Imbula but he didn't offer us what we needed for that match.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 6:42:59 GMT
Sadly, I fail to see how imbula is helping our midfield compared to Adam.
The odd flashes of brilliance are too few and far between to be regular in the team for me.
Again, I counted four times his insistence on holding on to the ball put our defence under serious pressure. Again I saw umpteen times he stood there static while the opposition strolled past him with the ball.
Can't understand sparkies dislike of playing Charlie and for this and his none reaction season after season to our obvious defensive problems I'm steadily turning my back on Hughes
Imbula has fantastic abilities but, there are a few rough edges that need a good trimming
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Post by hoofmagic on Aug 21, 2016 7:10:22 GMT
Adam
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Post by wembley1972 on Aug 21, 2016 7:39:50 GMT
Adam at the moment, he looks to get the ball forward much quicker than anyone else we have in the squad. Imbula needs to learn to break free and look for a pass. Our forwards would benefit as well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 7:42:06 GMT
At the moment, Adam.
Something seems wrong with Imbula at the moment. Home sick, language barrier, I dont know, but something isn't right.
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Post by luciani on Aug 21, 2016 8:28:13 GMT
Imbula. He has huge potential- not yet justified the price tag, but give him time.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 21, 2016 8:28:17 GMT
Imbula, is this even a question? The guy had one poor game. He had more than just one poor game I think he means this season which is a smoke screen tactic, he had some very poor games last season but some want to wipe that off the record, he is a very expensive luxury for a club like us.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 8:34:35 GMT
If we bought another Joe Allen clone, or very similar player, we could lose quite a few in our midfield and play a double pivot.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Aug 21, 2016 8:37:07 GMT
Adam.
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Post by scfc5 on Aug 21, 2016 8:40:10 GMT
If we bought another Joe Allen clone, or very similar player, we could lose quite a few in our midfield and play a double pivot. That's what we already play when we line up in a 4231.
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Post by tomsviews on Aug 21, 2016 8:40:50 GMT
Imbula
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 21, 2016 8:45:54 GMT
When a team is struggling those out of the team instantly become better players than they are so I've thought long and hard about how I would as approach games at the moment.
I wouldn't have imbula or bojan anywhere near my starting 11 based on end of last season and start of this. If we had an alternative wing option, the same would be true of shaqiri.
Allen, Whelan, Adam for me at Everton next week.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 8:46:04 GMT
If we bought another Joe Allen clone, or very similar player, we could lose quite a few in our midfield and play a double pivot. That's what we already play when we line up in a 4231. Not quite mate. In theory we do, in reality we have two players who focus on specific jobs and very rarely do they swap. Simple reason is they don't have the skills to do so.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 21, 2016 8:48:48 GMT
Sorry mate but that description in your original post could fit both which is why I pointed that out. I like Charlie but he's shit defensively, can't tackle to save his life, has absolutely no discipline and 'his all' is about 20 minutes. Disagree. Neither are that great defensively. Neither can tackle worth a damn. However, at least Adam gets in the way and slows things up for Whelan and the back two to get set. Other teams go past Imbula like he's invisible and he doesn't track back. Sorry, but I'm very underwhelmed. Mate it's like comparing dogshit and catshit though. They both have different characteristics but you wouldn't want to eat either would you? I know that's harsh because both are good footballers but both have similar qualities and similar failings. I wouldn't trust either at the moment. It's just that Adam has simply been here longer and built up a bit more of a cult following.
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Post by stantheman on Aug 21, 2016 8:57:21 GMT
Raheem would have crapped himself if he saw Charlie anywhere near him.
Yesterday we were completely shot shy, with yet again a lack of vision, and players taking the easy option of passing sideways. Charlie should have been our 1st sub yesterday
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