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Post by Fred Merger on Aug 20, 2016 15:53:13 GMT
After watching todays game, will it emphasise the issues most people have been stating for a while? Defensively we are so naïve and keep falling for the same sucker punches week in week out, from set pieces especially. We obviously need more pace through the middle at CB we were caught flat footed twice at the end. All this talk of a striker yet nobody plays the ball into Diouf anyway.There is an undoubted amount of ability in our midfield but we are always shooting ourselves in the foot early on and chasing games.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 15:54:45 GMT
No
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Post by sportsman on Aug 20, 2016 15:54:58 GMT
That's what i said coming out of the the ground. If there is any good to come out of it, it's the same old things and mistakes being repeated in games. Hopefully the more obvious it is, and pissed off the manager gets, the quicker something will be done in the next couple of weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 15:56:37 GMT
Potentially, yes.
Don't disagree with what you're saying. For me, a new (mobile?) DM and clinical striker are absolutely key.
CB too.
Plenty of potential in the squad, and not a lost cause like lots of the negative tools reckon we are.
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Post by trentvale68 on Aug 20, 2016 15:57:56 GMT
Never a blessing to drop points though I see what the Op says
If management haven't seen the defensive issues already then I doubt today will make a jot of difference.
Still 11 days to get bodies in
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Post by march4 on Aug 20, 2016 16:00:09 GMT
After watching todays game, will it emphasise the issues most people have been stating for a while? Defensively we are so naïve and keep falling for the same sucker punches week in week out, from set pieces especially. We obviously need more pace through the middle at CB we were caught flat footed twice at the end. All this talk of a striker yet nobody plays the ball into Diouf anyway.There is an undoubted amount of ability in our midfield but we are always shooting ourselves in the foot early on and chasing games. It is only a blessing in disguise if LMH does something about it. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 20, 2016 16:00:15 GMT
They were just a much better team and if we had spent the money they had this season I would have expected a reverse scoreline , you can't race a mini against a Ferrari
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 16:01:34 GMT
I honestly don't think today will make any difference to the managers thinking. He's as much of a zealot as Pulis was.
If the Jones rumours are to be believed I'd have him as the holding midfield player. Get a centre half in and try for Trippier from Spurs.
A pacy centre forward is an absolute must.
Lots of work to do.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 20, 2016 16:01:51 GMT
Never a blessing to drop points though I see what the Op says If management haven't seen the defensive issues already then I doubt today will make a jot of difference. Still 11 days to get bodies in West brom have said they want 5 in. I want 6. A new back four, a forward and a winger with pace. If we had a winger with pace we wouldn't have been caught out offside 72 times today as he'd pick the ball up and run at them pushing them back. You can't be offside if you're running with the ball. |
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Post by sportsman on Aug 20, 2016 16:02:43 GMT
They were just a much better team and if we had spent the money they had this season I would have expected a reverse scoreline , you can't race a mini against a Ferrari Tell that to Burnley fans tonight. |
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Post by wuzza on Aug 20, 2016 16:02:54 GMT
It's hard to tell - if Sparkys comments are anything to go by he doesn't have a lot of issues with what we are doing and those who are doing it - so probably no, today is just another home defeat end of story.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 16:04:38 GMT
Not at all. We had to put up with that shower of shot in defence for half of last season and he as still neglected it at the start of this. Not signing a centre half and goalkeeper is criminal
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Post by sportsman on Aug 20, 2016 16:06:34 GMT
It's hard to tell - if Sparkys comments are anything to go by he doesn't have a lot of issues with what we are doing and those who are doing it - so probably no, today is just another home defeat end of story. He slated their second goal on really bad defending. I'll be amazed if that back line is anything near the same at the end of the month. At least 3 different players will be in it. |
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Post by TexasPotter on Aug 20, 2016 16:10:47 GMT
I honestly don't think today will make any difference to the managers thinking. He's as much of a zealot as Pulis was. If the Jones rumours are to be believed I'd have him as the holding midfield player. Get a centre half in and try for Trippier from Spurs. A pacy centre forward is an absolute must. Lots of work to do. This. Watched Whelan do absolutely nothing for their third goal just on pre-match for the Leicester v. Arsenal match. Livid, just Dreadful. Stood watching then, reacted and went to the ball instead of marking a player in the box but hopefully today was only a blight, but looking forward. A player is needed and Jones at CDM/CB doesn't sound half bad after today. |
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Post by no1972 on Aug 20, 2016 16:11:22 GMT
It's only a blessing if we learn from it,first half we were poor,second half we were better without looking dangerous,bar the pen I cannot remember there keeper having to make a save of any note,our problems are the same now at home as they were last year.Too slow in the build up,no out and out winger,no pace in the middle of the the back four and no striker,so we haven't learned from last year so MH must think all is ok.
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Post by TexasPotter on Aug 20, 2016 16:12:09 GMT
They were just a much better team and if we had spent the money they had this season I would have expected a reverse scoreline , you can't race a mini against a Ferrari Tell that to Burnley fans tonight. Them to a man ran it ragged to win the ball Burnley. Credit where it is due. We're full of fancy dans now and no shows. Difference between us and Burnley is confidence, spirit and want. |
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Post by no1972 on Aug 20, 2016 16:13:53 GMT
I honestly don't think today will make any difference to the managers thinking. He's as much of a zealot as Pulis was. If the Jones rumours are to be believed I'd have him as the holding midfield player. Get a centre half in and try for Trippier from Spurs. A pacy centre forward is an absolute must. Lots of work to do. This. Watched Whelan do absolutely nothing for their third goal just on pre-match for the Leicester v. Arsenal match. Livid, just Dreadful. Stood watching then, reacted and went to the ball instead of marking a player in the box but hopefully today was only a blight, but looking forward. A player is needed and Jones at CDM/CB doesn't sound half bad after today. I would not blame Whealan as he most proberley was knackered covering for our record signing with the gloves on,now he was shocking. |
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Post by TexasPotter on Aug 20, 2016 16:15:59 GMT
This. Watched Whelan do absolutely nothing for their third goal just on pre-match for the Leicester v. Arsenal match. Livid, just Dreadful. Stood watching then, reacted and went to the ball instead of marking a player in the box but hopefully today was only a blight, but looking forward. A player is needed and Jones at CDM/CB doesn't sound half bad after today. I would not blame Whealan as he most proberley was knackered covering for our record signing with the gloves on,now he was shocking. Both were dreadful and Whelan shouldn't of been knackered he barely ran half the match like Imbula. He was utterly shocking today and proves we need to spend now. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 20, 2016 16:25:23 GMT
They were just a much better team and if we had spent the money they had this season I would have expected a reverse scoreline , you can't race a mini against a Ferrari Tell that to Burnley fans tonight. Great result for burnley , but did you really expect Stoke to win today , if so you need a reality check |
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Post by Fred Merger on Aug 20, 2016 16:43:36 GMT
I honestly don't think today will make any difference to the managers thinking. He's as much of a zealot as Pulis was. If the Jones rumours are to be believed I'd have him as the holding midfield player. Get a centre half in and try for Trippier from Spurs. A pacy centre forward is an absolute must. Lots of work to do. Diouf has pace though mate, and makes runs too, but no one is making any effort to play him through. I realise hes no Aguero,but if we do manage to attract a striker are Arnie and co going to look out for him or just hit hopeful shots from 25 yards out like last week at boro? |
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Post by sportsman on Aug 20, 2016 16:49:03 GMT
Tell that to Burnley fans tonight. Great result for burnley , but did you really expect Stoke to win today , if so you need a reality check I didn't expect us to win, but you go there knowing it wouldn't be a huge shock if we did. |
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Post by no1972 on Aug 20, 2016 16:50:12 GMT
I honestly don't think today will make any difference to the managers thinking. He's as much of a zealot as Pulis was. If the Jones rumours are to be believed I'd have him as the holding midfield player. Get a centre half in and try for Trippier from Spurs. A pacy centre forward is an absolute must. Lots of work to do. Diouf has pace though mate, and makes runs too, but no one is making any effort to play him through. I realise hes no Aguero,but if we do manage to attract a striker are Arnie and co going to look out for him or just hit hopeful shots from 25 yards out like last week at boro? Yes he as pace but does not now when to use it,he doesn't antisapate the ball going over the defender,when he does get forward he walks back so in a offside position,so we cannot move the ball forward.Blackburn got rid of him. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 20, 2016 16:52:18 GMT
Great result for burnley , but did you really expect Stoke to win today , if so you need a reality check I didn't expect us to win, but you go there knowing it wouldn't be a huge shock if we did. I know what you saying mate I expect us to go out and try win every game , but they have spent a mad since amount this season so for me it I knew in me head it was a city win all day long |
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 20, 2016 16:52:58 GMT
I didn't expect us to win, but you go there knowing it wouldn't be a huge shock if we did. I know what you saying mate I expect us to go out and try win every game , but they have spent a mad since amount this season so for me it I knew in me head it was a city win all day long You say massive amount lol |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 20, 2016 16:59:07 GMT
I honestly don't think today will make any difference to the managers thinking. He's as much of a zealot as Pulis was. If the Jones rumours are to be believed I'd have him as the holding midfield player. Get a centre half in and try for Trippier from Spurs. A pacy centre forward is an absolute must. Lots of work to do. Spot on we have 2 parts of a very good midfield 3. Whelan upgrade is becoming a priority we need someone who can pass forward as well as being quicker around the pitch. Basically an Allen Clone. We also need A commanding CB A Quicker LB A striker in the true meaning of the word. |
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Post by Davef on Aug 20, 2016 17:01:39 GMT
After watching todays game, will it emphasise the issues most people have been stating for a while? Defensively we are so naïve and keep falling for the same sucker punches week in week out, from set pieces especially. We obviously need more pace through the middle at CB we were caught flat footed twice at the end. All this talk of a striker yet nobody plays the ball into Diouf anyway.There is an undoubted amount of ability in our midfield but we are always shooting ourselves in the foot early on and chasing games. All of the problems you've highlighted there were evident at the end of last season. It shouldn't really need poor results at the start of a new one for things to get addressed. |
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Post by thestokielad on Aug 20, 2016 18:13:20 GMT
No, if anything a 4-1 defeat at home is just going to ruin the teams confidence...sparky already knows we need a defender and a striker etc
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Post by fca47 on Aug 20, 2016 18:16:47 GMT
A drubbing is never good.
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Post by trentvale68 on Aug 20, 2016 18:17:16 GMT
Tell that to Burnley fans tonight. Them to a man ran it ragged to win the ball Burnley. Credit where it is due. We're full of fancy dans now and no shows. Difference between us and Burnley is confidence, spirit and want. I do wish we had a bit more of that spirit that we had in 2008/09
its crazy but I feel less confident about results than I did back then??!!
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Post by ashleyscfc on Aug 20, 2016 19:09:25 GMT
Hopefully joe Allen showed the rest of them today what running looks like
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