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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jul 28, 2016 16:55:59 GMT
FFS what the fuck he's not worth a 10th of that! Gouranga.  |
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Post by mattador78 on Jul 28, 2016 16:58:06 GMT
FFS what the fuck he's not worth a 10th of that! Gouranga. Hes the new beckenbauer blasphemer you |
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Post by sportsman on Jul 28, 2016 17:00:21 GMT
If we signed him for £10m i'd be gutted and think we'd wasted £10m on a defender that can't defend. At least we'll be able tear him a new one in our first home game. The media will say he'll come good in about 5 years so that's alright then.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2016 17:04:30 GMT
Guardiola and Allardyce will turn him into a cracking defender.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jul 28, 2016 17:07:20 GMT
Guardiola and Allardyce will turn him into a cracking defender. You think so? I doubt it I would stake money on him developing into a amazingly average defender. Gouranga. |
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 28, 2016 17:07:49 GMT
Future England captain. Superb footballer who needs the right defensive coaching.
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Post by sportsman on Jul 28, 2016 17:09:18 GMT
Guardiola and Allardyce will turn him into a cracking defender. Bet he'll soon be upgrading his Cruyff turn on the edge of his own box into a double cruyff turn. That's the Pep factor see. |
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Post by sportsman on Jul 28, 2016 17:09:47 GMT
Future England captain. Superb footballer who needs the right defensive coaching. Good luck with that! Midfielder maybe. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2016 17:11:17 GMT
Future England captain. Superb footballer who needs the right defensive coaching. I've made my mind up with stones, he's thick. |
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Jul 28, 2016 17:11:29 GMT
Citeh won't pay that...Everton won't sell for less....
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Post by roylandstoke on Jul 28, 2016 17:17:39 GMT
Mangala and Otamendi cost about £60M between them and they are both bang average.
Stones may be slightly better than the two above.
If they are looking for an average CB we should offer them Marc Wilson.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 28, 2016 17:18:32 GMT
Future England captain. Superb footballer who needs the right defensive coaching. Good luck with that! Midfielder maybe. Maybe. Must be a reason why one of the top three coaches in world football want him. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2016 17:19:55 GMT
Guardiola and Allardyce will turn him into a cracking defender. You think so? I doubt it I would stake money on him developing into a amazingly average defender. Gouranga. Hand on heart, yes I do. Allardyce will knock out the nonsense with England and Guardiola will sharpen him up at Citeh. Even if he stopped at Everton, I reckon Koeman would have also been ideal for him. |
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Post by sportsman on Jul 28, 2016 17:20:21 GMT
Good luck with that! Midfielder maybe. Maybe. Must be a reason why one of the top three coaches in world football want him. I don't think Mourinho at the time and Pep this time would go near him if he wasn't English. Even we're going for a british spine this year. |
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Post by sportsman on Jul 28, 2016 17:21:20 GMT
Future England captain. Superb footballer who needs the right defensive coaching. I've made my mind up with stones, he's thick. Sums him up really. A poor mans Cahill for me. |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 28, 2016 17:25:59 GMT
Probably turn into a better defender by staying tbh. Koeman made Southampton's defence one of the best and has his teams extremely well organised.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 28, 2016 17:26:40 GMT
Maybe. Must be a reason why one of the top three coaches in world football want him. I don't think Mourinho at the time and Pep this time would go near him if he wasn't English. Even we're going for a british spine this year. Perhaps not but that is to England's and Stones's advantage. I don't get why football fans in this country are so keen to slaughter young players who have clear ability but are learning the game yet laud plodders who've relatively little ability and achieved jack. |
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Post by canadianmoose on Jul 28, 2016 17:27:07 GMT
If he doesn't know how to defend properly by now, I doubt he ever will no matter who coaches him.
This obsession with central defenders who are great ball players and passers without having the ability to actually defend properly is just mind boggling.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 28, 2016 17:29:42 GMT
If he doesn't know how to defend properly by now, I doubt he ever will no matter who coaches him. This obsession with central defenders who are great ball players and passers without having the ability to actually defend properly is just mind boggling. So how come 'proper' defenders mature with age? Remind me of the Centre Half when England won the world cup? |
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Post by sportsman on Jul 28, 2016 17:33:24 GMT
Maybe. Must be a reason why one of the top three coaches in world football want him. I don't think Mourinho at the time and Pep this time would go near him if he wasn't English. Even we're going for a british spine this year. It was also the reason they signed that super midfielder Fabian Stealth. |
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Post by canadianmoose on Jul 28, 2016 17:41:25 GMT
he drops as many clangers as Marc Wilson, is powder puff, not commanding on either ground or air and hes certainly not a 'stopper'. Other than this unwarranted comparison to Bobby Moore as a ball playing centre half, what exactly has he done? He was dropped from the Everton side after some shocking performances and the unwarranted hype and stupidly quick elevation to the England team has done nothing to help. I have not seen any ability to make it as top level central defender. I have seen some nice passing and bringing the ball out from the back but that should be the icing on the defender cake, not the whole cake! If he wasn't English, we wouldn't hear anything about him as hes bang average as a central defender. We certainly wouldn't be discussing 50 million transfer fees.
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Post by numpty40 on Jul 28, 2016 17:42:55 GMT
Guardiola and Allardyce will turn him into a cracking defender. I really don't think he's a player Allardyce would particularly trust. Hodgson didn't trust him and even Martinez didn't trust him. Yet he still talked about as a £50m footballer. He is not a natural defender and that is something that can't be coached in my opinion. |
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 28, 2016 17:46:09 GMT
he drops as many clangers as Marc Wilson, is powder puff, not commanding on either ground or air and hes certainly not a 'stopper'. Other than this unwarranted comparison to Bobby Moore as a ball playing centre half, what exactly has he done? He was dropped from the Everton side after some shocking performances and the unwarranted hype and stupidly quick elevation to the England team has done nothing to help. I have not seen any ability to make it as top level central defender. I have seen some nice passing and bringing the ball out from the back but that should be the icing on the defender cake, not the whole cake! If he wasn't English, we wouldn't hear anything about him as hes bang average as a central defender. We certainly wouldn't be discussing 50 million transfer fees. I haven't compared him to anyone. Bobby Moore was a superb ball playing Centre Half who rarely got his shorts dirty. It's no coincidence that England won the World Cup as they had 2 of the greatest footballers who ever pulled on a pair of boots in the side. Defending is the easiest part of the game to coach, the other is not. That is why ball playing centre halves are at a premium in this country. Stones is a young lad learning his trade but a load of vitriolic bullshit is thrown at him. No wonder English football is on its arse. |
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Post by canadianmoose on Jul 28, 2016 17:50:30 GMT
he drops as many clangers as Marc Wilson, is powder puff, not commanding on either ground or air and hes certainly not a 'stopper'. Other than this unwarranted comparison to Bobby Moore as a ball playing centre half, what exactly has he done? He was dropped from the Everton side after some shocking performances and the unwarranted hype and stupidly quick elevation to the England team has done nothing to help. I have not seen any ability to make it as top level central defender. I have seen some nice passing and bringing the ball out from the back but that should be the icing on the defender cake, not the whole cake! If he wasn't English, we wouldn't hear anything about him as hes bang average as a central defender. We certainly wouldn't be discussing 50 million transfer fees. I haven't compared him to anyone. Defending is the easiest part of the game to coach, the other is not. That is why ball playing centre halves are at a premium in this country. Stones is a young lad learning his trade but we a load of vitriolic bullshit thrown at him. No wonder English football is on its arse. "Remind me of the Centre Half when England won the world cup?" It certainly appeared you were comparing him to Bobby Moore. My apologies if this quote was misunderstood. I dont agree. The art of defending is like goal scoring poachers. You either have the natural knack of being in the right place at the right time or you dont. You can improve with coaching but if its not there, its not there. |
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Post by numpty40 on Jul 28, 2016 17:56:43 GMT
he drops as many clangers as Marc Wilson, is powder puff, not commanding on either ground or air and hes certainly not a 'stopper'. Other than this unwarranted comparison to Bobby Moore as a ball playing centre half, what exactly has he done? He was dropped from the Everton side after some shocking performances and the unwarranted hype and stupidly quick elevation to the England team has done nothing to help. I have not seen any ability to make it as top level central defender. I have seen some nice passing and bringing the ball out from the back but that should be the icing on the defender cake, not the whole cake! If he wasn't English, we wouldn't hear anything about him as hes bang average as a central defender. We certainly wouldn't be discussing 50 million transfer fees. I haven't compared him to anyone. Defending is the easiest part of the game to coach, the other is not. That is why ball playing centre halves are at a premium in this country. Stones is a young lad learning his trade but we a load of vitriolic bullshit thrown at him. No wonder English football is on its arse. Disagree that defending is the easiest to coach, a natural defender instinctively sees danger and covers that danger and gets a foot in or a block in. It's very unspectacular and goes under the radar most of the time. Stones looks good with the ball at his feet and bringing the ball out of defence without question but looks dodgy as fuck with someone running at him and is impulsive in the tackle. |
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Post by ryan4england on Jul 28, 2016 18:07:09 GMT
Just don't get it. Defenders are judged these days on how good they are at 'football' more so than defending. Ever likely the premiership is bursting with shit defences and Leicester won the league last season with two 'proper' centre halves
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Post by philb on Jul 28, 2016 18:12:05 GMT
he drops as many clangers as Marc Wilson, is powder puff, not commanding on either ground or air and hes certainly not a 'stopper'. Other than this unwarranted comparison to Bobby Moore as a ball playing centre half, what exactly has he done? He was dropped from the Everton side after some shocking performances and the unwarranted hype and stupidly quick elevation to the England team has done nothing to help. I have not seen any ability to make it as top level central defender. I have seen some nice passing and bringing the ball out from the back but that should be the icing on the defender cake, not the whole cake! If he wasn't English, we wouldn't hear anything about him as hes bang average as a central defender. We certainly wouldn't be discussing 50 million transfer fees. Agree 100% |
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Post by ruts66 on Jul 28, 2016 18:14:29 GMT
I'd rather have Ryan any day.
I like defenders that can defend...
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 28, 2016 18:55:46 GMT
£50m for a defender who can't defend is good going in anybody's language.
It's like our deal for Danny Collins but on steroids.
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Post by thehoof on Jul 28, 2016 18:58:26 GMT
I don't think Mourinho at the time and Pep this time would go near him if he wasn't English. Even we're going for a british spine this year. Perhaps not but that is to England's and Stones's advantage. I don't get why football fans in this country are so keen to slaughter young players who have clear ability but are learning the game yet laud plodders who've relatively little ability and achieved jack. Of course young players make mistakes.Even good young players - however if you are intent on improving, then you learn from your mistakes. Stones learnt so well he ended up getting dropped by Everton, and was nowhere near deserving of his place in the England squad on the form he displayed. He gave away two of the four we scored at Everton; as for Pep wanting him Pugs, do you think that even Pep gets every decision correct? It's not about slaughtering a young player, it's about recognizing hype over ability. Stones has received a lot of one, and is blessed with an average amount of the other. If Everton can get £50m for him, they will laugh all the way to the bank; perhaps you are right, but for me he will just be another Mangala or Otasamendi- not another Kompany. |
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