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Post by breakonthrough on Jul 13, 2016 9:26:47 GMT
Right, cheers mate. I'm hoping he's the long awaited Whelan competition/successor the thing is, whelan was never signed to be our defensive midfielder for best part of a decade. I don't see why we need to locate a proven and likely expensive natural sitter? a central midfielder with the right attributes can be coached to become that player. I see people turning their noses up at ryan mason because they didn't see him play there. why can't he? how do we know? lemina looks energetic and not shy of a tackle, if he has positional discipline there is no reason why he couldn't be guided into such a role anyway. Exactly yeah, in his early years whelen was considered more of a playmaker and was known to score the odd goal (8 in one season at Wednesday I believe) it just so happened that by hook or crook he made the position his own.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 13, 2016 9:39:16 GMT
Transfermarkt (who are usually pretty good on everything but players' values!) have him down as mainly a Defensive Midfielder but say he can also play Central Midfield and Right Back.
Sounds ideal - a young, strong defensive midfielder who is also good on the ball is just what we need as a Whelan successor. Looking at his reputation for being a bit of a hot head - he'll probably need bedding in gradually to learn a bit of discipline, and we might see the best of him in 2017/18 - which would fit well with Whelan's contract situation.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 13, 2016 9:44:38 GMT
Transfermarkt (who are usually pretty good on everything but players' values!) have him down as mainly a Defensive Midfielder but say he can also play Central Midfield and Right Back. Sounds ideal - a young, strong defensive midfielder who is also good on the ball is just what we need as a Whelan successor. Looking at his reputation for being a bit of a hot head - he'll probably need bedding in gradually to learn a bit of discipline, and we might see the best of him in 2017/18 - which would fit well with Whelan's contract situation. Are we really going to shell out £15 million plus for a player who will feature occasionally in the hope he'll become a permanent fixture the season after this one? I know that's not really what you mean John, but I'd assume someone like Lemina, at the sort of fee he might command, should be a first teamer for good come the New Year at the latest. The sooner we get more dynamism into the central midfield area the better.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 13, 2016 9:52:45 GMT
Transfermarkt (who are usually pretty good on everything but players' values!) have him down as mainly a Defensive Midfielder but say he can also play Central Midfield and Right Back. Sounds ideal - a young, strong defensive midfielder who is also good on the ball is just what we need as a Whelan successor. Looking at his reputation for being a bit of a hot head - he'll probably need bedding in gradually to learn a bit of discipline, and we might see the best of him in 2017/18 - which would fit well with Whelan's contract situation. Are we really going to shell out £15 million plus for a player who will feature occasionally in the hope he'll become a permanent fixture the season after this one? I know that's not really what you mean John, but I'd assume someone like Lemina, at the sort of fee he might command, should be a first teamer for good come the New Year at the latest. The sooner we get more dynamism into the central midfield area the better. Yes, it isn't really what I mean. I suspect he might be a bit like Arnie was - clearly not the finished article (in Premier League terms) when he arrived but who improved season by season. Let's be honest, if we had the fabled third winger available last season, Shaq would possibly not have become a regular starter until the second half of the season. Lemina would cost a lot more than Arnie, of course (but these are different times) and I think your idea that he might become the first choice by the second half of the season, is probably not far off the mark.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2016 9:57:57 GMT
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Post by foster on Jul 13, 2016 10:04:09 GMT
Transfermarkt (who are usually pretty good on everything but players' values!) have him down as mainly a Defensive Midfielder but say he can also play Central Midfield and Right Back. Sounds ideal - a young, strong defensive midfielder who is also good on the ball is just what we need as a Whelan successor. Looking at his reputation for being a bit of a hot head - he'll probably need bedding in gradually to learn a bit of discipline, and we might see the best of him in 2017/18 - which would fit well with Whelan's contract situation. So basically transfermarkt are shit at the main thing they're supposed to be good at ....But good at all the other stuff which is fine.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 13, 2016 10:44:51 GMT
Transfermarkt (who are usually pretty good on everything but players' values!) have him down as mainly a Defensive Midfielder but say he can also play Central Midfield and Right Back. Sounds ideal - a young, strong defensive midfielder who is also good on the ball is just what we need as a Whelan successor. Looking at his reputation for being a bit of a hot head - he'll probably need bedding in gradually to learn a bit of discipline, and we might see the best of him in 2017/18 - which would fit well with Whelan's contract situation. So basically transfermarkt are shit at the main thing they're supposed to be good at ....But good at all the other stuff which is fine. For some reason they usually seem to value players at a lower value than they subesquently get sold for! It might simply be that they think footballers in general are over priced - if that's the reason, I can sympathise with their point of view. But everything else they are pretty good on. So if you want to know things like what second passports players have, beyond their nationality at birth, their contract expiry dates, and the position or positions they can play in, they are a useful resource.
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Post by lordb on Jul 13, 2016 11:11:20 GMT
We could always play Whelan & Lamina together on occasion especially away two holding midfielders,play on the break even more than we do.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 13, 2016 19:14:23 GMT
No offer yet - but "firm interest" say Guardian
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 13, 2016 19:15:59 GMT
No offer yet - but "firm interest" say Guardian Value must have gone down as apparently we'd offered 15m
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 13, 2016 19:18:51 GMT
I like the look of this guy and around £10-12m in today's market seems like a decent price.
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Post by baystokie on Jul 13, 2016 19:42:17 GMT
No offer yet - but "firm interest" say Guardian Value must have gone down as apparently we'd offered 15m That depends on whether or not you believed the 15m story. I wouldn't trust any report that quoted figures as most buyers and seller generally refrain from showing their hand too early.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 13, 2016 19:44:58 GMT
Value must have gone down as apparently we'd offered 15m That depends on whether or not you believed the 15m story. I wouldn't trust any report that quoted figures as most buyers and seller generally refrain from showing their hand too early. Of course this guy could be talking rubbish too. Who knows .
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Post by jezzascfc on Jul 13, 2016 19:49:28 GMT
Maybe the 15m was Euros, which is about 12.6m pounds at present?
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Post by LDE76 on Jul 13, 2016 19:52:10 GMT
Maybe the 15m was Euros, which is about 12.6m pounds at present? The original source was Italian, so that could well be the case.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2016 20:46:26 GMT
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Post by nutterpotter on Jul 13, 2016 20:48:53 GMT
Hmm if Leicester wanted him previously he must be decent
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Post by nutterpotter on Jul 13, 2016 20:49:56 GMT
How reliable is Ed Aarons by the way?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 13, 2016 20:52:50 GMT
Doesn't look like there's much competition for his signature. If Juve are willing to do business, which it looks like they are, this could get done pretty quickly.. For us anyway.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 13, 2016 20:54:24 GMT
Let's hope so.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 13, 2016 20:57:14 GMT
Doesn't look like there's much competition for his signature. If Juve are willing to do business, which it looks like they are, this could get done pretty quickly.. For us anyway. The German team that are interested, Red Bull Leipzig, are apparently a new moneybags club who aren't afraid to splash the cash and make waves by the looks of it But you'd think the Prem would win out especially with the Imbula link?
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Post by nutterpotter on Jul 13, 2016 21:00:18 GMT
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Post by scfcwebby on Jul 13, 2016 21:00:50 GMT
Are Watford the new West Ham?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 13, 2016 21:01:56 GMT
Doesn't look like there's much competition for his signature. If Juve are willing to do business, which it looks like they are, this could get done pretty quickly.. For us anyway. The German team that interested, Red Bull Leipzig, are apparently a new moneybags club who aren't afraid to splash the cash and make waves by the looks of it But you'd think the Prem would win out especially with the Imbula link? They can't offer more than Uncle Pete surely? .. but yeah, Imbula seems to be playing a key role in this deal. Maybe he's tipped the club off or even Lemina has been speaking to Imbula and fancies a bit of it for himself. Time will tell.
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Post by nutterpotter on Jul 13, 2016 21:14:49 GMT
From his wiki:
A strong, hard-working, and dynamic right-footed midfielder, with solid technique and distribution, Lemina is a box-to-box player, who is capable of starting attacking plays after winning back possession. Due to his tactical versatility, he is capable of playing in several positions, and has been deployed as a winger, as a full-back, or as a wing-back, on the right flank; during his time with Marseille, he also played as centre-back in a three-man defence on occasion, during the 2014–15 season, under manager Marcelo Bielsa. Despite his talent, he has also earned a reputation for having a temper and for lacking concentration at times.
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Post by nutterpotter on Jul 13, 2016 21:18:54 GMT
Although I just found this which is interesting: Just like Lyon’s Corentin Tolisso, the debate over Lemina’s best position only exists because of his excellent ability to adapt and show a high level of versatility. First and foremost, he is probably more at home playing in the ‘box-to-box’ midfielder role, but he is equally adept as a playmaker or deep-lying grinder. It’s not completely unknown for him to fill in at right-back, or on the right side of midfield, too. It is perhaps the lack of a really strong physical build that prevents Lemina from being an out-and-out defensive holding player. However he has all the other attributes to succeed in that role: great intelligence and work rate, a strong engine, and the ability to really time a tackle well. Many would see Lemina as a street fighter. He chases a lot of balls down, harries and pressurises opponents into mistakes, and seems to possess a strong determined attitude. frenchfootballweekly.com/2015/09/01/will-juventus-take-mario-lemina-to-the-next-level/
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 13, 2016 21:20:02 GMT
From his wiki: A strong, hard-working, and dynamic right-footed midfielder, with solid technique and distribution, Lemina is a box-to-box player, who is capable of starting attacking plays after winning back possession. Due to his tactical versatility, he is capable of playing in several positions, and has been deployed as a winger, as a full-back, or as a wing-back, on the right flank; during his time with Marseille, he also played as centre-back in a three-man defence on occasion, during the 2014–15 season, under manager Marcelo Bielsa. Despite his talent, he has also earned a reputation for having a temper and for lacking concentration at times. It's taken us a while but sounds like we're on the brink of finally replacing Rory Delap.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2016 21:25:50 GMT
I love the sound of this fella if I'm being honest, honestly don't think we're linked with a single dud
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Post by brumstokie on Jul 13, 2016 21:38:47 GMT
We could always play Whelan & Lamina together on occasion especially away two holding midfielders,play on the break even more than we do. Yes make them both play in the cage - it'll be like the good old Pulis days😀
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 13, 2016 21:45:48 GMT
Although I just found this which is interesting: Just like Lyon’s Corentin Tolisso, the debate over Lemina’s best position only exists because of his excellent ability to adapt and show a high level of versatility. First and foremost, he is probably more at home playing in the ‘box-to-box’ midfielder role, but he is equally adept as a playmaker or deep-lying grinder. It’s not completely unknown for him to fill in at right-back, or on the right side of midfield, too. It is perhaps the lack of a really strong physical build that prevents Lemina from being an out-and-out defensive holding player. However he has all the other attributes to succeed in that role: great intelligence and work rate, a strong engine, and the ability to really time a tackle well. Many would see Lemina as a street fighter. He chases a lot of balls down, harries and pressurises opponents into mistakes, and seems to possess a strong determined attitude. frenchfootballweekly.com/2015/09/01/will-juventus-take-mario-lemina-to-the-next-level/Sounds a bit too much like dean whitehead for my liking!
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