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Post by chiefdelilah on Jun 20, 2016 21:41:56 GMT
Not especially interested in the performance tonight now algor, it's over, it's history and we can't undo the performance. All we can do now is to concentrate on the next round because that's what we can still influence, feeling sorry for ourselves or angry with Hodgson doesn't achieve anything. You're constantly invoking history though Geoff?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 20, 2016 21:45:20 GMT
Not especially interested in the performance tonight now algor, it's over, it's history and we can't undo the performance. All we can do now is to concentrate on the next round because that's what we can still influence, feeling sorry for ourselves or angry with Hodgson doesn't achieve anything. You're constantly invoking history though Geoff? And the silly old fucker never seems to learn from history does he?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2016 21:45:42 GMT
0 - Absolute thunder cunt. He's thrown the group away, fucking owl looking bastard. Needs fucking, and sacking.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2016 21:46:21 GMT
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Post by geoff321 on Jun 20, 2016 21:49:23 GMT
Fair point rob, when we look at history though we need to do it in a calm and logical way and try and learn from it, unfortunately though you can't change it.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jun 20, 2016 21:50:56 GMT
Fair point rob, when we look at history though we need to do it in a calm and logical way and try and learn from it, unfortunately though you can't change it. I don't think anyone has suggested you can change history Geoff. I think you can be calm and logical and still be bitterly disappointed with that performance and suggest took g that group shouldn't be an unrealistic expectation for England.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2016 21:51:01 GMT
Fair point rob, when we look at history though we need to do it in a calm and logical way and try and learn from it, unfortunately though you can't change it. Troll
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2016 22:20:49 GMT
Awful management. Surely put out your best side. Get a cushion then rest players. Admittedly we totally dominated yet again but we should have topped that group. As it is I can see us playing Hungary in the next round which should be no worries on our March to the final
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jun 21, 2016 7:12:28 GMT
All part of Roy's masterwank
2 from me
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Post by Northy on Jun 21, 2016 7:24:20 GMT
2 - because we didn't lose. Entirely predictable that we struggled to play through them without a recognised effective wide-man in the team. Roy's one trick pony of a plan has foundered on the utterly wank displays from sterling, but its serves him right because sterling was wank for man city last year and he still left townsend at home. Owls are wise with fantastic vision. Owl faced he may be, but that's where the similarity ends. Pretty much what I was going to say, lack of decent width as an option the clueless fooker. 1
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Post by ryan4england on Jun 21, 2016 7:33:26 GMT
3 another game I didn't manage to stay awake the full 90
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Jun 21, 2016 7:44:38 GMT
0 .He is totally clueless.. We have drawn with two poor sides hammered by Wales FFS..and were fortunate to beat them. If we get Portugal or Hungary even we are on our way home. The bloke should have been sacked 18 months ago.
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Post by jarvinski on Jun 21, 2016 8:02:13 GMT
0/10. Absolutely fucking clueless
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Post by vahl on Jun 21, 2016 8:52:53 GMT
There was an image of Roy & Ray standing on the touchline 'having a word' about tactics and changes - I thought that summed it up - let's knock 2 heads together to mastermind a victory over the mighty Slovakia...
3 / 10
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Post by metalhead on Jun 21, 2016 11:44:52 GMT
I don't usually rank Hodgson because my feelings on the cretin are well and truly known, but fuck it, I will give them in this one. 1/10, can we go lower than 1? 0? -10? He set us up all wrong against a very competitive Slovakia team, but also fucked us over months ago when he decided that Andy Carroll wasn't worth a place in the squad. Last night's match was a game tailor made for a player like Carroll. We were never going to break down that Slovakia team by passing it through them, and we certainly weren't going to by whipping (inaccurate) crosses in to a striker who's only 5ft10. Slovakia found a way to keep us out and a good tactician would have seen those problems. Here's the problem though, good tactician or not, you can't switch to Plan B if you haven't got one, and ultimately, we haven't because Woy fucked us with his dreadful squad selection.
Yes, he brought on Kane, who's a bit taller and a bit better in the air but still, as a game goes, it was screaming for a player like Carroll who would have given us an outlet ball, a target man to aim at, and strength that we were desperately lacking.
Well done Woy.
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Post by lowlands on Jun 21, 2016 14:34:19 GMT
Good job we scored the last minute goals against Wales otherwise England would be out
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jun 21, 2016 14:40:08 GMT
2 we had a great end to the Wales game he should have kept it bubbling and not made all those changes
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Post by geoff321 on Jun 21, 2016 15:02:45 GMT
Although we don't have the best players in Europe in most positions we have better players than Wales. There's no evidence either that Chris Coleman is a better manager than Roy Hodgson, so why have we finished second in the Group?
For me the most likely answer is that the teams parked the bus against England and played for the draw, but attacked Wales and went for the win and so left space for the Welsh forwards to take advantage of.
The second issue was that England tried to pass through these packed defensives which meant defenders had time to deal with these slow build ups. Our football culture over many years has been to get the ball forward more quickly and hit the opposition with crosses from the wings, yesterday we looked like a team trying to play like Spain without the quality of players to do it.
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Post by jezzascfc on Jun 21, 2016 15:35:07 GMT
I am not Hodgson's biggest fan, but do people expect us to do much better? Really? We didn't lose a game and got through - which is about par for the course for us at the Euros. As soon as we play a half decent team, which looks like being France in the quarters, we will get knocked out.
As for marks for yesterday, he picked Sturridge and Vardy, which virtually everyone wanted, he tried to give Wilshere and Henderson game time (neither should have gone to France, in hindsight, but after picking them, he had to try to get them up to speed) and rest Rooney, Alli, Kane and the hard working full backs. Slovakia parked the bus - we couldn't break them down. It was Stoke v the bottom half of the Premier League all over again! The knockout stages may actually suit us a bit more as most teams will at least try to win - although some of the minnows may still sit it out and hope for penalties!
For me a 5 for yesterday - not a disaster.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jun 21, 2016 16:07:18 GMT
3 - because we didn't lose.
Hodgson is arrogant and thinks because he speaks a couple of languages and has worked abroad he's cleverer than the rest of us and looks to prove it by either being stubborn, springing "surprises" which don't work, or going against common perception just because he's the Boss and he can.
"Walker is undroppable" - so Roy drops him, because he can. "Wilshere is ring rusty and not match fit" - so Roy plays him in place of Rooney who has probably been one of our best players so far. "Kane's out of form and low on confidence" - who better to bring on when you're looking for a goal then? Certainly not the in form and confident Rashford.
There was no need to change the team and spoil the momentum - there wouldn't have been another game for six days - and didn't Leicester (and to a point Wales) show the benefit of sticking with a winning 11 - but Roy knows better.
Like fuck he does. Six changes was unecessary and to my mind cost us.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jun 21, 2016 16:57:29 GMT
I am not Hodgson's biggest fan, but do people expect us to do much better? Really? We didn't lose a game and got through - which is about par for the course for us at the Euros. As soon as we play a half decent team, which looks like being France in the quarters, we will get knocked out. As for marks for yesterday, he picked Sturridge and Vardy, which virtually everyone wanted, he tried to give Wilshere and Henderson game time (neither should have gone to France, in hindsight, but after picking them, he had to try to get them up to speed) and rest Rooney, Alli, Kane and the hard working full backs. Slovakia parked the bus - we couldn't break them down. It was Stoke v the bottom half of the Premier League all over again! The knockout stages may actually suit us a bit more as most teams will at least try to win - although some of the minnows may still sit it out and hope for penalties! For me a 5 for yesterday - not a disaster. I think people expected us to top a poor group Jezza. Don't think that's unreasonable.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jun 21, 2016 17:04:27 GMT
I agreed with Vardy and Sturridge starting. Vardy gives us an outlet and I'd start him again in the next round.
The mistake was playing Wilshere and Henderson. They were anonymous in midfield.
Having said that, we created quite a few decent opportunities. The keeper made a couple of good saves and some of their defenders made timely blocks.
6 out of 10.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jun 21, 2016 17:10:44 GMT
4, and that's being kind. It's staggering that we're three games into his second major tournament as England manager and he still has no clue on what his best team is. The fact that he started a player who hasn't completed 90 minutes of football for almost two seasons (Wilshere) is beyond belief. He shouldn't be anywhere near the squad, let alone the starting eleven. The same applies to Henderson, who's only redeeming quality is that he makes Wayne Rooney look like a world class midfielder.
Hodgson's post game comments, where he stated that we dominated the game, were laughable. We didn't dominate the game, we dominated possession against a team who had no interest in the ball. Slovakia's only interest was a clean sheet, and that's exactly what they got. We looked devoid of any drive or creativity in the midfield, and never looked like we had any idea on how to break down a bang average, second rate team. The only time we offered any threat whatsoever was through Clyne down the right side. In the previous games, it's been a similar story, with Kyle Walker looking like our only player capable of creating anything. Big problem. The first time we come up against anything resembling a quality side, we'll need those full back to actually defend, and we'll get slaughtered if they're charging forward to create an outlet. That's what wingers are for, but Woy doesn't seem to have selected any in his squad.
As an England fan, I'm happy that we've progressed out of the group stages but I've got very little faith that we'll stand any chance against decent opposition. The bloke is a complete fucking moron and he needs to go.
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Post by algor on Jun 21, 2016 17:30:00 GMT
4, and that's being kind. It's staggering that we're three games into his second major tournament as England manager and he still has no clue on what his best team is. The fact that he started a player who hasn't completed 90 minutes of football for almost two seasons (Wilshere) is beyond belief. He shouldn't be anywhere near the squad, let alone the starting eleven. The same applies to Henderson, who's only redeeming quality is that he makes Wayne Rooney look like a world class midfielder. Hodgson's post game comments, where he stated that we dominated the game, were laughable. We didn't dominate the game, we dominated possession against a team who had no interest in the ball. Slovakia's only interest was a clean sheet, and that's exactly what they got. We looked devoid of any drive or creativity in the midfield, and never looked like we had any idea on how to break down a bang average, second rate team. The only time we offered any threat whatsoever was through Clyne down the right side. In the previous games, it's been a similar story, with Kyle Walker looking like our only player capable of creating anything. Big problem. The first time we come up against anything resembling a quality side, we'll need those full back to actually defend, and we'll get slaughtered if they're charging forward to create an outlet. That's what wingers are for, but Woy doesn't seem to have selected any in his squad. As an England fan, I'm happy that we've progressed out of the group stages but I've got very little faith that we'll stand any chance against decent opposition. The bloke is a complete fucking moron and he needs to go. This is his 3rd major tournament.
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 21, 2016 17:31:27 GMT
Spain go with their strongest line up tonight despite 2 wins from 2.
Fuck off Hodgson.
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Post by jezzascfc on Jun 21, 2016 17:31:43 GMT
I am not Hodgson's biggest fan, but do people expect us to do much better? Really? We didn't lose a game and got through - which is about par for the course for us at the Euros. As soon as we play a half decent team, which looks like being France in the quarters, we will get knocked out. As for marks for yesterday, he picked Sturridge and Vardy, which virtually everyone wanted, he tried to give Wilshere and Henderson game time (neither should have gone to France, in hindsight, but after picking them, he had to try to get them up to speed) and rest Rooney, Alli, Kane and the hard working full backs. Slovakia parked the bus - we couldn't break them down. It was Stoke v the bottom half of the Premier League all over again! The knockout stages may actually suit us a bit more as most teams will at least try to win - although some of the minnows may still sit it out and hope for penalties! For me a 5 for yesterday - not a disaster. I think people expected us to top a poor group Jezza. Don't think that's unreasonable. But that is exactly my point, Rob. We place unrealistic expectations on England at tournaments simply not based on facts (a home win, a home close call and a rather fortunate run in 1990 notwithstanding). I expected us to get out of the group (which we did), but had no confidence we would not find a way to lose one game (which we didn't) or that we would top the group (which we did not). I expect us to sneak through the next round, where the draw looks like being pretty kind to us, and then lose to France. That is not defeatism, it is simply realism.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jun 21, 2016 17:33:52 GMT
I think people expected us to top a poor group Jezza. Don't think that's unreasonable. But that is exactly my point, Rob. We place unrealistic expectations on England at tournaments simply not based on facts (a home win, a home close call and a rather fortunate run in 1990 notwithstanding). I expected us to get out of the group (which we did), but had no confidence we would not find a way to lose one game (which we didn't) or that we would top the group (which we did not). I expect us to sneak through the next round, where the draw looks like being pretty kind to us, and then lose to France. That is not defeatism, it is simply realism. Why is it unrealistic to expect us to top a group containing Wales, Slovakia and a dreadful Russia team? It's unrealistic to expect us to win it or even reach the semis. It's not unreasonable to expect us to finish ahead of a bunch of no-marks.
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Post by milky on Jun 21, 2016 17:47:14 GMT
3
Thanks to his buffoonery even if we get through the next round we now face the prospect of meeting France in the last 8.
And let's be frank here it won't be good for the tournament if the hosts are eliminated in the quarters so however well we play by hook or crook we won't be getting any further.
Cheers Roy!
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jun 21, 2016 17:51:18 GMT
4, and that's being kind. It's staggering that we're three games into his second major tournament as England manager and he still has no clue on what his best team is. The fact that he started a player who hasn't completed 90 minutes of football for almost two seasons (Wilshere) is beyond belief. He shouldn't be anywhere near the squad, let alone the starting eleven. The same applies to Henderson, who's only redeeming quality is that he makes Wayne Rooney look like a world class midfielder. Hodgson's post game comments, where he stated that we dominated the game, were laughable. We didn't dominate the game, we dominated possession against a team who had no interest in the ball. Slovakia's only interest was a clean sheet, and that's exactly what they got. We looked devoid of any drive or creativity in the midfield, and never looked like we had any idea on how to break down a bang average, second rate team. The only time we offered any threat whatsoever was through Clyne down the right side. In the previous games, it's been a similar story, with Kyle Walker looking like our only player capable of creating anything. Big problem. The first time we come up against anything resembling a quality side, we'll need those full back to actually defend, and we'll get slaughtered if they're charging forward to create an outlet. That's what wingers are for, but Woy doesn't seem to have selected any in his squad. As an England fan, I'm happy that we've progressed out of the group stages but I've got very little faith that we'll stand any chance against decent opposition. The bloke is a complete fucking moron and he needs to go. This is his 3rd major tournament. you're right, my bad. I'd completely forgotten he was in charge for Euro 2012, although to be fair, he only had a matter of weeks to prepare for that tournament. He's has over four years to prepare for this one, and still doesn't have a fucking clue what he's doing.
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Post by geoff321 on Jun 21, 2016 17:52:59 GMT
I think Hodgson getting us to the last 8 is an equivalent achievement as Mark Hughes getting Stoke to 9th in the PL.
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