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Post by chuffedstokie on May 17, 2016 18:31:48 GMT
79 Million quid it is then as our slice of the TV pie. Not a bad fighting fund, war chest or whatever to go shopping with, but where to start.
No shortage of opinions on the critical areas but let the bun fight commence. Or will it have started already in anticipation of said windfall.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 18:40:19 GMT
That £79 million put us in 12th place in the league !
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Post by stgstokie on May 17, 2016 18:43:07 GMT
what is our wage bill though?
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Post by scfcwebby on May 17, 2016 18:43:53 GMT
Thought it would be more than that ...
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Post by ryan4england on May 17, 2016 18:45:26 GMT
I might take up being a football agentvit can't be that fucking difficult and one deal you could retire
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Post by clarkeda on May 17, 2016 18:51:13 GMT
Barta
Mirellas
Redmond/Townsend or both.
Leroy Sane
Embolo
Would be a good start.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 17, 2016 18:54:07 GMT
what is our wage bill though? The wage bill won't be much less than the £79 million money from the TV companies. Our ability to spend on players is more likely to be closer to the other income we get from ticket sales, sponsorship (stadium and shirts and perimeter advertising) merchandising - say £20 million in all. Plus, of course, some of the increase in TV money next season which will be £20 million ish and, finally any money we get from the sale of players. On the debit side, our wage bill is almost certain to increase as the players we sign will (mostly) be on bigger wages than the players who leave. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 19:00:04 GMT
what is our wage bill though? The wage bill won't be much less than the £79 million money from the TV companies. Our ability to spend on players is more likely to be closer to the other income we get from ticket sales, sponsorship (stadium and shirts and perimeter advertising) merchandising - say £20 million in all. Plus, of course, some of the increase in TV money next season which will be £20 million ish and, finally any money we get from the sale of players. On the debit side, our wage bill is almost certain to increase as the players we sign will (mostly) be on bigger wages than the players who leave. Absolutely LP we are still "small" commercially that £79 mill will not go far, we needed the extra seats thats for sure but we need to grow to truly make a move. |
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Post by Mason_Stokie on May 17, 2016 19:07:57 GMT
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Post by apb1 on May 17, 2016 19:16:15 GMT
Income from TV next season about 35m more if we finish same place...room for a bit of transfer action
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Post by chinesedave on May 18, 2016 9:41:25 GMT
Being in the prem is worth c£190M for us. Don't know the exact make up of this though.
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Post by luke2u on May 18, 2016 9:45:14 GMT
It's talked about much higher payments, so where is the other numbers Is the rest the same for each club directly from the Premier League?
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Post by WhyDelilah on May 18, 2016 9:55:20 GMT
It's talked about much higher payments, so where is the other numbers Is the rest the same for each club directly from the Premier League? The club must make approx 15 to 20 million from league gate receipts. That will be boosted by cup runs. Then you've got match day revenue (food, drink, programme etc). That must be another 5 million a year. Then you've got merchandise, mainly shirt sales. God knows what that figure is. Maybe another 5 million? Then you've got all the sponsors. Again, not a clue what that figure is but it will run into the millions. Shirt sponsor alone is a couple of million a year. |
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Post by rorymscfc on May 18, 2016 10:20:14 GMT
From next season we get £3m a year from macron and also the new stadium naming rights kick in.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 18, 2016 10:45:33 GMT
Being in the prem is worth c£190M for us. Don't know the exact make up of this though. If that is supposed to be an annual figure it is wrong. Our total income (including ticket sales, merchandising and sponsorship) last season was in the order of £100 million and even if we improve our placing by a few places next season the bigger TV deal would take us to about £130 million. Add on up to £10 million more for improved sponsorship and merchandising and you get a figure of about £140 million and I would bet any money that will be our income for the current financial year + or - £10 million - not including, of course, any profits on sales of players. |
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Post by cousindupree on May 18, 2016 10:52:08 GMT
Being in the prem is worth c£190M for us. Don't know the exact make up of this though. If that is supposed to be an annual figure it is wrong. Our total income (including ticket sales, merchandising and sponsorship) last season was in the order of £100 million and even if we improve our placing by a few places next season the bigger TV deal would take us to about £130 million. Add on up to £10 million more for improved sponsorship and merchandising and you get a figure of about £140 million and I would bet any money that will be our income for the current financial year + or - £10 million - not including, of course, any profits on sales of players. Fornie any idea if we are still paying down the Bet 365 loans or are we self sufficient yet? If not then I guess Bet 365 will want to take some of that revenue. The wage bill is such that its hugely important that we generate as much income as we can from commercial activity, sadly something we are very poor at doing. |
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Post by thebet365 on May 18, 2016 11:05:34 GMT
Being in the prem is worth c£190M for us. Don't know the exact make up of this though. If that is supposed to be an annual figure it is wrong. Our total income (including ticket sales, merchandising and sponsorship) last season was in the order of £100 million and even if we improve our placing by a few places next season the bigger TV deal would take us to about £130 million. Add on up to £10 million more for improved sponsorship and merchandising and you get a figure of about £140 million and I would bet any money that will be our income for the current financial year + or - £10 million - not including, of course, any profits on sales of players. He's using the figure used by the papers to sensationalise their story. What they do is work out the minimum a team will get for coming bottom, plus future years parachute payments for going down and then say, getting into the Prem is worth 190 Million guaranteed. Completely ignores the wage bill a club is usually lumbered with. Just makes a good headline |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 18, 2016 11:06:57 GMT
If that is supposed to be an annual figure it is wrong. Our total income (including ticket sales, merchandising and sponsorship) last season was in the order of £100 million and even if we improve our placing by a few places next season the bigger TV deal would take us to about £130 million. Add on up to £10 million more for improved sponsorship and merchandising and you get a figure of about £140 million and I would bet any money that will be our income for the current financial year + or - £10 million - not including, of course, any profits on sales of players. Fornie any idea if we are still paying down the Bet 365 loans or are we self sufficient yet? If not then I guess Bet 365 will want to take some of that revenue. The wage bill is such that its hugely important that we generate as much income as we can from commercial activity, sadly something we are very poor at doing. As far as I know we are close to or at self sufficiency at the moment - but that takes into account that the directors' loans are interest free at present. I'm sure you are right that Bet 365 would like the club to pay down some of the loans but this doesn't seem to be an over riding factor - they seem content to let the loans lie on the books for a while yet. I think we are entering into a period of uncertainty this season. On the one hand TV income could rise by up to £30 million. On the other hand we have no idea how this will affect player prices or wages. I think it is safe to say both will rise - but who knows by how much. You are right about our non TV income - it is far too low compared to many other clubs in the division. On the one hand we can boast we have one of the cheapest season ticket prices - on the other hand several similar capacity grounds are producing several £million pounds extra in ticket sales.  Improved Sponsorship, advertising and merchandising deals are vital if we are to compete. I can understand that London clubs will always have an advantage in this respect but clubs like Everton and Newcastle also do better and we must find a way to compete. It will be interesting to see Leicester's figures for commercial activity and how it rises on account of them winning the league - they should be an attractive option to sponsors and advertisers for next season - how much will their accounts show the benefit? |
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Post by thebet365 on May 18, 2016 11:13:44 GMT
Interesting article If that is true figures then something a lot of people that wanted extra players in January didn't realise is that because we were over 60 Million Wages the previous season we could only increase that by 4 Million plus any player trading profits & Extra Other income. Now we had no new sponsor deals this season so the near 12 Mill increase must have taken us to a ceiling under FFP rules. Maybe we had to let MVG go not only to free up a squad place but to give enough room in the wage budget for Imbula leaving nothing else to spend ? |
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Post by cousindupree on May 18, 2016 11:15:32 GMT
Cheers Fornie I am over in the UK next week for a trip down to Devon to see friends ( I used to live in Tavistock) as I pass Plympton I will send your regards  , by the way do you miss glorious Devon at all? |
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Post by salopstick on May 18, 2016 11:15:57 GMT
Apparently promotion means Middlesbrough break into the worlds top 40 richest clubs
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Post by chinesedave on May 18, 2016 11:27:35 GMT
I like to say £190m so it grates with my Forest and Wolves supporting pals
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Post by stokiejoe on May 18, 2016 12:10:12 GMT
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 18, 2016 12:17:17 GMT
Cheers Fornie I am over in the UK next week for a trip down to Devon to see friends ( I used to live in Tavistock) as I pass Plympton I will send your regards , by the way do you miss glorious Devon at all?Yes, sometimes. I like Devon and Cornwall and I certainly enjoyed living and working in the South West - especially as, being a Customs Officer, I used to be paid to spend a lot of my time in places like: Dartmouth, Fowey, Penzance, The Isles of Scilly, Teignmouth and Barnstaple.  There are plenty of worse places to live and work! I still have friends down there (some of whom I still ski with once a year) and I get to visit them a couple of times most years and, of course, they get free holidays in the Lake District in return. |
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Post by switch on May 18, 2016 14:03:24 GMT
Barta Mirellas Redmond/Townsend or both. Leroy Sane Embolo Would be a good start. Leroy Sane and Breel Embolo  We aren't fucking Bayern Munich! To be honest, Bartra is a bit ambitious too as any of the top 5 could use him. |
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Post by no1972 on May 18, 2016 18:27:29 GMT
All the money we get will not make much difference ,because it will all be taken up with bigger contracts,agents,players fees.So for example if we spend 90% of our income it dose not matter what money comes in.
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Post by chuffedstokie on May 18, 2016 19:53:29 GMT
Fornie any idea if we are still paying down the Bet 365 loans or are we self sufficient yet? If not then I guess Bet 365 will want to take some of that revenue. The wage bill is such that its hugely important that we generate as much income as we can from commercial activity, sadly something we are very poor at doing. As far as I know we are close to or at self sufficiency at the moment - but that takes into account that the directors' loans are interest free at present. I'm sure you are right that Bet 365 would like the club to pay down some of the loans but this doesn't seem to be an over riding factor - they seem content to let the loans lie on the books for a while yet. I think we are entering into a period of uncertainty this season. On the one hand TV income could rise by up to £30 million. On the other hand we have no idea how this will affect player prices or wages. I think it is safe to say both will rise - but who knows by how much. You are right about our non TV income - it is far too low compared to many other clubs in the division. On the one hand we can boast we have one of the cheapest season ticket prices - on the other hand several similar capacity grounds are producing several £million pounds extra in ticket sales. Improved Sponsorship, advertising and merchandising deals are vital if we are to compete. I can understand that London clubs will always have an advantage in this respect but clubs like Everton and Newcastle also do better and we must find a way to compete. It will be interesting to see Leicester's figures for commercial activity and how it rises on account of them winning the league - they should be an attractive option to sponsors and advertisers for next season - how much will their accounts show the benefit? When it comes to other revenue streams, apart from us using the STOKE brand as a selling point is there scope for 'glamourising' if that's the right term, certain aspects of club heritage. Sir Stan, Banks, etc allied to a Quality status. Historic aspects linked to stability. I'm no marketing guru but is there something, anything, to tap into that would attract potential suitors outside of the current sponsors. London prices we ain't but heart of the Midlands.?. |
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Post by RichJonesy on May 19, 2016 14:37:58 GMT
Barta Mirellas Redmond/Townsend or both. Leroy Sane Embolo Would be a good start. Would be great start unfortunately I think we only stand a chance for Townsend and Redmond |
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, by the way do you miss glorious Devon at all?
There are plenty of worse places to live and work!
