jamerg
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Post by jamerg on May 11, 2016 13:49:43 GMT
------------- Hart -------------
Walker - Smalling - Cahill - Rose
--------- Dier -- Henderson------
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--- Sturridge - Kane - Vardy ----
Bench: Forster Clyne Milner Barkley Sterling Lallana Rooney
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 11, 2016 13:59:06 GMT
I'm quietly optimistic about us having a decent tournament, but a bigger worry than the centre halves is Hodgson's determination to squeeze Rooney in there somewhere. He looks a completely spent force and there's at least two better options in every position he might play. I disagree he's a spent force. But he does have something to offer. Not a starter but overall he'd be a good chap to have around. Can you think of a situation on the pitch where he'd be an asset Joe? Club and country look better without him. Do we really have a place in the squad for a figurehead there to boost morale and provide experience and nothing more?
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 11, 2016 13:59:31 GMT
------------- Hart ------------- Walker - Smalling - Cahill - Rose --------- Dier -- Henderson------ -------------- Alli ------------- --- Sturridge - Kane - Vardy ---- Bench: Forster Clyne Milner Barkley Sterling Lallana Rooney What does Henderson do exactly? What is he for?
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jamerg
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Post by jamerg on May 11, 2016 14:05:14 GMT
------------- Hart ------------- Walker - Smalling - Cahill - Rose --------- Dier -- Henderson------ -------------- Alli ------------- --- Sturridge - Kane - Vardy ---- Bench: Forster Clyne Milner Barkley Sterling Lallana Rooney What does Henderson do exactly? What is he for? Defensive stability and legs. Only genuine box-to-box type we have isn't he? I know he's not a world beater, and I nearly put Milner there instead, but I think that if you're going to play my front 5 with the weaknesses we have in defence it'll need more than just Dier covering to avoid us getting carved open.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 11, 2016 14:08:12 GMT
Think I'd go:
----------Hart-------- Clyne-Smalling-Cahill-Rose ---------Dier--------- ------Alli-Milner------ -------Rooney------- ------Vardy Kane------
Not perfect as ideally I wouldn't have Rooney starting - but Woy will.
The identity of midfielder alongside the Spurs kiddies will be interesting if we go this route.
Could be Henderson, Wilshere, Drinkwater or Milner.
I think I may go for Milner, but fear Woy will go for Wilshere
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Post by JoeinOz on May 11, 2016 14:08:36 GMT
I disagree he's a spent force. But he does have something to offer. Not a starter but overall he'd be a good chap to have around. Can you think of a situation on the pitch where he'd be an asset Joe? Club and country look better without him. Do we really have a place in the squad for a figurehead there to boost morale and provide experience and nothing more? Yep. Rooney handles pressure well. So many of England's possibilities unravel at crunchtime. It's TCUP...thinking correctly under pressure. Wayne deals with those situations well. Now I've said that you know he'll miss a penno!
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 11, 2016 14:13:33 GMT
Can you think of a situation on the pitch where he'd be an asset Joe? Club and country look better without him. Do we really have a place in the squad for a figurehead there to boost morale and provide experience and nothing more? Yep. Rooney handles pressure well. So many of England's possibilities unravel at crunchtime. It's TCUP...thinking correctly under pressure. Wayne deals with those situations well. Now I've said that you know he'll miss a penno! Does he though? He has scored twice in his last three major tournaments, and that was when he absolutely was the main man. He managed to get himself sent off like a dick in one World Cup quarter final and then again to miss the first two games of Euro 2012. Is that handling pressure well? When was the last time he delivered in a big game?
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 11, 2016 14:14:07 GMT
Think I'd go: ----------Hart-------- Clyne-Smalling-Cahill-Rose ---------Dier--------- ------Alli-Milner------ -------Rooney------- ------Vardy Kane------ Not perfect as ideally I wouldn't have Rooney starting - but Woy will. The identity of midfielder alongside the Spurs kiddies will be interesting if we go this route. Could be Henderson, Wilshere, Drinkwater or Milner. I think I may go for Milner, but fear Woy will go for Wilshere If Wilshere's fit he'd be mad not to Grapey.
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 11, 2016 14:15:09 GMT
What does Henderson do exactly? What is he for? Defensive stability and legs. Only genuine box-to-box type we have isn't he? I know he's not a world beater, and I nearly put Milner there instead, but I think that if you're going to play my front 5 with the weaknesses we have in defence it'll need more than just Dier covering to avoid us getting carved open. I just don't think he influences games at all - or is particularly good defensively. He's just the most meh player, I'd have Wilshere, Drinkwater or Milner there over him.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 11, 2016 14:16:14 GMT
Yep. Rooney handles pressure well. So many of England's possibilities unravel at crunchtime. It's TCUP...thinking correctly under pressure. Wayne deals with those situations well. Now I've said that you know he'll miss a penno! Does he though? He has scored twice in his last three major tournaments, and that was when he absolutely was the main man. He managed to get himself sent off like a dick in one World Cup quarter final and then again to miss the first two games of Euro 2012. Is that handling pressure well? When was the last time he delivered in a big game? I have confidence he is now a stabling influence.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 11, 2016 14:17:30 GMT
Think I'd go: ----------Hart-------- Clyne-Smalling-Cahill-Rose ---------Dier--------- ------Alli-Milner------ -------Rooney------- ------Vardy Kane------ Not perfect as ideally I wouldn't have Rooney starting - but Woy will. The identity of midfielder alongside the Spurs kiddies will be interesting if we go this route. Could be Henderson, Wilshere, Drinkwater or Milner. I think I may go for Milner, but fear Woy will go for Wilshere If Wilshere's fit he'd be mad not to Grapey. Suppose you're right, Rob. Just have a really difficult time getting over the fact he's a massive arsehole! And with the fact he hasn't played for a year just seems a risk we don't need to take. We always seem to make the same mistake.
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Post by jezzascfc on May 11, 2016 14:22:40 GMT
Rooney should go, but not start. Cahill to captain the team for me. I'd not have Henderson in my squad, let alone the starting XI.
As for being cagey, it is not our style. Try to "outspain" Spain and we will fail. We could beat them by knocking them out of their stride and attacking them at pace though. Look at the Germany friendly!
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Post by JoeinOz on May 11, 2016 14:24:42 GMT
Rooney should go, but not start. Cahill to captain the team for me. I'd not have Henderson in my squad, let alone the starting XI. As for being cagey, it is not our style. Try to "outspain" Spain and we will fail. We could beat them by knocking them out of their stride and attacking them at pace though. Look at the Germany friendly! Are you going France??
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Post by jezzascfc on May 11, 2016 14:39:15 GMT
Rooney should go, but not start. Cahill to captain the team for me. I'd not have Henderson in my squad, let alone the starting XI. As for being cagey, it is not our style. Try to "outspain" Spain and we will fail. We could beat them by knocking them out of their stride and attacking them at pace though. Look at the Germany friendly! Are you going France?? No time off work to spare and it costs the best part of a grand just to get back to the UK, let alone to France, from here! I may be tempted to go to some of Stoke's US friendlies, depending on the dates - easier and cheaper to get to the US. Following Engerlund abroad is like the dark days of the 80s, herded like cattle, outbreaks of booze-fueled violence: not for me.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 11, 2016 15:19:46 GMT
Welbeck confirmed to be out for 9 months. Ouch. Got to feel for him - one of the few remotely likeable Arsenal players
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Post by harryburrows on May 11, 2016 15:33:22 GMT
Rooney should go, but not start. Cahill to captain the team for me. I'd not have Henderson in my squad, let alone the starting XI. As for being cagey, it is not our style. Try to "outspain" Spain and we will fail. We could beat them by knocking them out of their stride and attacking them at pace though. Look at the Germany friendly! You mean to Leicesterise them in other words
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Post by ruts66 on May 11, 2016 15:51:43 GMT
For me it's hard to see beyond Germany winning this tournament.
Some good young lads coming onto the scene alongside the likes of Muller, Reus, Gotze, Kroos, Hummels, Neuer, etc.
And, because they always perform in the big competitions.
Looking forward to it in general, just hope the jihaditwats don't ruin things...
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Post by BuzzB on May 11, 2016 15:51:54 GMT
Welbeck confirmed to be out for 9 months. Ouch. Got to feel for him - one of the few remotely likeable Arsenal players Huge blow for England, fuck Arsenal. I like him, always capable of getting a goal.
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Post by nonameface on May 11, 2016 15:59:42 GMT
Welbeck confirmed to be out for 9 months. Ouch. Got to feel for him - one of the few remotely likeable Arsenal players Huge blow for England, fuck Arsenal. I like him, always capable of getting a goal. Massive loss for us, great pace, stamina, strength and can play out wide in a front 3. Gutted for him, England but not Arsenal.
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Post by ohbottom on May 11, 2016 17:55:45 GMT
At some point over the coming weeks I will no doubt express opinions on this thread. I'm not exactly sure what they are yet, but rest assured that when I do, I will of course be completely right.
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Post by superheroantonius on May 11, 2016 18:04:38 GMT
It's game of opinions and mine is have defoe on the bench to come on for extra time to knick a goal against tired defenders.. Or score from the penalty spot during the shoot out :-)
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 11, 2016 18:22:22 GMT
I have to say I've been pretty impressed with Rooney playing in the deeper role for ManU over the last few games.
Some of his passing from deep has been excellent and he's put a shift in off the ball too.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 18:28:49 GMT
------------- Hart ------------- Walker - Smalling - Cahill - Rose --------- Dier -- Henderson------ -------------- Alli ------------- --- Sturridge - Kane - Vardy ---- Bench: Forster Clyne Milner Barkley Sterling Lallana Rooney Defence aside (which is possibly the worst in our history, certainly in my lifetime) that's a good team on paper, but all 3 of the strikers you selected are better on their own up top though so I'm not sure playing all 3 together would work.
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Post by WhyDelilah on May 11, 2016 18:29:58 GMT
Think I'd go: ----------Hart-------- Clyne-Smalling-Cahill-Rose ---------Dier--------- ------Alli-Milner------ -------Rooney------- ------Vardy Kane------ Not perfect as ideally I wouldn't have Rooney starting - but Woy will. The identity of midfielder alongside the Spurs kiddies will be interesting if we go this route. Could be Henderson, Wilshere, Drinkwater or Milner. I think I may go for Milner, but fear Woy will go for Wilshere I could live with that mate.
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Post by cheadlepotter on May 11, 2016 18:33:24 GMT
Hart, Forster, Heaton, Smalling, Cahill, Stones, Jagielka, Clyne, Walker, Rose, Bertrand, Henderson, Milner, Dier, Lallana, Barkley, Alli, Sterling, Walcott, Rooney, Kane, Sturridge, Vardy
I can't see the squad being too different from this. Maybe swap Bertrand for Wilshire (if fit) and add more options further up the field as one poster has already alluded to.
There's a good team in there somewhere, if Hodgson picks the best team in their best positions. I worry that he'll be playing Rooney instead of Alli and somehow put Lallana on the wing, however.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 18:39:34 GMT
I have to say I've been pretty impressed with Rooney playing in the deeper role for ManU over the last few games. Some of his passing from deep has been excellent and he's put a shift in off the ball too. I have as well and if it's a toss up between playing him in midfield or Henderson and Milne then it's Rooney every time for me.
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Post by Olgrligm on May 11, 2016 18:49:50 GMT
Think I'd go: ----------Hart-------- Clyne-Smalling-Cahill-Rose ---------Dier--------- ------Alli-Milner------ -------Rooney------- ------Vardy Kane------ Not perfect as ideally I wouldn't have Rooney starting - but Woy will. The identity of midfielder alongside the Spurs kiddies will be interesting if we go this route. Could be Henderson, Wilshere, Drinkwater or Milner. I think I may go for Milner, but fear Woy will go for Wilshere If Wilshere's fit he'd be mad not to Grapey. What's Wilshere done to make him a must take player? He's not played for months and he's not really any good when he's fit. I'd hope that England have moved past his ilk.
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 11, 2016 18:53:19 GMT
If Wilshere's fit he'd be mad not to Grapey. What's Wilshere done to make him a must take player? He's not played for months and he's not really any good when he's fit. I'd hope that England have moved past his ilk. He's a complete prick but when fit he's England's best option in that position. He played well when he came in the other day and if the alternatives are Henderson, Milner or Rooney it's a complete no brainer for me.
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Post by jezzascfc on May 11, 2016 19:00:36 GMT
What's Wilshere done to make him a must take player? He's not played for months and he's not really any good when he's fit. I'd hope that England have moved past his ilk. He's a complete prick but when fit he's England's best option in that position. He played well when he came in the other day and if the alternatives are Henderson, Milner or Rooney it's a complete no brainer for me. Too many people struggle to get past the fact that Wilshere is an obnoxious little scrote - fit and on form he is a shoe-in for an England central midfield spot. That may say as much about the quality of the competition (or lack thereof) for places in there as about how good he really is, though. He'd be in there ahead of Milner, Henderson, Drinkwater, Carrick (at this age, not 5 years ago) and Delph every single time for me. Thank God Dier and Alli have broken through this season!
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on May 11, 2016 19:01:46 GMT
Hart Clyne Smalling Cahill Rose Dier Wilshere Alli Vardy Kane Sterling That's quite a fun little team. Drinkwater must be gutted if he gets chopped. Would be great cover for Dier or someone to bring on to sure it up.
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